Thread: Bali Executions

Originally Posted by Norton

All diplo-bluster. Recall their ambassador not really going to change much or hurt Indo,

I fear you are right. We value our relationship with Indonesia too much. And they know it. But we could hurt them in retaliation....not as revenge, but just to show them the consequences of their actions.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Such sickening violence and for no good reason. Asians are just so cruel and heartless when it comes to inflicting pain and death.

What do you call the deaths of 500,000 people in Africa a year from Malaria? An accident?

Fuk'en liberals can't get a handle on reality.

Get a grip on your sense of proportion, Itnt. Those deaths from malaria are accidental and from mosquitoes, not purposeful executions.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

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Fortunately the AFP have accepted ithey did the wrong thing and agree it will never be allowed to happen again.

Perhaps you could explain to the AFP how they got it right.

The AFP by not interviening before the 9 went to Bali, allowed them to go to Barli and the deal go through, that lead to the arrest of the people concerned, drug trafficers.
The AFP's job is to stop the import of drugs that are killing or wrecking many lifes in Australia.
The law is simple, dont traffic drug's, if found out, you will be imprisoned or shot, the 9 knew that and took the risk, they failed.
AFP are doing their job, good work or " be dammed if they do, be dammed if they dont "
I fail to see the argument.

Game over.

Australia has recalled its ambassador from Indonesia after two Australian men were executed for drug smuggling.
Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran were among eight people from several countries executed by firing squad shortly after midnight on Wednesday on the prison island of Nusakambangan.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32508722

Indonesia executions: Australia recalls ambassador - BBC News

So what does that achieve ? It's not permanent. They recall him, then send him back later, for some other reason ! Like some kind of farce...

Originally Posted by Latindancer

it. But we could hurt them in retaliation....not as revenge, but just to show them the consequences of their actions.


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So revenge then.

I just heard a news report it was said "the AFP do the best thing for Australian interests".
I agree with that.
I should add,,,I dont agree with their death sentence,,,and it appears these 2 guys were doing plenty of good thing's with or for prison inmates, would've been to keep them there.

Filipinos would be well-served by looking up the word "reprieve"; she's far from home free.

I add that I personally believe her only crime is being naive and trusting of her illegal recruiter, but I'm not sure that will be enough to save her in the end.

^ Only a temporary reprieve or will she go back to the philippines and stay there?

I hope she doesn't have to go through it all again...

Temporary. They need her to testify against a people smuggler.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Latindancer

it. But we could hurt them in retaliation....not as revenge, but just to show them the consequences of their actions.


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So revenge then.

Hardly, that's an idiotic interpretation.

If there is to be progress among heathen and savage societies it is incumbent upon more civilized states to promote values which take account of a rule of law rooted in decency and a robust morality.

Indo, like all other coon states, is essentially a corruptocracy where the law is a negotiable item to be exercised by those who are able to benefit financially.

Sanctions can be applied and withdrawal of diplomatic representations is but one step. Personally, I should like to see a visa ban on travel to Australian placed on the entire Indo cabinet , their armed forces heads and their senior civil servants including their families. Furthermore, any and all aid should be blocked, trade should cease and their national airlines should be barred from operation to Australia.

^^ & ^^^. Don't think anyone really knows at this point. She's already served five years on death row. I would think, given the fact that she was almost certainly an unwitting mule duped, in a classic ploy, by her recruiter and others, that the Indos could kick her loose at this point.

She's a single mother with a couple of kids and no education who was simply trying to get a job as a maid abroad.

Pretty safe bet if she ever sees the PI again, she'll never leave it again.

Indos could score a few points by kicking her after the testimony of her illegal recruiter is concluded. But, this is a country of no real importance and the Indos may well decide otherwise. Only time will tell.

Having been brought back from the dead at the last minute, it would be quite incredible to me if the Indos followed through with shooting her.

And what will that achieve? Australia recalled their ambassador after the Fiji coup. Didn't make a jot of difference.

If Australia decides to ban beef exports to Halal Indonesia, who really gets hurt ?

If Australia decides to stop Australian tourists from visiting or expats from residing in Bali...who really gets hurt ?

Recalling an Ambassador shows the Austr Govts 'displeasure' (saving face).

The world continues to spin and in the end...slowly everyone moves on.

Hopefully Oz-tele had time to make "scared straight" videos with the two deceased (RIP) to be shown throughout schools to remind young people: "This is what will happen if you get involved in the drug trade (particularly in certain countries). You only receive one life to live. Don't touch drugs overseas if you don't want to die. Your life in prison is not much better. Don't be stupid like we were."

Like most of the great unwashed, chattering masses aspiring to greater station in life you appear to be under some great deal illusion as to how international diplomacy actually works.

Keep to pretending you're posh on TD genticles, because you would not cut it as embassy or a ambassadorial staff.

^^^ KWilly, assuredly your remark wasn't aimed at moi but at a previous poster, correct ?

Kingdong, it was a personal view, you idiot.

I'm well aware of the machinery of government and how it works. Generally, ethics and their morality are invariably sacrificed upon the altar of real politik but all compromise comes at a price, usually paid in the currency of hypocrisy.

To challenge it is no crime nor should we shirk from that otherwise we are all demeaned.

Executions are a good way for some to retain office ain't they eh? ;

But President Jokowi, as he is known here, is under pressure to show that he is a man of action. His first few months in office have been

marked by inaction and indecision and his domestic approval ratings have dropped, making his heady victory last July look like a distant

dream.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32502385

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Get a grip on your sense of proportion, Itnt. Those deaths from malaria are accidental and from mosquitoes, not purposeful executions.

Yea, sense of proportion indeed, just half a million coincidentally dead. Not really an issue eh?

Try this one out: 1,000,000 deaths from child birth in India a year...not really an issue I presume to you either?

Yup a couple drug smugglers executed today, certainly has its unrighteous hat on for those who have a proper perspective on this idea of death and dieing issue...

Further more,

In Australia today someone has cranked up a " Boycottindonesia "web sight.

Given the amount of Australians and other foreigners who continue to flood into Bali its not quite working .

Add that the Australian ambassador has been pulled from Indonesia it bangs home how silly this saga has become.

Indonesia do not give a flying fuk about Australian's view on supporting Class A drug smugglers.

Nor should they.

People are calling for all Aid to be pulled from Indonesia.

Do it then, They survived without it before they will survive without it now.

Today I watched Abbott suck up to Indonesia saying what a great friend they were but at the same time expressing how disappointed he was.

Jesus, they will certainly take that on board huh.

I'm watching CNN, not a lot about it on there, America do many executions and support Indonesia right to enforce their law.

Any of these people who smuggle, know exactly what there doing and the risks they take.

There where many smuggling gangs in Hong kong when i lived there, and all of the mules knew what they were carrying,whether it was gold,cosmetics, expensive watches, or narcotics,they all knew.

If you take the risk, take the consequences of your actions if caught, if you wanna cry like a bitch when caught,don't do the crime.

No liveleak video?

Just read on the net that Australia's diplomat to Indonesia will return next week.

I mean fuk me,

The Australian government is really dead serious about making a stand against this eh.

Indonesia's reaction to the withdrawal of the Australian Diplomat is,

" No big deal, normal political play. "

In the mean time the Travel agency that sends " schoolies " to Bali says it will withdraw their business regards Bali. ???

Jesus, that's gona hurt huh.

Another fact being thrown out is after the Bali 9 were busted in Bali and Banged up Australian tourism increased.

Nearly one million a year going now.

On both Australian news sights the story has slipped to the bottom already, Nepal Earth quake and American riots hold front place.

Give it a few more days and all over.