Bali Executions

**Exit Strategy** · 07-05-2015, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Koojo

All this outrage.
Where is the outrage at the U.S.
35 people executed last year.
10 this year already.
Where's the outrage, people?

They were rapists, granny rapists at that, granny murderers, they injected victims eyes with fake heroin (blinding them) - do I need to go on.

I want you personally think about the rights of the killers and of the victims. After some soul-searching I want you to post here again.

So where is the outrage. I see Applause.

**ltnt** · 07-05-2015, 07:29 AM

Stroller and Genticles quite a pair to draw to...know nothing and know everything couple. As posted and stated these drugs were not for the ex-pat community.

**Cujo** · 07-05-2015, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Koojo

All this outrage.
Where is the outrage at the U.S.
35 people executed last year.
10 this year already.
Where's the outrage, people?

They were rapists, granny rapists at that, granny murderers, they injected victims eyes with fake heroin (blinding them) - do I need to go on.

I want you personally think about the rights of the killers and of the victims. After some soul-searching I want you to post here again.

So where is the outrage. I see Applause.

What are you babbling about? Drunk posting is frowned upon here you know.

**HermantheGerman** · 07-05-2015, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Where do you think those drugs end up?

In this case, most of it would have ended up in the noses of Westerners in Bali, what did you think?

In this case ? Wow, your knowledge about foreigner snotholes is impressive

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Who cares in which nose the snow ends up in. It's effect on Indo society is undenyable. Or haven't you heard that "The effects of drug abuse are wide ranging and affect people of all ages".

But Bali is an ideal tourist gateway from South America to Asia, where drug traffickers can carry surfboard bags or sports equipment and blend in among the ever-increasing number of real tourists—2.9 million last year. But the expat and tourist markets in Bali are only part of the equation; the real cash comes as the cocaine makes its way further to Japan or Australia, where it maintains the highest price tags on the planet.
The cocaine trafficked to Bali by the western dealers like Renato is usually pure, coming directly from South America. Every border it crosses, it jumps in price. In the cocaine-producing countries of Peru, Colombia, and Bolivia it costs about $1,000 to $2,000 per kilogram. Across the border in Brazil it costs around $5,000, and by the time it reaches Bali it fetches anything from $20,000 to $90,000, depending on how much it is “snowing”—that is, how much coke is on the island. Recently, after a couple of big busts, the price briefly shot to around $300,000 per kilogram.

Read more at Snowfall in Bali

**Ronin** · 07-05-2015, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Who cares in which nose the snow ends up in. It's effect on Indo society is undenyable. Or haven't you heard that "The effects of drug abuse are wide ranging and affect people of all ages".

Haven't you heard about the Indonesians who smuggle drugs, commit rape and murder in other countries who Widodo seeks clemency for? Get real will you.

**Pragmatic** · 07-05-2015, 02:09 PM

Politicians have to be seen doing something. It gives them credit ratings. One has to be seen to be caring. Do you really believe Abbott give 2 fcuks about those about to be executed. Nah, and neither does 'Widodo' for Indo crooks in foreign jails, but he has to be seen to be doing something.

**Ronin** · 07-05-2015, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Politicians have to be seen doing something. It gives them credit ratings. One has to be seen to be caring. Do you really believe Abbott give 2 fcuks about those about to be executed. Nah, and neither does 'Widodo' for Indo crooks in foreign jails, but he has to be seen to be doing something.

Should be in the past tense. Don't know about Abbot but credit ratings is certainly the case with Widodo who was largely unpopular before he adopted his 'hard man' stance.

**Dillinger** · 07-05-2015, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Politicians have to be seen doing something. It gives them credit ratings. One has to be seen to be caring.

80 % of Indonesians favour the death penalty, so if you are saying he was caring for the electorate and himself, then Yes he's very 'caring'

**Pragmatic** · 07-05-2015, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dillinger

80 % of Indonesians favour the death penalty, so if you are saying he was caring for the electorate and himself, then Yes he's very 'caring'

80% hey. When it's one of your own kind in a foreign land we seem to look on things differently.

**Looper** · 07-05-2015, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Politicians have to be seen doing something. It gives them credit ratings. One has to be seen to be caring. Do you really believe Abbott give 2 fcuks about those about to be executed. Nah, and neither does 'Widodo' for Indo crooks in foreign jails, but he has to be seen to be doing something.

Should be in the past tense. Don't know about Abbot but credit ratings is certainly the case with Widodo who was largely unpopular before he adopted his 'hard man' stance.

I like Abbott in general but he displays a worryingly unreliable sense of judgement at times. What was that pantomime about with the ambassador? 90% of aussies could not give 2 flying fuks about those drug smuggling muppets. Abbott should have just given the whole gong show a wide berth.

**stroller** · 07-05-2015, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by ltnt

As posted and stated these drugs were not for the ex-pat community.

Please make up your mind: were they for "the general population", "upper end parties" or "other Muslim countries in this drug trafficking...Iran"?

**stroller** · 07-05-2015, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by stroller

Where do you think those drugs end up?

In this case, most of it would have ended up in the noses of Westerners in Bali, what did you think?

In this case ? Wow, your knowledge about foreigner snotholes is impressive

Thanks.
But really, it doesn't take a genius to figure that at $20-90k per kg Indo schoolchildren and labourers won't buy.

Who cares in which nose the snow ends up in.

The guy who asked the question, I would have thought?

Don't shoot me for answering it.

**HermantheGerman** · 08-05-2015, 02:38 AM

Stroller the Troller !

You haven't changed a bit, good to see you back.

Take another line....

**HermantheGerman** · 08-05-2015, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Who cares in which nose the snow ends up in. It's effect on Indo society is undenyable. Or haven't you heard that "The effects of drug abuse are wide ranging and affect people of all ages".

Haven't you heard about the Indonesians who smuggle drugs, commit rape and murder in other countries who Widodo seeks clemency for? Get real will you.

Please tell us for who exactly Widodo is seeking clemency for ? Could it be Indonesians used as mules by drug syndicates ? Or Indonesians who knew exactly what they where doing ?

**Ronin** · 08-05-2015, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Who cares in which nose the snow ends up in. It's effect on Indo society is undenyable. Or haven't you heard that "The effects of drug abuse are wide ranging and affect people of all ages".

Haven't you heard about the Indonesians who smuggle drugs, commit rape and murder in other countries who Widodo seeks clemency for? Get real will you.

Please tell us for who exactly Widodo is seeking clemency for ? Could it be Indonesians used as mules by drug syndicates ? Or Indonesians who knew exactly what they where doing ?

Obviously you don't read the news and have no idea how to use google - do your own research! I am not going to nurse-maid you.

**HermantheGerman** · 08-05-2015, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ronin

Obviously you don't read the news and have no idea how to use google - do your own research! I am not going to nurse-maid you.

Imagine every poster says Google it yourself.

Forum -a situation or meeting in which people can talk about a problem or matter especially of public interest.

World News The forum for posting news events from all over the world, ie America, Australia, Africa, Europe and any where else that isn't in Asia.
Robust discussion is allowed, but posters should stay on topic and refrain from personal attacks.

**Ronin** · 08-05-2015, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Imagine every poster says Google it yourself.

Wouldn't have taken very long if you actually bothered There is plenty of information there. No need to quote the forum rules at me, I can read cry-baby.

**stroller** · 08-05-2015, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Stroller the Troller !

You haven't changed a bit, good to see you back.

Take another line....

Robust discussion is allowed, but posters should stay on topic and refrain from personal attacks.

**stroller** · 09-05-2015, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Who cares in which nose the snow ends up in. It's effect on Indo society is undenyable. Or haven't you heard that "The effects of drug abuse are wide ranging and affect people of all ages".

It is relevant for this discussion.
If the coke was meant to be shipped to Iran or the M.E., as someone suggested, then it can't be true that the entire population of Indo are victims of this smuggling crime and are somehow 'avenged' by the execution, as you have claimed earlier.

These general arguments about victims and revenge through death are pretty inaccurate and weak when one looks into it.

**hazz** · 09-05-2015, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Looper

I like Abbott in general but he displays a worryingly unreliable sense of judgement at times. What was that pantomime about with the ambassador? 90% of aussies could not give 2 flying fuks about those drug smuggling muppets. Abbott should have just given the whole gong show a wide berth.

You know when people take about 'lies, damed lies and statistics', they are not really talking about statitics.... rather about people like yourself who lie to themselves and and everyone else dressing up their lie as a statistic in attempt give it some credibility.

Why not be honest and say 'I have no idea how many Australian's don't give a fuck about these two muppets, but I want to believe its almost all of them and that's all the evidence i need'.

Unsurprisingly there some who do like reality based evidence, who ahve bothered to go otu and find out what australian people actually think.... and if you have any interest in evidence based truth, over faith based truth, you would have no problem finding out.... and then you would not have found yourself telling little fibs.

rather like the statistics the indoneasian government likes to quote when they claim to have a drugs emergency. There only response to queries regarding their claims and the evidence that backups them up has been to revise them downwards.

Which does rather suggest that their claim that indoneasia is facing a drugs emergency is as reaility based as your claim about 90% of australians. Both effectively lies... being used to justify the kills. unfortunatly the indoneasian president.... rather like Governor bush of texus, has no problems killing people on the justification of those lies for his own political gain.

Google is your friend, 50% of the European heroin trade is supplied by ISIS.
So why don't you tell us who supplied the dupe in this case, and who paid for the Bali and other terror attacks.

And here we have another example. care to find the envidenary bases of that 50% claim.... I mean collecting reliable figures would be rather hard given the nature of the trade. What would be more accurate to say is that the trafficking route Afrganistan, turkey, europe is one of the primary routes by which heroin is trafficed europe... always has been, geography dear boy. But to claim that ISIS is supplying heroin to europe is only as true as saying that iran, turkey and bulgaria are supplying the same heroin to europe as well.

But yes, ISIS will no doubt happy aid traffickers sending heroin to the west for a tax, but its hardly the primary source of inform for ISIS which is oil, directly from wells they control and also from donations from wealthy individuals in the ME who inevitably gained their wealth from ME oil sales to the world. Mony that fuels teh saudi propaganda machine the propigaes the version of islam that enspires modern islamic terrorism.

And given the geography of the world, one would wonder why the barli nine would source heroin smuggled past turkey funding terrorism when the nearist source would be SEA. Which is not used to finace the kind of terrorism we are suppose to loose sleep over.

As I said, the only terroism the bali none were likly to be funding would be though the cars the bought. though the random killings that motorists inflict and though the oil those cars burn.

As justfication for killing them is piss poor.

Putting it simply. The bali nine were put in jail because of their crimes. They were killed because a politician wanted to look strong by promising to kill all the foreigners on death row for his own electoral gain. some of us call GWB junior a murderer for killing for the same reason, its far to call the indo president a murderer as well. what should we call their acolytes?

**jamescollister** · 10-05-2015, 01:51 PM

Bit long winded there hazz, question was simple, was the drug money paid to a terrorist group, yes or no will do.
I have no problem with executing drug traffickers or terrorists, unlike you I will abide by the will of the majority.
It appears that the majority of Indos support capital punishment, if the Australian government believes Australians don't, have a vote.

**panama hat** · 10-05-2015, 02:36 PM

I still think it was wrong for the Indon gov't to murder these people . . . no-one has the right to do so.

What I found a bit much, however, were the people who campaigned to 'bring back our boys' . . . a) They're not boys . . . b) They're criminals, guilty of a very nasty crime.

It really has been taken to extremes on both sides.

Recalling the Ambo - excellent
Cutting aid - excellent

Recalling the Ambo does no real damage but does convey great dissatisfaction. Good move.

Cutting aid . . . sure, why not. The checks and balances required for this aid to actually reach the root cause are simply not there - why should Australian taxpayers subsidise the wealthy?

**ltnt** · 10-05-2015, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

I still think it was wrong for the Indon gov't to murder these people . . . no-one has the right to do so.

You may want to ask the parents of drug users if they feel anti-death penalty before you sign off on that one OkrRkr...pretty weak stand...Ever wonder how many die from "drug overdoses," daily?

Whose the murderer now?

**panama hat** · 10-05-2015, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

I still think it was wrong for the Indon gov't to murder these people . . . no-one has the right to do so.

You may want to ask the parents of drug users if they feel anti-death penalty before you sign off on that one OkrRkr...pretty weak stand...Ever wonder how many die from "drug overdoses," daily?

Whose the murderer now?

That's not the point, though.

Government sanctioned murder is wrong . . . the Brazilian in this case was mentally deficient and didn't even know he was being executed.

I'm not condoning their crimes, but murdering them is wrong. Let them stay in jail for the rest of their lives - that is punishment

**Necron99** · 10-05-2015, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

I still think it was wrong for the Indon gov't to murder these people . . . no-one has the right to do so.

You may want to ask the parents of drug users if they feel anti-death penalty before you sign off on that one OkrRkr...pretty weak stand...Ever wonder how many die from "drug overdoses," daily?

Whose the murderer now?

That's not the point, though.

Government sanctioned murder is wrong . . . the Brazilian in this case was mentally deficient and didn't even know he was being executed.

I'm not condoning their crimes, but murdering them is wrong. Let them stay in jail for the rest of their lives - that is punishment

Murder is a legal term. State executions don't meet the definition.
You can argue the death penalty is not a deterrent, but neither is prison.
Jails are full of career criminals who re-offend once released.
Why burden society with the cost of life without parole?

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