Thread: Auschwitz Bookkeeper Begs For 'Forgiveness'

Why try a 93 year old guy?
What purpose does it serve?

Only if to extend a sense of closure.

they jailed a 92 y.o. paedo in the UK last month for crimes committed 40 years ago.

this bookkeeper fellow should not be tried, he was not involved in the killings and would probably have been shot himself if he didnt do what he was asked to do.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Why try a 93 year old guy?
What purpose does it serve?

It serves to show that as long as they live there should be no escape for those who commit or aid monstrous crimes. This is not some pickpocket or smash-and-grab artist, this is a man complicit in the deaths of millions. He knew from his first day at Auschwitz-Birkenau exactly what was happening there. As an SS-Mann employed in death-camps he is guilty of taking part in one of the greatest crimes in history. Does old age somehow make that less reprehensible? How odd to see that he himself appears to have acquired a moral sensibility somewhere along the way while those who follow the strange belief that age and distance in time are somehow get-out-of-jail-free cards appear to have none.

Maybe he got death threats, on himself and his family, that he had better come clean with lies... or else, yes?

Maybe he is being paid a lot of money to do this, yes?

Who knows?

Do you?

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Why try a 93 year old guy?

I'm not 100% sure about this but I was listening on LBC about this earlier and it turns out it's the defendant who has brought the case up so as to prove the holocaust to the non believers.

He's obviously risking a life ending sentence.

^^^ Kurgen, that is a very interesting twist to the story as Prosecutors have not brought him to trial in the past.

He may be a man of conscience who knows he doesn't have much time left.

He could be found guilty with a suspended sentence.

It serves to show that as long as they live there should be no escape for those who commit or aid monstrous crimes.

True, but unlike the masterminds of the holocaust and the generals carrying out the plans at the coal face so to speak, there was nothing Herr Groening could have done to prevent those monstrous crimes. there was no action that he could have taken that would have saved one life.

Refusing, as a protest against the killings, to do his job would have cost him his own life but done nothing to reduce the killings in the camp.

I have read that inmates were also forcibly employed to do similar work in some camps.

Jail this guy and you should be jailing the entire population of Germany at the time for supporting the regime.

It's a bit sick how Germans were so fanatically supporting Hitler, then after the war just pleading they were brainwashed or knew nothing about it.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by 9999

Jail this guy and you should be jailing the entire population of Germany at the time for supporting the regime.

It's a bit sick how Germans were so fanatically supporting Hitler, then after the war just pleading they were brainwashed or knew nothing about it.

Seems you're misinformed.

Hint: how many % votes did Hitler get in the last free election?

You can't counter bigotry and closed-mindedness with facts, Stroller

Originally Posted by 9999

Jail this guy and you should be jailing the entire population of Germany at the time for supporting the regime.

It's a bit sick how Germans were so fanatically supporting Hitler, then after the war just pleading they were brainwashed or knew nothing about it.

It's even more sick how what you are saying is being propagated and there is no possible means of disagreeing without being made into a pariah.

Fuck you. I have German heritage.

Originally Posted by taxexile

I have read that inmates were also forcibly employed to do similar work in some camps.

Indeed. Next they'll be putting on trial the Jewish survivor who got out of it by forced work ripping the golden tooth fillings out of his dead comrades.

No need to fire up a part of our history that everyone wishes never happened (particularly the Germans I know) and should forget and move forward.

Our World today has enough social problems that need addressing now.

Another waste of tax-payers money.

Originally Posted by taxexile

this bookkeeper fellow should not be tried, he was not involved in the killings and would probably have been shot himself if he didnt do what he was asked to do.

Originally Posted by boloa

As for the Bookkeeper....... I agree with taxexile .

Agred

Originally Posted by 9999

Jail this guy and you should be jailing the entire population of Germany at the time for supporting the regime.

What an utterly ridiculous statement, suggesting that all Germans supported the regime. You really don't know much about history, do you . . .

Originally Posted by 9999

It's a bit sick how Germans were so fanatically supporting Hitler, then after the war just pleading they were brainwashed or knew nothing about it.

Yet again you show your bigotry, it seems, by stating that all 'Germans' fanatically supported Hitler. Yet again, some reading of history may give you some clues as to why that is nonsense.
As for not knowing about all the goings-on in the extermination camps - why not have a look at a map of Europe . . . then you pinpoint where these extermination camps were and try to take into account both personal mobility and the lack of information dissemination . . . Bingo.

Oh, and there was no internet at the time.

My mother's father was in concentration camp and he didn't know about what precisely went on the extermination camps.

It is so easy to blame a whole nation with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight . . . are you just as aghast and angry at the British for their mass murders in concentration camps they built in the Boer war?

Originally Posted by 9999

The nation is to blame. They allowed Hitler in.

You have to remember this was 80 years ago. Germany was in deep depression and Hitler promised the poor a way out of their misery and their hardship... to which he did for most. Once he was in,yes there were fanatics who would agreed with Hitlers policies but most of the German population were subdued into obeying Hitler and only found out his racist genocidal tendency's at a later date.

I can't see how you came blame a whole nation !!

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Why try a 93 year old guy?

I'm not 100% sure about this but I was listening on LBC about this earlier and it turns out it's the defendant who has brought the case up so as to prove the holocaust to the non believers.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Kurgen

In 1985, German prosecutors chose not to pursue a case against Groening and dozens of other concentration camp workers.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

A subsequent request for prosecution was again denied only two years ago.

It's not like the guy has never been investigated before, and by all accounts he has been quite open about his past.

It seems a bit like he's being prosecuted now simply because he is one of the few still alive, not because any new evidence has been unearthed or anything.

Read what Kurgen wrote (above).

Originally Posted by Kurgen

earlier and it turns out it's the defendant who has brought the case up so as to prove the holocaust to the non believers.

At 93 he's probably not of sound mind and shouldn't be tried.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

he's probably not of sound mind and shouldn't be tried.

that only works if you're a Bitish MP or Lord

Originally Posted by Kurgen

that only works if you're a Bitish MP or Lord

Just so happens the one who's under scrutiny in the UK is a Yid, so I believe?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by Kurgen

that only works if you're a Bitish MP or Lord

Just so happens the one who's under scrutiny in the UK is a Yid, so I believe?

I'm clueless, Pragmatic.

What exactly is a Yid ?

A Tottenham supporter ? A branch of UKIP ?

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Why try a 93 year old guy?
What purpose does it serve?

Only if to extend a sense of closure.

Reading the whole article a bit difficult, Jeff?

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Hedy Bohm, a survivor from New York, said she wanted to see Groening declared guilty but was not seeking vengeance.

"Those who commit crimes today must know they will be held responsible in the future," she said.

"And never again will they be able to just plead: 'I'm a cog in the machinery, I didn't kill.'"