Thread: Australian has abandoned me: Assange

Originally Posted by dobella

he is a f*cking egoist and all of you who support him support anarchy.

If you think that this is a one man operation, you are dead wrong. And, calling for an open gov't goes against the tenets of anarchy, which are no gov't, period.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by dobella

I am all for freedom of speach but not at any cost, diplomats have a right to privacy as do you and i in our work place.
Anyone who believes everything should be free to view/hear is extremely naive in this modern world.

And you believe that the government has the right to lie to its electorate as well I presume?

Absolutely not, but let's balance this up.
If you believe all dipomatic thinking should be out in the open then World War 3 would insue.
Do YOU tell your co-worker all your honest feelings for him/her, be honest and i think not.
These leaks are not harmless, they identify weakspots, very attackable in the free world.
Free speach fine but not at any cost.

Originally Posted by dobella

In my local supermarket in Leicester, England this week they were selling the newspaper 'Muslim News'.
Big banner headline read 'WIKILEAKS - READ IT ALL HERE'.
Al Queada, Leicester brigade will mobilise into full drive no doubt.
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I hate to be the one to tell you this. But the news about Wikileaks and their revelations isn't only in the "Muslim News" at your local supermarket.

Are you suggesting that Muslim news outlets should be prevented from reporting the world news?

Originally Posted by dobella

These leaks are not harmless, they identify weakspots, very attackable in the free world.
Free speach fine but not at any cost.

Mate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.

This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

What chopper massacre ? is it the one where a couple of alleged independent truth-seeking journalists got blasted while they where trying to get footage at an ambush set up by terrorists armed with rocket-launchers and kalashnikovs.

There ya go Larv.

Here is a link to some stills from same video, but the unedited version Panda!!, the real video is 38 min long, and it is quite disingenuous by the press and others just showing bits of it.


The 2007 airstrike video

Gillard facing revolts over Australia's treatment of WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange

Melbourne, Dec 11 : Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard is facing a revolt from several MPs in her left-wing parliamentary faction, who are enraged at the treatment of Julian Assange, founder of the whistleblower website 'Wikileaks' that is releasing over 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables.

According to the Australian, a large number of MPs have expressed grave concerns at the language the Prime Minister and ministers are using in relation to Assange.

Laurie Ferguson, an Australian Labor Party member, said that the government had overreacted to the WikiLeaks release of secret U.S. documents.

He said the information that had been released was crucial to democracy and exposing the truth.

"It hasn't been borne out that people have been endangered by this information," Ferguson said.

"On the other side of the ledger, I think it is important that the world is informed on how intense the Saudis are about Iran's nuclear program and, for instance, that some members of the federal Labor Party caucus are so heavily engaged in briefing another nation," he added.

Fremantle Labor MP Melissa Parke said that the Swedish rape charges against Assange were unusual and that he should not be treated as a criminal.

"I am concerned about the statements in the U.S. that Julian Assange or his family should be subjected to physical violence, and I strongly condemn them," Parke said.

"The charges from Sweden sound highly unusual on the basis of the information available, and I expect the British courts to take a long hard look at that before any decision on extradition is made."

"As to the actions of WikiLeaks and whether they have broken any laws, the fact is we don't know. I think it is therefore wrong for anyone to suggest Julian Assange is a criminal," she added.

newkerala.com

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Here is a link to some stills from same video, but the unedited version Panda!!, the real video is 38 min long, and it is quite disingenuous by the press and others just showing bits of it.


The 2007 airstrike video

Larv, I have watched the uncut video right through and read the blog on the site you posted. And it doesnt change my mind one bit about the ethical standards employed in that attack recorded on the vid.

The blog is extremely biased and full of unconfirmed opinion presented as fact.
I am actually surprised a man of your intelligence would be taken in by it.

Getting back to the video though. Watch the scenes and listen to the accompanying audio from the chopper crew. Its quite clear that the gunner was looking for any excuse to get permission to shoot. They saw the cameras as weapons such as AK47s and RPG launchers, which they clearly were not.
They claimed the people in the van were picking up bodies and weapons when they were only trying to evacuate a wounded man to medical aid, -- that is how they got permission to shoot again.

The audio is very incriminating for the chopper crew when veiwed in conjunction with the video. Pictures dont lie. Gunning down unarmed people with cannons from the safety of a helicopter is a despicable and cowardly act that should be prosecuted. The bravado and inhumane comments over their acts only makes the crime even worse.

Originally Posted by Mid

Gillard facing revolts over Australia's treatment of WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange

Melbourne, Dec 11 : Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard is facing a revolt from several MPs in her left-wing parliamentary faction, who are enraged at the treatment of Julian Assange, founder of the whistleblower website 'Wikileaks' that is releasing over 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables.

According to the Australian, a large number of MPs have expressed grave concerns at the language the Prime Minister and ministers are using in relation to Assange.

Laurie Ferguson, an Australian Labor Party member, said that the government had overreacted to the WikiLeaks release of secret U.S. documents.

He said the information that had been released was crucial to democracy and exposing the truth.

"It hasn't been borne out that people have been endangered by this information," Ferguson said.

"On the other side of the ledger, I think it is important that the world is informed on how intense the Saudis are about Iran's nuclear program and, for instance, that some members of the federal Labor Party caucus are so heavily engaged in briefing another nation," he added.

Fremantle Labor MP Melissa Parke said that the Swedish rape charges against Assange were unusual and that he should not be treated as a criminal.

"I am concerned about the statements in the U.S. that Julian Assange or his family should be subjected to physical violence, and I strongly condemn them," Parke said.

"The charges from Sweden sound highly unusual on the basis of the information available, and I expect the British courts to take a long hard look at that before any decision on extradition is made."

"As to the actions of WikiLeaks and whether they have broken any laws, the fact is we don't know. I think it is therefore wrong for anyone to suggest Julian Assange is a criminal," she added.

newkerala.com

Gillard picked a side. Unfortunately for her and everyone else concerned, she chose to side with the US government rather than her own people. She has abandoned her obligation to defend her countries citizens against foreign aggression on the flimsiest of pretexts. Even going so far as to overlook basic legal principles for her own political interests. And this woman is a lawyer. If anyone should be tried for treason and executed, it should be Gillard, not Assange.

Gillard is a kunt, you just have to see how she lied and treated her predecessor

how she got elected is a mystery, I guess the other side was far worst

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Gillard is a kunt, you just have to see how she lied and treated her predecessor

how she got elected is a mystery, I guess the other side was far worst

Gillard knifed Rudd, and Rud knifed Beasley to get the top job. Untrustworthy bastards the pair of them. But you are right, the other side is far worse as far as ethics and moral issues go.
I am thinking of not even voting in the next election till we get some better candidates for PM. Thank god we have Wikileaks to expose the lying pieces of shit for what they are.

Gillards unfounded and vicious attack on an Australian citizen and preference to support a foreign government will surely see her out on her arse at the next election, if not sooner, because her party is only clinging to power by the thinnest of margins with the help of a minor coalition partner. And Aussies dont like having an agent of the USA as our PM. Its only going to take a few votes to topple her and Gillard has lost a heck of a lot more support from her parties base than she can afford to by unjustly betraying a citizen of her country to a foreign power.

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by dobella

These leaks are not harmless, they identify weakspots, very attackable in the free world.
Free speach fine but not at any cost.

Mate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.

This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.

Panda,
I am caught in a quandary here, the theiving scheming liars who run as politicians in the UK should be exposed and some of them (not many) have been.
Great that this corruption has been taken to legal cause.
Assange, and his crew overstep the mark, certain things are out of limits with the data protection etc.
I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.

Originally Posted by dobella

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by dobella

These leaks are not harmless, they identify weakspots, very attackable in the free world.
Free speach fine but not at any cost.

Mate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.

This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.

Panda,
I am caught in a quandary here, the theiving scheming liars who run as politicians in the UK should be exposed and some of them (not many) have been.
Great that this corruption has been taken to legal cause.
Assange, and his crew overstep the mark, certain things are out of limits with the data protection etc.
I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.

I don't ask for sympathy/empathy from anyone, just stating my case against the shitty exposing of personal details.
How about YOUR phone number being released and who YOU vote for ?
Like the nutter in the Michael Douglas hit film FALLING DOWN said - ' Think about it'.

Originally Posted by dobella

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by dobella

These leaks are not harmless, they identify weakspots, very attackable in the free world.
Free speach fine but not at any cost.

Mate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.

This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.

Panda,
I am caught in a quandary here, the theiving scheming liars who run as politicians in the UK should be exposed and some of them (not many) have been.
Great that this corruption has been taken to legal cause.
Assange, and his crew overstep the mark, certain things are out of limits with the data protection etc.
I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.

I have to wonder how Wikileaks got hold of your name and address?
Was it through the secret US diplomatic cables or some other unrelated source?

Attack on WikiLeaks damages Australia
2010/12/10



Prime Minister Julia Gillard is risking long-term damage to the nation`s freedom of speech by accusing WikiLeaks of breaking the law

(AAP) The warning comes from human rights lawyer Stephen Keim after Ms Gillard condemned the leaking of 250,000 classified documents on the WikiLeaks website as "illegal" and "grossly irresponsible". Attorney-General Robert McCLelland has also promised to support any law enforcement measures taken against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

Mr Keim, president of Australian Lawyers for Human Rights, said accusations of criminal law breaches levelled at WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange undermine free speech principles.

"Although the Attorney-General is entitled to disagree with - even protest - the actions taken, it is a particularly objectionable misuse of political hyperbole in these circumstances to make sweeping allegations of illegality," Mr Keim said in a statement yesterday.

"It involves a degree of intimidation that is likely to (and appears intended to) deter others from engaging in serious political debate on the possibility that it may offend those who hold the machinery of power."

Mr Keim criticised the Australian government's defence of Swedish prosecutors and its lack of protest over "what may well be misuse of sexual assault allegations by Swedish prosecutors for political reasons".

Instead, he said, "the government should be insisting that prosecutorial actions taken against Australian citizens should meet the highest standards of probity and objectivity".

The human rights lawyer said the government should not even consider cancelling Assange's passport.

"It seems entirely inappropriate that statutory powers of such seriousness should be contemplated because a person has placed political material of an embarrassing nature into the public sphere," Mr Keim said.

"The government's resort to hyperbole and heavy-handed use of state power detracts from its political message," he said.

"If the government wishes to argue that it is better for the Australian public to be kept ignorant of secret war advocacy by some allies and potentially illegal espionage by others, it would be better to make that case directly."

mathaba.net

^"Mr Keim, president of Australian Lawyers for Human Rights, said accusations of criminal law breaches levelled at WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange undermine free speech principles."



"Mr. Keim came from relatively modest beginnings, one of 10 children of a schoolteacher father and stay-at-home mother. He first thought of becoming a doctor but he was interested in politics, and switched to law after a year at the University of Queensland."

By RAYMOND BONNER - New York Times
Published: January 26, 2008



Looks like the education system is working in Queensland.

Originally Posted by Mid

"Although the Attorney-General is entitled to disagree with - even protest - the actions taken, it is a particularly objectionable misuse of political hyperbole in these circumstances to make sweeping allegations of illegality,"

nicely put - though this could have been said last week

Originally Posted by Mid

"the government should be insisting that prosecutorial actions taken against Australian citizens should meet the highest standards of probity and objectivity".

well said

Originally Posted by Mid

"It seems entirely inappropriate that statutory powers of such seriousness should be contemplated because a person has placed political material of an embarrassing nature into the public sphere,"

though it did highlight exactly who the elected representatives of Australia serve

Originally Posted by OhOh

Looks like the education system is working in Queensland.

on one side you have Stephen Keim , Julian Assange etc

and on the other you have - me .

Australia, under the current accepted wisdom, needs the USA to stay safe. We like them too- and we're scared to upset them.
But it needs China to stay fat. Our largest export market, and still growing rapidly. We don't really like them so much- but we're scared to upset them.

The tensions will grow, of that you can be sure.

I doubt either China or the USA respects Australian politicians. I most certainly don't.

glad to see that the French are not alone to surrender to an evil power,

Australia, NZ, England etc... what a fucking joke !!!

dobella wrote.

I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.[/quote]

Isn't this what's known as "collateral damage" ?