Thread: Auschwitz Bookkeeper Begs For 'Forgiveness'

Originally Posted by boloa

I can't see how you came blame a whole nation !!

I was saying if this guy has to go to trial then so should the whole nation, then ocker wanted to troll, even though he completely missed the point.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by 9999

Jail this guy and you should be jailing the entire population of Germany at the time for supporting the regime.

It's a bit sick how Germans were so fanatically supporting Hitler, then after the war just pleading they were brainwashed or knew nothing about it.

Seems you're misinformed.

Hint: how many % votes did Hitler get in the last free election?

You can't counter bigotry and closed-mindedness with facts, Stroller

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Groening faces between three and 15 years in prison if convicted. The trial is expected to last until at least the end of July.

Seems very lenient, even if it would be a life sentence.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Oskar Groening, who is being tried on 300,000 counts of accessory to murder,

and

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Groening faces between three and 15 years in prison if convicted.

Hmm. Ah, OK.

Originally Posted by 9999

I'm also part jewish and your support for the German people for what they let happen is surprising, Ocker.
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Btw, where did I mention that I am part Jewish?

Why do you think that only Jews were sent to concentration camps, re-education camps, work camps, extermination camps?

Why do you think only Jews were discriminated against, harassed and arrested?

You are woefully uniformed about this chapter in history, yet get all stroppy when challenged on your ridiculous assertions

Originally Posted by 9999

, a nation of racist, facist pricks.

but they build great cars.

Originally Posted by 9999

It's always pointed out that hitler never had the majority and slided in to chancellorship. Whats never addressed is the public sentiment of the time and why the Nazis even occupied a single seat in parliament. Oh, thats right, the poor German people were destitute due to oppressive Treaty terms and its actually the fault of the allies for putting such harsh terms on Germany that they were forced to let a mad racist into power. Nothing to do with the Germans being generally (with perhaps a few exceptions), a nation of racist, facist pricks.

I think you need to read some History books.
When Hilter was voted in at 1932 election the Nazi Party lost 35 seat ,but remained the Reichstag's largest party, with 196 seats (33.09%). The Social Democrats (SPD) won 121 seats (20.43%) and the Communists (KPD) won 100 (16.86%).
So only 1/3 of the German people wanted Hitler in Power. When Hitler was appointed Chancellor on January 30 1933 he then opposed democracy and legitimated himself by using ideology and propaganda .His rise to power involved violence and provocation and nothing to do with the populous of German people wanting him as their beloved leader.

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by stroller

Hint: how many % votes did Hitler get in the last free election?

How many stood by and watched as the Nazi party came to power? How many people objected to the dis possession and branding of jews and the ghettos?

I'll think you'll find a lot less than the majority.

But how clever of you to point out history every 12 year old knows. The spoon fed version where every excuse is made to condone the people of Germany for what they let happen.

It's always pointed out that hitler never had the majority and slided in to chancellorship. Whats never addressed is the public sentiment of the time and why the Nazis even occupied a single seat in parliament. Oh, thats right, the poor German people were destitute due to oppressive Treaty terms and its actually the fault of the allies for putting such harsh terms on Germany that they were forced to let a mad racist into power. Nothing to do with the Germans being generally (with perhaps a few exceptions), a nation of racist, facist pricks.

I posed a rhetoric question to counter your ill-informed suggestion:
"Jail this guy and you should be jailing the entire population of Germany at the time for supporting the regime.

It's a bit sick how Germans were so fanatically supporting Hitler, then after the war just pleading they were brainwashed or knew nothing about it."

Not withstanding your ridiculing of arguments nobody here has made (aka burning strawmen), fact is that not the entire nation supported Hitler, far from it.
The results of the last free elections nicely demonstrate this.
It also is spurious to suggest almost all Germans supported the Nazis after the takeover, just because they didn't risk their and their family's life to fight the Nazis.

You're angry, that's ok.
But history and reality are a bit more complex than the muddle of spurious arguments you present.

It keeps you focused on the past, so you ignore the Gazza concentration camp.

Originally Posted by stroller

Not withstanding your ridiculing of arguments nobody here has made (aka burning strawmen), fact is that not the entire nation supported Hitler, far from it.
The results of the last free elections nicely demonstrate this.
It also is spurious to suggest almost all Germans supported the Nazis after the takeover, just because they didn't risk their and their family's life to fight the Nazis.

One of his grandparents was Jewish . . . so he has the moral authority to condemn 60 million people . . . as he believes only Jews were affected by Nazism - that's how well educated he is on the subject

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Why try a 93 year old guy?
What purpose does it serve?

It serves to show that as long as they live there should be no escape for those who commit or aid monstrous crimes. This is not some pickpocket or smash-and-grab artist, this is a man complicit in the deaths of millions. He knew from his first day at Auschwitz-Birkenau exactly what was happening there. As an SS-Mann employed in death-camps he is guilty of taking part in one of the greatest crimes in history. Does old age somehow make that less reprehensible? How odd to see that he himself appears to have acquired a moral sensibility somewhere along the way while those who follow the strange belief that age and distance in time are somehow get-out-of-jail-free cards appear to have none.

Maybe he got death threats, on himself and his family, that he had better come clean with lies... or else, yes?

Maybe he is being paid a lot of money to do this, yes?

Who knows?

Do you?

Originally Posted by 9999

Jail this guy and you should be jailing the entire population of Germany at the time for supporting the regime.

It's a bit sick how Germans were so fanatically supporting Hitler, then after the war just pleading they were brainwashed or knew nothing about it.

It's even more sick how what you are saying is being propagated and there is no possible means of disagreeing without being made into a pariah.

Fuck you. I have German heritage.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by stroller

Not withstanding your ridiculing of arguments nobody here has made (aka burning strawmen), fact is that not the entire nation supported Hitler, far from it.
The results of the last free elections nicely demonstrate this.
It also is spurious to suggest almost all Germans supported the Nazis after the takeover, just because they didn't risk their and their family's life to fight the Nazis.

One of his grandparents was Jewish . . . so he has the moral authority to condemn 60 million people . . . as he believes only Jews were affected by Nazism - that's how well educated he is on the subject

Do you mean the same number of 6 million that were quoted in WW1? Six sided star? Always Six? I beg to differ, if we bring the Red Cross into the argument... but you wouldn't like that, would you.

This man, in the OP, I would argue that he is being compelled, or that he has some agenda. Considering his age, I would go with the "being compelled" argument.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Originally Posted by 9999

, a nation of racist, facist pricks.

but they build great cars.

And jet engines. Rockets etc.

He was a bookkeeper, recording the days takings and sending it onto the Banks, who owned the Banks, once again Bankers get away with it.

Originally Posted by kmart

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Originally Posted by 9999

, a nation of racist, facist pricks.

but they build great cars.

And jet engines. Rockets etc.

...and the first nuclear devices.