Teakdoor members meet to discuss feminazis.

**plorf** · 06-05-2009, 10:01 PM

^Agreed I didn't notice your reply much, but that was because it didn't contain anything new/unsaid. But I think your main problem is that you call women feminists who wouldn't call themselves so. Women already have equal pay in many countries and they have already risen to the top in many occasions. The great peace revolution that's supposed to follow is still pending. Indeed, India and the Phils have fared rather bad with their female presidents. Not that I take that as a counterproof that women in power are bad, mind you ! Simply that women aren't that much a different species as some feminists (and extreme conservatives, religious nuts) want to believe. And the rest are just slogans in my opinion, indeed I don't really understand why some feminists seem to hate my arguments more than they really hate much more conservative views.
Must be because I have good arguments why some of their more radical ideas are obviously rubbish.
But so far I haven't even mentioned my personal type of women I go for, and that is clearly an independant, intelligent woman who can earn her own money, make her own judgements and with whom I can seriously plan the future. Furtunately I have found such a woman here in Thailand, and there are plenty of similar-minded women here having a pain finding an adequate partner. The very reason why Jet Gordon mentioned Thailand and the Phils having so many strong women. They take care of things, have a business (the highest rate of female business owners int he world if I'm not mistaken), plan the finances etc. The men are good for construction business, lying around and drinking whiskey with the money their daughters prostituted themselves for.

So all the western feminists whining and complaining about their personal failure in career and partnership and blaming men who marry a Thai woman aren't just silly but hypocritical.

**blackgang** · 06-05-2009, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

misinformation and you can't stand it that women have power over you, sexual power. CONTROL OF YOUR PENIS IS NOT YOUR OWN , so you must quash women . You are so afraid, it is so evident, it's laughable.

This kvnt is right about that one thing, if it wasn't for the pussy, there would damn sure be a bounty on em.

**Cujo** · 07-05-2009, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

misinformation and you can't stand it that women have power over you, sexual power. CONTROL OF YOUR PENIS IS NOT YOUR OWN , so you must quash women . You are so afraid, it is so evident, it's laughable.

This kvnt is right about that one thing, if it wasn't for the pussy, there would damn sure be a bounty on em.

**November Rain** · 07-05-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Israelis are bred to kill Palestinians? Equality? Equal pay? You really are a screwed up femi. Musty, I view you as a bitter misogynist, who never got want you wanted (and never will) because you are too stupid and too busy judging other people, especially men. I would never hire someone like you, a constant whiner and complainer who would make life miserable for everyone in the workplace. I've seen fat-fek femis who turned into gestapo pigs when they were given a small promotion. Worse than men. But we don't have to worry about that happening to you, Musty. Nobody would promote you unless it was to show you the door

Actually, I think he/she has made some extremely good points. I'm also very impressed by the generally calm, coherent argument, devoid of the nasty insults and innuendo of the likes of Horse Dr. I don't agree with everything said, but I do like the consistent strength of the debate and must admit to agreeing with about half the points made. If I were an employer, I would most definitely hire someone who could argue a contentious subject in this way.

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

PhuketBound's rather confusing arguments

Originally Posted by phuketbound

You totally ignored my last post, but anyhoo.. I don't think you really know what a feminist is if she knocked you on the head. You have feminists in power, and feminists who aren't in power. You have different types of feminists, but the main premise is woman are powerful and in control of their own destiny. The world will change if some woman make it to high power positions, because not many of them had a chance to be in these positions many years ago. The world will change when women get the same pay as men,and are treated equal. Hell yes! We don't need men to be the best we can be. Not all women are unhappy, if they aren't married, have children and are settled down. Women are liberated these days!

**Jet Gorgon** · 07-05-2009, 11:03 PM

^ I'd hire her, too, if I wanted all my staff to quit. NR, Musty has said nothing that is not regurgitated femi nonsense from the 60s. If she had a mind of her own, she'd be focusing on her work rather than moaning about the so-called plight of women. Anyone who allows themselves to be down-trodden, whether male or female, will inevitable be so. And, if she is such a femi, why in hell come to Thailand? Or anywhere in Asia for that matter. You have to be a strong chick to survive in these societies.

**MustavaMond** · 08-05-2009, 08:05 PM

I have to apologize to P.B., Just because I was confused by a statement doesn't make your argument confusing.

And thank you, N.R. a very nice compliment . I shall endeavor to keep your good will.
I've always thought that in order to present a coherent argument , one must first believe in what is argued, two; have a sincere desire to convince others in order to improve the general welfare, and thirdly-most importantly; BE RIGHT !!!

And Medusa. Huh ? I can't hear you , you're very, very faint , you're fading ...fading ..faded away-you're gone. Relegated to to the room of ignored hateful blather, you and BG

And Plorf- Pink Piggiest of all

Also from your " Barbie "source;

....Fisher's study of Playboy centerfolds showed that over 50 years men's preferences had moved from voluptuous to more androgenous models who had higher WHR but were thinner.
Jasienska notes that some non-Western societies do not use the same measurements of female attractiveness. In cultures which value large women, size may be a more important indicator of nutrition and health and therefore fertility, she says.

Narrow hips are going to lead to difficulty giving birth so The waist /hip ration is considered a genetic marker for ABILITY TO GIVE SUCCESSFUL BIRTH .

Interestingly , the Barbie model you find so attractive, you claim is the ideal body shape and preferred on a base genetic level ...in real life , would have such a low fat index, she probably would not menstruate and thus be unable to conceive . If she were, she would have to have a cesaerean as a vaginal birth would be impossible, her hips would be too narrow

None of this offers any clue as to why you find the discussion to NOT wear a bra as extreme radialism.

Another interesting source on Barbie body types

:Life Size Barbie: Wellness Resource Center | Vanderbilt University

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
View Barbie

Our life-size Barbie Doll resides in the Wellness Resource Center. She is built in direct representation to the actual Barbie doll. The purpose of Barbie is to force people to see what an unrealistic image young children (in particular young girls) have as their ideal model. Read some of Barbie's specs below and find out just how UNrealistic she is . . .
The REAL Barbie . . .

would have to crawl to support her top-heavy frame.
would only have room for a radius OR an ulna in her arms.
would only have room for a tibia OR a fibula in her legs.
would only have room for an esophogus OR a trachea in her neck (she could either eat OR breathe . . . we guess she must just breathe)
would wear a size 3 children's shoe
would have a severly distorted face (like the pictures of aliens), due to the almost triple average size of her head.

How Tall Would She Be?

Take your current hip measurement and find out how tall Barbie would have to be . . .
Hip Head Waist Bust Arms Legs Foot Height 30"25.5"21"40"24"39"3.4"6' 32"27.2"22.5"42.6"25.5"41.5"3.6"6' 5" 34"29"24"45.3"27.2"44.2"3.8"6' 9.5" 36"30.5"25.5"48"29"47"4"7' 2.5" 38"32.3"26.5"50.6"30.5"49.5"4.3"7' 7" 40"34"28"53.3"32"52"4.5"8' 42"35.6"29.5"56"33.6"54.5"4.75"8' 5" 44"37.5"31"58.6"35.2"57.2"5"8' 9" 46"39"32.2"61.3"37"60"5.2"9' 2.5" 48"41"33.6"64"38.5"62.5"5.45"9' 7"

Wellness Resource Center
Vanderbilt University
Station B - Box 6033
Nashville, TN 37235

(615) 343-6073

**plorf** · 08-05-2009, 08:26 PM

^Oh come on, all those silly pictures just because you can't properly read an article:
And all those fat, thick people who need some sort of a study to prove in pseudo-scientific articles what every normal person can see at first sight: Barbies look ridiculous and completely unrealistic. That doesn't make it right for you to be fat though.
Anyway, here for you to give it a try and read again:

Barbie-shaped women more fertile
Large-breasted, narrow-waisted women have the highest reproductive potential

This is the first sentence of the article, even you should have managed to understand its content.
You wanted proof for my statement that men have a biologically determined preference for female breasts and a curvy figure. The wiki article itself contains literally dozens of web sources and literature where scientists all over the world cover the subject at any possible angle. So by calling the statement bullshit, or a typical lie from a chauvinist pig you're just once again embarrasing yourself. I really have to insist you just start to read up a bit on the topic, this article is a good place to start... many if not most of your arguments will be quite redundant once you know what you're talking about.
Physical attractiveness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**November Rain** · 09-05-2009, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Anyone who allows themselves to be down-trodden, whether male or female, will inevitable be so.

Really? It's that simple in your mind? No matter country or circumstances of birth? No matter gender, caste (in some countries) or political regimes? No matter poverty?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

You have to be a strong chick to survive in these societies.

As an expat or as a woman born to 'these societies'?

**Jet Gorgon** · 09-05-2009, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Anyone who allows themselves to be down-trodden, whether male or female, will inevitable be so.

Really? It's that simple in your mind? No matter country or circumstances of birth? No matter gender, caste (in some countries) or political regimes? No matter poverty?

It's all a matter of mind, NR. Face it, life ain't fair. You want to change women's rights in muslim, Indian, dictatorship scenarios, you have to change the main thinking first. Those folks will not embrace western-style anything, let alone feminism. Pull your head out. There will always be poor, down-trodden people, whether by circumstance, fate, sheer laziness, etc. And some of those people are men.

I see you suffering inside, NR, coz you will feel guilty if you leave the little boy and the dogs if you go to pursue your own dreams. Or have you left those behind? What are you doing for yourself in Thailand, NR? You have many gifts and you are wasting them. You could equate yourself to being a kept woman right now. Is that feminist?

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

You have to be a strong chick to survive in these societies.

As an expat or as a woman born to 'these societies'?

Either. I survived 20 years in Asia, without losing sight of myself. Did I choose to conform to local social mores? You bet I did. You do so as well. Why? Manners is all as far as I'm concerned. Quit following the feminazi herd mentality, NR. It doesn't suit you.

**November Rain** · 09-05-2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I see you suffering inside, NR, coz you will feel guilty if you leave the little boy and the dogs if you go to pursue your own dreams. Or have you left those behind? What are you doing for yourself in Thailand, NR? You have many gifts and you are wasting them. You could equate yourself to being a kept woman right now. Is that feminist?

What has my personal situation and how you read it got to do with the price of fish? My argument is not based on my situation. You once castigated me for bringing your personal situation into an argument (with another member) as a reason for your behaviour. I'd thank you not to make the same mistake I made then.
I'm well aware of your views (particularly of the 'kept woman' part), and I really don't see that it's any of your business.

Getting back to the debate;

You said

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Anyone who allows themselves to be down-trodden, whether male or female, will inevitable be so

which I happen to disagree with. You are implying that success (or otherwise) in life is due to personal will and drive. I think a lot in this life is dependant on the situation, circumstances and even country into which we are born. A child born to a rich family in Rio for instance, will automatically have advantages and opportunities never realised by a child born into the rubbish heap slums just a few miles away. A girl born in Afghanistan in the 1980's would have far less of a chance in life than a girl born in UK or the US on the same day. A child born into a high caste Indian family would have a better life than one born to 'Untouchable' parents. They can have all the drive in the world and still get nowhere. That's life. And that's where your statement falls down. Some people will never get a real chance, simply because of who they were born to and where. Sure, your statement fits for Western countries with free or subsidised compulsory education and relative equality for all. But if you apply it to other countries, it simply isn't true.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Quit following the feminazi herd mentality, NR.

Who's following the herd? Not me. I never have and never will. I happen to thank early feminists for giving me the chance to be where I am now. Without them I wouldn't be free to make my own mistakes and live as I choose. Do I feel I have to be feminist myself, now? No. Somebody else did that work for me. Now I can just be a person. Many of my recent arguments have been against feminist agendas, as I feel they are anachronistic, now - in Western countries, anyway, and are often taken too far (ie Horse Doctor's Mrs/Ms/Miss argument or her 'girl' one), but I don't lose sight of the fact that none of us women would enjoy the freedoms we have if it weren't for earlier pioneers whether they be known as feminists (like the suffragette movement) or just as talented go-getting women (Amelia Earhart, Josephine Baker, Marie Curie, Florence Nightingale, Gladys Aylward, and many, many others)

**Norton** · 09-05-2009, 12:28 PM

Just thought I would throw this into the ring. Seems the ultimate and very effective weapon in getting things changed.

"Women's groups in Kenya have declared a week-long sex strike in protest against the infighting crippling the national unity government."

Kenyan women on sex strike - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

"But first let's look at examples in recent history where women have gone on sex strikes to make political, human rights and economic statements."

The Southern Times

**Jet Gorgon** · 09-05-2009, 01:07 PM

^ Shut up, Norties! We're having a femi battle here!

Originally Posted by November Rain

My argument is not based on my situation. You once castigated me for bringing your personal situation into an argument (with another member) as a reason for your behaviour. I'd thank you not to make the same mistake I made then.

What's the point of your argument then? Do you argue for one viewpoint but live another? Pretty hypocritical innit?

In addition, the "personal info" difference here NR is that you have told the whole board several times about your situation; the info about me that I entrusted to you was via pm, not blabbed to the whole board. And I don't need someone to make excuses for my "behaviour".

Originally Posted by November Rain

Getting back to the debate;

You said

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Anyone who allows themselves to be down-trodden, whether male or female, will inevitable be so

which I happen to disagree with. You are implying that success (or otherwise) in life is due to personal will and drive. I think a lot in this life is dependant on the situation, circumstances and even country into which we are born. A child born to a rich family in Rio for instance, will automatically have advantages and opportunities never realised by a child born into the rubbish heap slums just a few miles away. A girl born in Afghanistan in the 1980's would have far less of a chance in life than a girl born in UK or the US on the same day. A child born into a high caste Indian family would have a better life than one born to 'Untouchable' parents. They can have all the drive in the world and still get nowhere. That's life. And that's where your statement falls down. Some people will never get a real chance, simply because of who they were born to and where. Sure, your statement fits for Western countries with free or subsidised compulsory education and relative equality for all. But if you apply it to other countries, it simply isn't true.

I already replied to that NR. Life isn't fair. You can have two rich or two poor kids with the same chances, and maybe one of each will succeed and be content and the others will be miserable and fail. I have seen many poor people that are content and many rich people that are miserable. Your argument is faulty. What is success? Millionaire? Susan Boyle? Street kid who wins the lottery? Is is all about money and fame? NO. Success is in the mind. You will never be successful if you are not content with yourself. And the richest person is one who can deal with any situation and never lose sight of him/herself nor lose his/her own contentment.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Quit following the feminazi herd mentality, NR.

Who's following the herd? Not me. I never have and never will. I happen to thank early feminists for giving me the chance to be where I am now.

And where are you now, NR?

**terry57** · 09-05-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

This kvnt is right about that one thing, if it wasn't for the pussy, there would damn sure be a bounty on em.

They'd be stacked ten deep at the rubbish tip.

Urm, my mate thought of that.

**November Rain** · 09-05-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I already replied to that NR. Life isn't fair. You can have two rich or two poor kids with the same chances, and maybe one of each will succeed and be content and the others will be miserable and fail.

I agreed that life isn't fair. But why compare two 'likes'? Surely, the more advantaged are the ones that will (in most cases) prosper? Very difficult to prosper with no education, which is what a lot of the population of the world is still faced with.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Your argument is faulty.

I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

What is success? Millionaire? Susan Boyle? Street kid who wins the lottery?

None of the above. All 3 are 'one in many millions' situations. None of those things will ever happen to the majority of people.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Success is in the mind. You will never be successful if you are not content with yourself. And the richest person is one who can deal with any situation and never lose sight of him/herself nor lose his/her own contentment

Nice ideaology. Not sure how it applies to people who have had real struggles in their lives, though. And I don't mean the sort of things that any of us on TD have had to deal with. I mean real hardship.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

What's the point of your argument then? Do you argue for one viewpoint but live another? Pretty hypocritical innit?

No, I learnt by my mistake. Seeing as you were the one that pointed out my mistake, I'm surprised by your response.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

In addition, the "personal info" difference here NR is that you have told the whole board several times about your situation; the info about me that I entrusted to you was via pm, not blabbed to the whole board.

In both cases, yours & mine, the personal info I refer to was 'blabbed to the whole board', not put in pm.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

And where are you now, NR?

What is your problem with where my life is or isn't going? It's not relevant to this debate. I'm where I need to be at this time. OK?

**hafiz** · 09-05-2009, 07:36 PM

(eyes averted)

**kingwilly** · 09-05-2009, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Narrow hips are going to lead to difficulty giving birth so The waist /hip ration is considered a genetic marker for ABILITY TO GIVE SUCCESSFUL BIRTH .

not quite correct.

narrow or wide hips are mainly due to the angle flat part of the hip bone pointing more or less outwards.

no effect on the birth canal size.

i'll look for a pic to help show.

**kingwilly** · 09-05-2009, 07:40 PM

so that round pointy bit bends outwards more = large hips.

inwards more = less proncounced hips.

the birth canal, not quite visible is not effected by this

**Jet Gorgon** · 09-05-2009, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

Surely, the more advantaged are the ones that will (in most cases) prosper? Very difficult to prosper with no education, which is what a lot of the population of the world is still faced with.

Define "prosper", NR. You don't need to be advantaged or educated in the school sense to prosper in terms of contentment or even riches. Lots of Western folk are "advantaged" and "educated" and they don't seem to be prospering in any sense to me. You are "advantaged" and "educated", so are you prospering?

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Success is in the mind. You will never be successful if you are not content with yourself. And the richest person is one who can deal with any situation and never lose sight of him/herself nor lose his/her own contentment

Nice ideaology. Not sure how it applies to people who have had real struggles in their lives, though. And I don't mean the sort of things that any of us on TD have had to deal with. I mean real hardship.

How do you know what any of us have "really" dealt with or how those things "really" affected us? Real struggles, real hardship...define that, please. If you want to simplify it in Red Cross terms, what's worse, NR, being homeless on the streets of Calcutta or the streets of Vancouver? How does that relate to feminism? Don't the boys count?

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

What's the point of your argument then? Do you argue for one viewpoint but live another? Pretty hypocritical innit?

No, I learnt by my mistake. Seeing as you were the one that pointed out my mistake, I'm surprised by your response.

Why is it a mistake? Did the femis tell you so?

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

In addition, the "personal info" difference here NR is that you have told the whole board several times about your situation; the info about me that I entrusted to you was via pm, not blabbed to the whole board.

In both cases, yours & mine, the personal info I refer to was 'blabbed to the whole board', not put in pm.

Come again? I told you that private info via pm. You broadcast it. The only really personal info I ever posted myself (that was not divulged from pm info) was about a charity I volunteer for -- Sabang (I recollect) picked up on it, saying he couldn't believe Jettie the b*tch was so kind (sadly, SB, the lady I visited passed away). I won't do that info-share again because I don't need to ingratiate myself among members. What I donate my funds or time to is between me, my gods and the folks I give it to.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

And where are you now, NR?

What is your problem with where my life is or isn't going? It's not relevant to this debate. I'm where I need to be at this time. OK?

Don't you practice what you preach? You back the feminist cause, but are you actually living it?
IMO, femis are so busy spouting sh*t, they don't have time to "prosper" or do anything constructive. And if you're so worried about the plight of chicks overseas, how come we don't see something like "British Feminists Campaign for Better Rights for Women in Afghanistan" or "American Feminists Campaign for Better Rights for Women in Iraq". Any femis doing work in those countries? How about in Thailand?

**Jet Gorgon** · 10-05-2009, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by hafiz

(eyes averted)

It's OK, NR is my bud. We are sharing differences of opinion.

**November Rain** · 12-05-2009, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Come again? I told you that private info via pm. You broadcast it.

Just to clear my name, these threads (and other random posts in other threads) were why I thought it OK to tell PH to lay off you, as you were going through a bad time. I apologised then and I'll apologise again, now. But I'm not happy with you accusing me of broadcasting private info or intimating you never put anything personal on the board.
https://teakdoor.com/members-only/257...ess-twats.html (Thoughtless Twats)

https://teakdoor.com/members-only/256...-hospital.html
https://teakdoor.com/members-only/27118-family-help.html (Family Help)

Sorry to post those, but I really don't like being accused of things I didn't do.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

It's OK, NR is my bud. We are sharing differences of opinion

Yeah, I think Obs (I'm assuming hafiz is his latest nik) is just trying to stir up more strife, seeing as he doesn't like either of us.

**Jet Gorgon** · 13-05-2009, 03:14 AM

^ Those aren't the issue I was talking about. I meant personal about me -- the info about my Sis is different -- understand you view that as personal. We discussed this point later via pm also.
Anyway, good way to steer the conversation off topic.

**nedwalk** · 13-05-2009, 03:58 AM

woohooo cat fight... mind if i grab a beer and cheer in the corner

**Jet Gorgon** · 13-05-2009, 04:09 AM

^ Fek, it's been going on for pages -- where you been?

**nedwalk** · 13-05-2009, 04:43 AM

working/drinking/working/drinking adinfininum..and stuff

**November Rain** · 13-05-2009, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Those aren't the issue I was talking about. I meant personal about me -- the info about my Sis is different -- understand you view that as personal. We discussed this point later via pm also.
Anyway, good way to steer the conversation off topic.

The only other thing was something you misconstrued as being a jibe towards you when it wasn't. No information was given by me at all, but you thought it a jibe because of something you had told me before when that thing hadn't even entered my head when posting. If you still don't believe I didn't mean it, then that's up to you, but to insinuate I blabbed about something, when I didn't say anything meaningfully hurtful or indeed anything that could be picked up by someone else is untrue & unfair.

I'm not steering the conversation off topic. Your argument isn't worth debating, that's all. I picked up a quote of yours about men & women and was debating that, as a statement. You keep trying to muddy the waters by bringing my personal situation, my integrity and feminism into the debate about that one statement. The only part of that which I cared enough to go further into was my integrity.

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