You're absolutely right. But you're in a society of people who are in "me first" or "me only" mode most of the time. (Witness the driving style, the shopping carts blocking the lanes, etc., etc.) You need to be realistic about how much you can expect from such people. And, I'm not making value judgments here; just trying to get a handle on why, in areas like this, the thought processes are so different.Originally Posted by Helicopter