If you think that this is a one man operation, you are dead wrong. And, calling for an open gov't goes against the tenets of anarchy, which are no gov't, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
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If you think that this is a one man operation, you are dead wrong. And, calling for an open gov't goes against the tenets of anarchy, which are no gov't, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
Absolutely not, but let's balance this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
If you believe all dipomatic thinking should be out in the open then World War 3 would insue.
Do YOU tell your co-worker all your honest feelings for him/her, be honest and i think not.
These leaks are not harmless, they identify weakspots, very attackable in the free world.
Free speach fine but not at any cost.
I hate to be the one to tell you this. But the news about Wikileaks and their revelations isn't only in the "Muslim News" at your local supermarket.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
Are you suggesting that Muslim news outlets should be prevented from reporting the world news?
Mate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.
There ya go Larv.Quote:
Originally Posted by larvidchr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qWA...eature=related
Here is a link to some stills from same video, but the unedited version Panda!!, the real video is 38 min long, and it is quite disingenuous by the press and others just showing bits of it.
The 2007 airstrike video
Gillard facing revolts over Australia's treatment of WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange
Melbourne, Dec 11 : Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard is facing a revolt from several MPs in her left-wing parliamentary faction, who are enraged at the treatment of Julian Assange, founder of the whistleblower website 'Wikileaks' that is releasing over 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables.
According to the Australian, a large number of MPs have expressed grave concerns at the language the Prime Minister and ministers are using in relation to Assange.
Laurie Ferguson, an Australian Labor Party member, said that the government had overreacted to the WikiLeaks release of secret U.S. documents.
He said the information that had been released was crucial to democracy and exposing the truth.
"It hasn't been borne out that people have been endangered by this information," Ferguson said.
"On the other side of the ledger, I think it is important that the world is informed on how intense the Saudis are about Iran's nuclear program and, for instance, that some members of the federal Labor Party caucus are so heavily engaged in briefing another nation," he added.
Fremantle Labor MP Melissa Parke said that the Swedish rape charges against Assange were unusual and that he should not be treated as a criminal.
"I am concerned about the statements in the U.S. that Julian Assange or his family should be subjected to physical violence, and I strongly condemn them," Parke said.
"The charges from Sweden sound highly unusual on the basis of the information available, and I expect the British courts to take a long hard look at that before any decision on extradition is made."
"As to the actions of WikiLeaks and whether they have broken any laws, the fact is we don't know. I think it is therefore wrong for anyone to suggest Julian Assange is a criminal," she added.
newkerala.com
Larv, I have watched the uncut video right through and read the blog on the site you posted. And it doesnt change my mind one bit about the ethical standards employed in that attack recorded on the vid.Quote:
Originally Posted by larvidchr
The blog is extremely biased and full of unconfirmed opinion presented as fact.
I am actually surprised a man of your intelligence would be taken in by it.
Getting back to the video though. Watch the scenes and listen to the accompanying audio from the chopper crew. Its quite clear that the gunner was looking for any excuse to get permission to shoot. They saw the cameras as weapons such as AK47s and RPG launchers, which they clearly were not.
They claimed the people in the van were picking up bodies and weapons when they were only trying to evacuate a wounded man to medical aid, -- that is how they got permission to shoot again.
The audio is very incriminating for the chopper crew when veiwed in conjunction with the video. Pictures dont lie. Gunning down unarmed people with cannons from the safety of a helicopter is a despicable and cowardly act that should be prosecuted. The bravado and inhumane comments over their acts only makes the crime even worse.
Gillard picked a side. Unfortunately for her and everyone else concerned, she chose to side with the US government rather than her own people. She has abandoned her obligation to defend her countries citizens against foreign aggression on the flimsiest of pretexts. Even going so far as to overlook basic legal principles for her own political interests. And this woman is a lawyer. If anyone should be tried for treason and executed, it should be Gillard, not Assange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Gillard is a kunt, you just have to see how she lied and treated her predecessor
how she got elected is a mystery, I guess the other side was far worst
Gillard knifed Rudd, and Rud knifed Beasley to get the top job. Untrustworthy bastards the pair of them. But you are right, the other side is far worse as far as ethics and moral issues go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
I am thinking of not even voting in the next election till we get some better candidates for PM. Thank god we have Wikileaks to expose the lying pieces of shit for what they are.
Gillards unfounded and vicious attack on an Australian citizen and preference to support a foreign government will surely see her out on her arse at the next election, if not sooner, because her party is only clinging to power by the thinnest of margins with the help of a minor coalition partner. And Aussies dont like having an agent of the USA as our PM. Its only going to take a few votes to topple her and Gillard has lost a heck of a lot more support from her parties base than she can afford to by unjustly betraying a citizen of her country to a foreign power.
Panda,Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaMate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.
I am caught in a quandary here, the theiving scheming liars who run as politicians in the UK should be exposed and some of them (not many) have been.
Great that this corruption has been taken to legal cause.
Assange, and his crew overstep the mark, certain things are out of limits with the data protection etc.
I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.
I don't ask for sympathy/empathy from anyone, just stating my case against the shitty exposing of personal details.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobellaPanda,Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaMate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.
I am caught in a quandary here, the theiving scheming liars who run as politicians in the UK should be exposed and some of them (not many) have been.
Great that this corruption has been taken to legal cause.
Assange, and his crew overstep the mark, certain things are out of limits with the data protection etc.
I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.
How about YOUR phone number being released and who YOU vote for ?
Like the nutter in the Michael Douglas hit film FALLING DOWN said - ' Think about it'.
So you agree with Wikileaks motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
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Originally Posted by dobella
Panda is not an elected official that should be held under scrutiny and accountability. But you as a member of the BNP would probably have no problem with people who are married to other non-whites being exposed as traitors to the British cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
It was mentioned by another poster on this board that the left wingers on this board would be against Wikileaks if they exposed corruption and mis-doings by left leaning groups and political organizations. That is so wrong, the truth should be exposed, no matter what side of the political spectrum it comes from. And I feel the left would be more open to that than the right would be.
I have to wonder how Wikileaks got hold of your name and address?Quote:
Originally Posted by dobellaPanda,Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaMate,-- terrorists specialize in identifying vulnerable targets. Its their job. They dont need Wikileaks to tell them where to hit. If you believe that shit you probably believe Saddam had WMDs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella
This whole effort to shut Assange up is over exposing our politicians as liars and spin artists deceiving the public rather than any real physical security risks.
I am caught in a quandary here, the theiving scheming liars who run as politicians in the UK should be exposed and some of them (not many) have been.
Great that this corruption has been taken to legal cause.
Assange, and his crew overstep the mark, certain things are out of limits with the data protection etc.
I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.
Was it through the secret US diplomatic cables or some other unrelated source?
Attack on WikiLeaks damages Australia
2010/12/10
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Prime Minister Julia Gillard is risking long-term damage to the nation`s freedom of speech by accusing WikiLeaks of breaking the law
(AAP) The warning comes from human rights lawyer Stephen Keim after Ms Gillard condemned the leaking of 250,000 classified documents on the WikiLeaks website as "illegal" and "grossly irresponsible". Attorney-General Robert McCLelland has also promised to support any law enforcement measures taken against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.
Mr Keim, president of Australian Lawyers for Human Rights, said accusations of criminal law breaches levelled at WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange undermine free speech principles.
"Although the Attorney-General is entitled to disagree with - even protest - the actions taken, it is a particularly objectionable misuse of political hyperbole in these circumstances to make sweeping allegations of illegality," Mr Keim said in a statement yesterday.
"It involves a degree of intimidation that is likely to (and appears intended to) deter others from engaging in serious political debate on the possibility that it may offend those who hold the machinery of power."
Mr Keim criticised the Australian government's defence of Swedish prosecutors and its lack of protest over "what may well be misuse of sexual assault allegations by Swedish prosecutors for political reasons".
Instead, he said, "the government should be insisting that prosecutorial actions taken against Australian citizens should meet the highest standards of probity and objectivity".
The human rights lawyer said the government should not even consider cancelling Assange's passport.
"It seems entirely inappropriate that statutory powers of such seriousness should be contemplated because a person has placed political material of an embarrassing nature into the public sphere," Mr Keim said.
"The government's resort to hyperbole and heavy-handed use of state power detracts from its political message," he said.
"If the government wishes to argue that it is better for the Australian public to be kept ignorant of secret war advocacy by some allies and potentially illegal espionage by others, it would be better to make that case directly."
mathaba.net
^"Mr Keim, president of Australian Lawyers for Human Rights, said accusations of criminal law breaches levelled at WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange undermine free speech principles."
"Mr. Keim came from relatively modest beginnings, one of 10 children of a schoolteacher father and stay-at-home mother. He first thought of becoming a doctor but he was interested in politics, and switched to law after a year at the University of Queensland."
By RAYMOND BONNER - New York Times
Published: January 26, 2008
:aus:
Looks like the education system is working in Queensland.
nicely put - though this could have been said last weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Mid
well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Mid
though it did highlight exactly who the elected representatives of Australia serveQuote:
Originally Posted by Mid
on one side you have Stephen Keim , Julian Assange etcQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
and on the other you have - me . :D
Apparently the NZ government has been collaborating again with the US government since Clinton's last visit there some time during the beginning of 2010 regarding sensitive intelligence.
These exchanges had stopped after NZ became a nuclear free zone 25 years ago.
Good on Wikileaks for exposing the government's hypocrisy.
Conservtards please forget above info immediately and continue life as a sheep.
:smileylaughing:
Australia, under the current accepted wisdom, needs the USA to stay safe. We like them too- and we're scared to upset them.
But it needs China to stay fat. Our largest export market, and still growing rapidly. We don't really like them so much- but we're scared to upset them.
The tensions will grow, of that you can be sure.
I doubt either China or the USA respects Australian politicians. I most certainly don't.
[quote=Panda;1626910]Maybe it was on a BNP admin's memory stick and he dropped it when he popped into a public lavatory to get his other stick massaged? BNP types with their fondness for uniforms and marching have a habit of signing up for a stint as fudge packers. Must be a latent desire for choclatey goodness and all that stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by dobella;1626822WIKILEAKS SUCK.[/quote
What i find unbelievable about this whole escapade it the obviousness of it. Assange is a Patsy for the establishment to take control over the net which has been discussed and planned for the last 4 years or so, but the right event was needed.
Info being released to government controlled media? Sure the internet which is the largest threat to these people, but mainstream media? They have done as much as possible to allow this info to be released!
I seem to remember another major event that brought many world policies. It seems Obama's kill switch might get its use yet.
Lot's have fallen for this shit to often.
glad to see that the French are not alone to surrender to an evil power,
Australia, NZ, England etc... what a fucking joke !!!
dobella wrote.
I am a member of the BNP in the UK, my personal choice of political persuasion.
My home adress, phone number and other personal details are now on wikileaks website for all to see, i get bombarded by left-wing activists with junkmail every day.
WIKILEAKS SUCK.[/quote]
Isn't this what's known as "collateral damage" ?