Thread: Proof the lunatics are running the UK today

Another problem is that now there any many foreign hauliers on Britains roads who in my view are not as well trained as British HGV drivers , but all in all us HGV drivers are far and away better trained than most cycle riders could ever hope to be ,and on motorways HGV's can only use the two inside lanes , time and again I have been trying to get a high speed run up a long steep incline with 20 tonne behind me when some stupid "weekend polisher" is doing 40 mph in the second lane leaving me with no alternative but to break and then get down to "crawler gear" ,only then to be left by the idiot in front of me to peedle off on his completely oblivious merry way , so it works two ways and not just at the disadvantage of the car driver

Talking of pikeys ............ ahem

A couple of them once bought my mums old Morris Minor in pristine condition. She took their check ( dumb ) but kept the log book until it cleared....which of course it didn't. Goodbye Morris.

However, as luck would have it, the pikeys tried to sell it to a garage that specialised in restoring and selling Morris Minors who had previously done some work on the car.

Their mechanic was suspicious so phoned my mum to ask if she had sold it. He also told her where the pikeys were currently staying. She still had a spare key for it so she went there and liberated it from their camp ( which took some balls I think )

The pikeys let that go but returned to the garage a beat up the mechanic....poor bloke.

I got my HGV class1 in 1995, probably the most difficult two weeks work in my life!
As for the UK. Thank fook I left in 2002.

^ In deepest Bavaria the cycle paths are such that I only have to be on the road in residential (30km/h) areas. I don't mean cycle paths on the road but actual tracks next to the pavement and off the road. Safe enough to make it a preferred way to commute. Most of the UK is a half-hearted attempt at keeping the cyclists off the road.

I'm not sure of the reasoning behind lorry drivers spending a day cycling around parts of London. It may also be to help with road widths and better routes that are are not so easily explored in a big truck.

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Dont wanna divert your thread too much BF ,, but another quick example of todays lunacy .

My HGV licence now requires me to do a CPC part ( every 5 years have to go in a classroom for a whole day 5 days in 5 years ) now because I go into London in my work one of these 5 days I have to go on a cycling proficiency course 3 hours of which must be riding a cycle ,, this decided by Doris Johnson .

So if you see a bunch of fat bastards cycling sweating our nuts off wearing our GLC orange vests on you will know whats going on .

This bollox is just what a bankrupt Country needs to help it back on its feet , making employers take lorries and drivers off the roads for days to twatt around like this .

If you take a look at the many cycles chained to railings as memorials to the cyclist that died their your view might change.

To many lorry drivers drive like idiots trying to intimidate other road users with size!

Getting lorry drivers on cycles around London is a good idea,might help a few more check their mirrors before they make a turn and crush a cyclist.

Maybe it would be a good idea for a few cyclists or "weekend polishers" to drive a 40 foot tandem axle articulated vehicle with a gross weight of 35 tonne into Birmingham or London at rush hour on a Friday night for a taste of "reality" just to see what an HGV drivers lot is all about, I wonder how they would cope?, I think its safe to say we all know the answer to that question don't we , Welcome to the "real World"

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Dont wanna divert your thread too much BF ,, but another quick example of todays lunacy .

My HGV licence now requires me to do a CPC part ( every 5 years have to go in a classroom for a whole day 5 days in 5 years ) now because I go into London in my work one of these 5 days I have to go on a cycling proficiency course 3 hours of which must be riding a cycle ,, this decided by Doris Johnson .

So if you see a bunch of fat bastards cycling sweating our nuts off wearing our GLC orange vests on you will know whats going on .

This bollox is just what a bankrupt Country needs to help it back on its feet , making employers take lorries and drivers off the roads for days to twatt around like this .

If you take a look at the many cycles chained to railings as memorials to the cyclist that died their your view might change.

To many lorry drivers drive like idiots trying to intimidate other road users with size!

Getting lorry drivers on cycles around London is a good idea,might help a few more check their mirrors before they make a turn and crush a cyclist.

Maybe it would be a good idea for a few cyclists or "weekend polishers" to drive a 40 foot tandem axle articulated vehicle with a gross weight of 35 tonne into Birmingham or London at rush hour on a Friday night for a taste of "reality" just to see what an HGV drivers lot is all about, I wonder how they would cope?, I think its safe to say we all know the answer to that question don't we , Welcome to the "real World"

Typical over the top reply!

If you are driving a 35 focking tonne vehicle you should be well able to cope with not crushing to death a cyclist, who might just happen to be creeping past you on the inside to get to the front of traffic.

So he they may delay you for a few seconds, TOUGH!

They do not have to sit behind you,but you have to be well aware of them and give ample space .Fact!

Go back to the highway code mate,vehicles should give way to pedestrians and cyclist who maybe using the road.

Many cyclist have lost their lives in this way which is the real world!

HGV drivers should drive their vehicles with far more caution baring in mind their weight and damage they can do in collisions,sadly some take the view that I'm bigger than you so get out the focking way!.

Usually the ultimate cock extension for some until they Jack knife the focking thing taking out every cnvt in their path.

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Dont wanna divert your thread too much BF ,, but another quick example of todays lunacy .

My HGV licence now requires me to do a CPC part ( every 5 years have to go in a classroom for a whole day 5 days in 5 years ) now because I go into London in my work one of these 5 days I have to go on a cycling proficiency course 3 hours of which must be riding a cycle ,, this decided by Doris Johnson .

So if you see a bunch of fat bastards cycling sweating our nuts off wearing our GLC orange vests on you will know whats going on .

This bollox is just what a bankrupt Country needs to help it back on its feet , making employers take lorries and drivers off the roads for days to twatt around like this .

If you take a look at the many cycles chained to railings as memorials to the cyclist that died their your view might change.

To many lorry drivers drive like idiots trying to intimidate other road users with size!

Getting lorry drivers on cycles around London is a good idea,might help a few more check their mirrors before they make a turn and crush a cyclist.

Maybe it would be a good idea for a few cyclists or "weekend polishers" to drive a 40 foot tandem axle articulated vehicle with a gross weight of 35 tonne into Birmingham or London at rush hour on a Friday night for a taste of "reality" just to see what an HGV drivers lot is all about, I wonder how they would cope?, I think its safe to say we all know the answer to that question don't we , Welcome to the "real World"

Typical over the top reply!

If you are driving a 35 focking tonne vehicle you should be well able to cope with not crushing to death a cyclist, who might just happen to be creeping past you on the inside to get to the front of traffic.

So he they may delay you for a few seconds, TOUGH!

They do not have to sit behind you,but you have to be well aware of them and give ample space .Fact!

Go back to the highway code mate,vehicles should give way to pedestrians and cyclist who maybe using the road.

Many cyclist have lost their lives in this way which is the real world!

HGV drivers should drive their vehicles with far more caution baring in mind their weight and damage they can do in collisions,sadly some take the view that I'm bigger than you so get out the focking way!.

Usually the ultimate cock extension for some until they Jack knife the focking thing taking out every cnvt in their path.

GD, I have an HGV as my family are in commercial vehicle recovery. It has been a few years since I have driven anything of weight but I can assure you the speed that cyclists move up the inside of lorries is astonishing sometimes. I was once towing a lorry half full of sugar ( Gross weight about 36 t) when some idiot undertook me as I started to navigate a roundabout, it's hell raising mate, no driver wants to hurt anyone but avoiding action can be so dangerous too. Then of course the HGV driver has to continue his journey a bag of nerves.

Bower

I know full well where you are coming from but at the end of the day duty of care comes down to the Lorry driver.

This is why this campaign was brought about to make some lorry drivers more aware of cyclist.

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Talking of pikeys ............ ahem

A couple of them once bought my mums old Morris Minor in pristine condition. She took their check ( dumb ) but kept the log book until it cleared....which of course it didn't. Goodbye Morris.

However, as luck would have it, the pikeys tried to sell it to a garage that specialised in restoring and selling Morris Minors who had previously done some work on the car.

Their mechanic was suspicious so phoned my mum to ask if she had sold it. He also told her where the pikeys were currently staying. She still had a spare key for it so she went there and liberated it from their camp ( which took some balls I think )

The pikeys let that go but returned to the garage a beat up the mechanic....poor bloke.

Reminds me of a time when my mate sold a pick up to a pair of pikeys in Battersea. Funny as fuck it was. By the time they'd got to the yard and found the truck we were down the pub having a spot of lunch. They called and said they were there so we said we were heading back and to hold on ten minutes. When we pulled into the yard they were sat in the truck engine running ready to go. They didn't need the keys but were kind enough to wait to pay for it

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Oh and I forgot to add.
Thieving Pikey bastards riding stolen cycles are the fcuking worst of the worst and it should be perfectly legal to mow the fcukers down.

Remember, tempting as it might be to sideswipe a pikey on a bike into a hedge..... Check first to make sure it's not your bike he's riding.

Praise indeed from the number one tool on the forum !

The same geezer giving out advice who was riding his moped around with his kids on board ??? cant be ,,,,,,,,oh no lets not go there

Oh dear Nigel has taken this personally,he must be twat that thinks his lorry makes him king of the road.

As someone pulled out on you lately in a village at low speed where you felt the need to overtake and then pull up in front to engage in road rage.


For someone who likes a laugh Nigel your claws seem to come out all to often.

Yes we all know you drive a lorry but don,t

What has your post got to do with cyclist getting crushed to death by lorry drivers?

Fuck me when you come to Thailand to settle you are in for a shock

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Oh and I forgot to add.
Thieving Pikey bastards riding stolen cycles are the fcuking worst of the worst and it should be perfectly legal to mow the fcukers down.

Remember, tempting as it might be to sideswipe a pikey on a bike into a hedge..... Check first to make sure it's not your bike he's riding.

Praise indeed from the number one tool on the forum !

The same geezer giving out advice who was riding his moped around with his kids on board ??? cant be ,,,,,,,,oh no lets not go there

I would beg to differ and say the number one forum tool lives in the U.K and starts a thread on his visa inquiry!
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Oh dear Nigel has taken this personally,he must be a twat that thinks his lorry makes him king of the road.

As someone pulled out on you lately in a village at low speed where you felt the need to overtake and then pull up in front to engage in road rage.


For someone who likes a laugh Nigel your claws seem to come out all to often.

Yes we all know you drive a lorry but don,t

What has your post got to do with cyclist getting crushed to death by lorry drivers?

I'm stating fact not giving out advice!


Fuck me when you come to Thailand to settle you are in for a shock!

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Fuck me when you come to Thailand to settle you are in for a shock!

What is your problem with Nige, Dave ?
I see you stalking him in a few threads now, even going out of your way to start threads focusing on him.
The guy has more decency and talent in his little toe than you could ever dream of.
Is that where your jealousy stems from ?
The fact he can retire age 52 without a young family in the shat hole that is Pattaya with in-laws he gets on with ?
Sure seems like it

BUS WANKER

What most folk in the U.K forget is the creation of JOBS. Job creation.Real work for people has disappeared ,so new pretend jobs are replacing them. Healthy and safety marshals,CCTV operators,STD inspectors,Speed camera operators,rubbish bin inspectors,Over shoulder boulder holder inspectors. Now some twat has a newly created Job watching truck drivers ride bicycles.
Of course no twat inspects Illegal immigrants or Gypsy camps,only the upright citizens are picked on.Good,because they allow it.

Most HGV drivers in the UK drive well. That's the result of the training, testing and monitoring that has been introduced over the past few decades. I remember the outcry from HGV drivers when the tachometer was introduced. They called it the 'spy in the cab'. Undoubtedly, that and other measures have saved many lives on the road.

However, there is still the selfish and reckless element. My car was once almost crushed up against the armco by an HGV the driver of which thought that no-one should use the outside lane approaching a lane restriction. He committed an illegal act by entering that lane himself. The trouble is, other road users aren't able to recognise the cowboys until they pull out without adequate warning.

Whether or not the law applicable to cyclists is adequate is irrelevant. They will always be vulnerable and its up to other road users to take care when passing them.

Originally Posted by Morden

Most HGV drivers in the UK drive well. That's the result of the training, testing and monitoring that has been introduced over the past few decades. I remember the outcry from HGV drivers when the tachometer was introduced. They called it the 'spy in the cab'. Undoubtedly, that and other measures have saved many lives on the road.

However, there is still the selfish and reckless element. My car was once almost crushed up against the armco by an HGV the driver of which thought that no-one should use the outside lane approaching a lane restriction. He committed an illegal act by entering that lane himself. The trouble is, other road users aren't able to recognise the cowboys until they pull out without adequate warning.

Whether or not the law applicable to cyclists is adequate is irrelevant. They will always be vulnerable and its up to other road users to take care when passing them.

How about when an HGV has slowed down to walking speed to negotiate an acute left hand turn, should the cyclist not take care when overtaking the wagon on the inside as this is were many of the accidents happen , the HGV driver is very well aware of scenarios like this through his practical and written training , what training does the cyclists have to be made aware that they are undertaking a highly dangerous act by trying to pass approaching the turn? .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Morden

Most HGV drivers in the UK drive well. That's the result of the training, testing and monitoring that has been introduced over the past few decades. I remember the outcry from HGV drivers when the tachometer was introduced. They called it the 'spy in the cab'. Undoubtedly, that and other measures have saved many lives on the road.

However, there is still the selfish and reckless element. My car was once almost crushed up against the armco by an HGV the driver of which thought that no-one should use the outside lane approaching a lane restriction. He committed an illegal act by entering that lane himself. The trouble is, other road users aren't able to recognise the cowboys until they pull out without adequate warning.

Whether or not the law applicable to cyclists is adequate is irrelevant. They will always be vulnerable and its up to other road users to take care when passing them.

How about when an HGV has slowed down to walking speed to negotiate an acute left hand turn, should the cyclist not take care when overtaking the wagon on the inside as this is were many of the accidents happen , the HGV driver is very well aware of scenarios like this through his practical and written training , what training does the cyclists have to be made aware that they are undertaking a highly dangerous act by trying to pass approaching the turn? .

The cyclist should also take care, of course.

When I was young I took a government sponsored cyclist proficiency course and I see no reason why such a course should not be available today. I also think that cyclists should wear helmets and have third party insurance, However, large vehicles are much more dangerous than bicycles and the drivers have a more onerous responsibility to other road users.

It's no use HGV drivers claiming that they are always is the right and cyclists are in the wrong when there's an accident. Some of the posts from HGV drivers show a degree of anger on the subject that is rather worrying. Let's hope that they don't get so angry whilst driving.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

Fuck me when you come to Thailand to settle you are in for a shock!

What is your problem with Nige, Dave ?
I see you stalking him in a few threads now, even going out of your way to start threads focusing on him.
The guy has more decency and talent in his little toe than you could ever dream of.
Is that where your jealousy stems from ?
The fact he can retire age 52 without a young family in the shat hole that is Pattaya with in-laws he gets on with ?
Sure seems like it

BUS WANKER

Sorry Dill but I have not got a problem with Nigel!

His claws have come out on this thread because I have posted my opinion on some HGV drivers.

Must of touched a nerve!

To many on this forum like to make sarcastic posts which they call a laugh but when members respond giving a bit back some lose their sense of humor.

Are you this members focking babysitter?

Originally Posted by Morden

Most HGV drivers in the UK drive well. That's the result of the training, testing and monitoring that has been introduced over the past few decades. I remember the outcry from HGV drivers when the tachometer was introduced. They called it the 'spy in the cab'. Undoubtedly, that and other measures have saved many lives on the road.

However, there is still the selfish and reckless element. My car was once almost crushed up against the armco by an HGV the driver of which thought that no-one should use the outside lane approaching a lane restriction. He committed an illegal act by entering that lane himself. The trouble is, other road users aren't able to recognise the cowboys until they pull out without adequate warning.

Whether or not the law applicable to cyclists is adequate is irrelevant. They will always be vulnerable and its up to other road users to take care when passing them.

An honest post from a member that gets the point!

Pity he is not a lorry driver

Originally Posted by Morden

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Morden

Most HGV drivers in the UK drive well. That's the result of the training, testing and monitoring that has been introduced over the past few decades. I remember the outcry from HGV drivers when the tachometer was introduced. They called it the 'spy in the cab'. Undoubtedly, that and other measures have saved many lives on the road.

However, there is still the selfish and reckless element. My car was once almost crushed up against the armco by an HGV the driver of which thought that no-one should use the outside lane approaching a lane restriction. He committed an illegal act by entering that lane himself. The trouble is, other road users aren't able to recognise the cowboys until they pull out without adequate warning.

Whether or not the law applicable to cyclists is adequate is irrelevant. They will always be vulnerable and its up to other road users to take care when passing them.

How about when an HGV has slowed down to walking speed to negotiate an acute left hand turn, should the cyclist not take care when overtaking the wagon on the inside as this is were many of the accidents happen , the HGV driver is very well aware of scenarios like this through his practical and written training , what training does the cyclists have to be made aware that they are undertaking a highly dangerous act by trying to pass approaching the turn? .

The cyclist should also take care, of course.

When I was young I took a government sponsored cyclist proficiency course and I see no reason why such a course should not be available today. I also think that cyclists should wear helmets and have third party insurance, However, large vehicles are much more dangerous than bicycles and the drivers have a more onerous responsibility to other road users.

It's no use HGV drivers claiming that they are always is the right and cyclists are in the wrong when there's an accident. Some of the posts from HGV drivers show a degree of anger on the subject that is rather worrying. Let's hope that they don't get so angry whilst driving.

Who ever said that HGV drivers are always in the right?, no one is infallible , all I am saying is that HGV drivers are far better trained on road awareness and knowledge of the highway code ,they have to be otherwise they would not pass their driving test which any one who has had to through the "meat grinder" of the test to receive your HGV Class 1 will tell you .

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave

BIG Fella

That,s one of the advantages of cycling in what is sometimes bumper to bumper traffic,you can filter through it.

Who would sit behind a lorry?

The Lorry drivers need to be aware and give way to a cyclist if he is attempting to pass him.

Another tool that blames the lorry driver for a wanker on a bike riding uop the inside when he is turnig left. If the wanker on the bike is in such a hurry to get where they are going might I suggest they FILTER up the right hand side of the turning lorry and not the left.
Why do you think this type of accident doesn't happen as often to motorcyclists ?
The answer lies in them learning and abiding by the highway code something which cyclists do not do or are made to do.
Start tio tax and license cyclists as are every other road user and see what difference that makes.

The rear wheels of a vehicle follow not the arc of the front wheels turning but where the front wheels are during a turn. This states the obvious to any experienced road user, and even though motorbike riders sometimes fail to drive defensively against a turning vehicle they generally tend to be far more aware of basic turn dynamics than cyclists.

From my own observations driving in many different countries I believe this is one of the first things a two-wheel rider should be taught as a practical application. And the next valuable lesson, of course, is that the front wheel of a two-wheeler tends to veer towards where the rider is looking, so when you see a pothole ahead look to the side of it, not at it.


A few years back in UK a mid-20s office girl was crushed by a left-turning truck on her way to work. Her mother campaigned for greater safety education and devices on large vehicles, but for whatever reasons didn't find the support she needed. So she bought a few shares in the trucking firm whose truck killed her child, which gave her the right to speak at their next shareholder meeting, where she gave a rousing speech which raised so much support that the board determined to fit all of their trucks with front, side and rear sensors as well as cams.

Epilogue: As I heard it, though it cost some to fit out loads of trucks with these devices, the firm ran with the "ethical" angle and got so much goodwill and extra business that some of their competitors took note and followed suit.

But tech costs money and goodwill's worth nothing in LoS, so don't hold your breath on widespread or legislated use anytime soon.