Teakdoor members meet to discuss feminazis.

**MustavaMond** · 03-05-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Brainwashed tit is what you are. I made my own way and I ain't a feminist. I'm a woman and a person who knows what I want and who also works to get it without demanding or expecting free breaks. Same for my Granma and my Mom. Feminists never helped me; in fact, I used to get attacked by uncouth slobbie fems when I worked on the uni newspaper. You don't get rights when you have no respect for others and demand comp for yourself just coz you're a chick.

Sounds like a feminist to me...

Can you consider, if it weren't for feminist ideals, you wouldn't be allowed to make your "own way" , own property, vote or even use birth control much less contemplate getting an abortion ?
You do realize that all these were illegal for women not too long ago?

**Attilla the Hen** · 03-05-2009, 11:49 AM

Women's rights are what men have been willing to give you.
Don't forget that.

**Norton** · 03-05-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

Childcare laws in the workplace are not geared towards men in most cases. Childcare support in the community is not geared towards men. I think a man doing this would find it far harder than he anticipated and might end up regretting his choice or even (God forbid!) resenting the child.

Indeed. Far from a level playing field as it relates to gender equality!

Originally Posted by Norton

Both the goose and the gander acted in unison to conceive the child so seems only fair the gander have equal rights.

**November Rain** · 03-05-2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

As you express belief in right to abortions I would say our views are similar.

I believe in rights to abortion to an extent. I don't believe it should be used instead of contraception or, strangely enough, considering my debate with Norts, when the father is opposed.

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

So calling me a horse's ass

That's Horse Dr's new nik.

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

and references to needing medication is puzzling

I said that I wondered if you were part of the same person. Hence medication might be needed.

Originally Posted by Norton

Indeed. Far from a level playing field as it relates to gender equality!

And that is a point to take into account. Not everything will change - even if one law did.

**phuketbound** · 03-05-2009, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

Women's rights are what men have been willing to give you.
Don't forget that.

haha! Yeah right. Woman have fought for their own rights throughout the centuries.

MustavaMond

Can you consider, if it weren't for feminist ideals, you wouldn't be allowed to make your "own way" , own property, vote or even use birth control much less contemplate getting an abortion ?
You do realize that all these were illegal for women not too long ago?

Did you know that feminists are women, and not ideals. They are women who have fought for their rights, and independence to be equal to men.

**November Rain** · 03-05-2009, 09:31 PM

^ Yes, feminists are people (not always women, but often).

Feminist ideals are the ideals (or rights, as you state) that they fought for and/or uphold. So, MM, was correct in his (?) phrasing.

**NickA** · 04-05-2009, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by phuketbound

Did you know that feminists are women, and not ideals. They are women who have fought for their rights, and independence to be equal to men.

Yeah, yeah..... and they have tits in their avatar.... yeah.... girl power

**MustavaMond** · 04-05-2009, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by NickA

Originally Posted by phuketbound

Did you know that feminists are women, and not ideals. They are women who have fought for their rights, and independence to be equal to men.

Yeah, yeah..... and they have tits in their avatar.... yeah.... girl power

So Phuketbound can't have "tits" in an avatar AND subscribe to feminist ideals?

Another and powerful way feminists are maligned; sexuality and equality are to be mutually exclusive, less "girls" gain the advantage?

**plorf** · 04-05-2009, 02:18 PM

^ It's always the others isn't ? The men, society.. if I'm not mistaken it's the feminists themselves who aggressively approach women who dress sexy and call them "sexualised" and/or reduced to sex symbols... Not realising it might actually be a great thing for women to be free enough not having to walk aroundin Burqas and making tons of cash appearing in underwear in an advert. Not sure if a male model in underwear is fully appreciated for his intelligence or any other quality he might or might not have either... So why whine about reducing models to their bodies if it's their job to do just that ?
I believe the biggest problem for feminists nowadays is that they can't accept other women - and men, who have different ideas and role models about life and their personal understanding of gender equality. Intolerant, nazi like, ideology about (not) wearing a bra, (not) having relationships with men etc are not very helpful in a respectful discourse. And as long as I don't hear a single feminist call for mandatory militaryservice for women too, or at least pay taxes like the men who are unwilling/unable to go, I take feminists just as that, extreme advocates for their own benefit without any real interest in gender equality. 70% of victims of sexual abuse and violence by their spouses are women and get 99% of all the media attention, government funds etc. And when the 30% ask for equal treatment they get screamed down by "the real victims of society" and get ridiculed ("what sort of a man are you, getting beaten up by your wife?") by feminists who pretends to fight against just these prejudices.. All a bit silly really, and the very reason why I can't take self-proclaimed feminists seriously.

**Jet Gorgon** · 04-05-2009, 02:29 PM

^ Agree. More on this femi stuff from me later.

**November Rain** · 04-05-2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

So Phuketbound can't have "tits" in an avatar AND subscribe to feminist ideals?

It would be nice if she made up her mind what she is. She said she was a feminist in News threads like the Hooters one, but denies it in this one. If she decides what she is, then it'll be a step forward. BTW, she doesn't seem to know what 'feminist ideals' are...

Originally Posted by phuketbound

Did you know that feminists are women, and not ideals.

**NickA** · 04-05-2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

So Phuketbound can't have "tits" in an avatar AND subscribe to feminist ideals?

Errr... no, she can't.

**lob** · 04-05-2009, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dug

It's a womans 'right' to murder an unborn child?
Where did you get that idea?
For the sake of this argument leaving aside the issues of severely malformed or handicapped babies and of endangered mothers, but talking simply about inconvenient pregnancies.

RAPE!!

**Jet Gorgon** · 05-05-2009, 05:04 AM

Feminists have done nothing for me or the past three generations of the females in my family who have all had intelligence, determination and wiles. Any woman who possessed these qualities didn't need a bunch of shrieking suffragettes to fight for their "rights". They were the real decision-makers in the household, they controlled the purse strings, they didn't need to have a vote or special rights because they could use their brains and their female charms to get whatever they wanted, including shaping the minds and thoughts of their husbands and their male friends, those of whom could vote (remember, it used to only be land owners). Fine, the shrieking femis fought for "our" cause and got the limpy lefty men to feel sorry for them, and proclaimed that all women deserve the same rights as all men. Fek that, just in the same way that stupid men do not deserve the same rights as intelligent men.
I have always laughed at femis. They have always despised me because I didn't feel guilty about being a woman and I used whatever weapons I had at my disposal to get what I wanted. The femi group at uni figured I was using my looks to excel. Wrongo, chickies. How you present yourself is important if you want to get a job or a career (who wants to hire a slob with her boobs hanging down) and it's just part of the package. It's actually a bennie to look good, coz then some men and many women automatically think you are stupid. Way easier to fek with those types.
I hate femis as much as I abhor unions. I don't need to join a gang to get where I want to go.

**Cujo** · 05-05-2009, 08:47 AM

Bloody hell, a century thread, I thought the pic might have garnered a few giggles and then dropped out of sight. Thanks Mustava.

**MustavaMond** · 05-05-2009, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

"Feminists have done nothing for me or the past three generations of the females in my family who have all had intelligence, determination and wiles.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

"

Yes, they were feminists.

Any woman who possessed these qualities didn't need a bunch of shrieking suffragettes to fight for their "rights". They were the real decision-makers in the household, they controlled the purse strings,

they didn't need to have a vote or special rights

So voting is a special right for women?

because they could use their brains and their female charms to get whatever they wanted, including shaping the minds and thoughts of their husbands and their male friends, those of whom could vote (remember, it used to only be land owners). Fine, the shrieking femis fought for "our" cause and got the limpy lefty men to feel sorry for them, and proclaimed that all women deserve the same rights as all men. Fek that, just in the same way that
stupid men do not deserve the same rights as intelligent men.

So you're an elitist ?

I have always laughed at femis. They have always despised me because I didn't feel guilty about being a woman

YOu really think feminists feel " guilty " to be female? You are either confused or just plain obtuse.

and I used whatever weapons I had at my disposal to get what I wanted. The femi group at uni figured I was using my looks to excel.

Wrongo, chickies.

A direct contradiction, do you use every ' Weapon at your disposal" like your looks , or not- chickie?

So then your appearance IS a weapon to be aimed at men to get what you want?

How you present yourself is important if you want to get a job or a career (who wants to hire a slob with her boobs hanging down) and it's just part of the package.

This package, yourself- is a commodity then? And the shape of " Boobs" is an important feature?

It's actually a bennie to look good, coz then some men and many women automatically think you are stupid.

Way easier to fek with those types.

So, "Way easier to fek with those types." is a goal of yours?

Not you're not stupid, but worse-lacking in humanity .

I hate femis as much as I abhor unions. I don't need to join a gang to get where I want to go

"

Well you certainly are a mass of contradictions whilst you take advantage of every single right afforded you by the hard work of feminists past.

If you were an unattractive "chickie" , I'm sure your life would not be so easy through your manipulative use of your appearance and you'd think quite differently.

As you've been inculcated into believing that " femis" are a demonic threat to you, and as someone who prostitutes her looks as "a weapon, " I'd say yes, the feminist idealists would ridicule you and I doubt you'd be invited to join their " Gang"

Feminists want to love men, not use them- and for men to not fear , but love them too.

Gorgon; a hideous creature when gazed upon, turns the observer into stone .

**Rural Surin** · 05-05-2009, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by November Rain

^ Yes, feminists are people (not always women, but often).

Feminist ideals are the ideals (or rights, as you state) that they fought for and/or uphold. So, MM, was correct in his (?) phrasing.

Feminists are political inventions. Indoctrinated clones.

**MustavaMond** · 05-05-2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by plorf

^ It's always the others isn't ? The men, society.. if I'm not mistaken it's the feminists themselves who aggressively approach women who dress sexy and call them "sexualised" and/or reduced to sex symbols... Not realising it might actually be a great thing for women to be free enough not having to walk aroundin Burqas and making tons of cash appearing in underwear in an advert. Not sure if a male model in underwear is fully appreciated for his intelligence or any other quality he might or might not have either... So why whine about reducing models to their bodies if it's their job to do just that ?

And I'm not saying that at all. Sexuality is important and PhuketBound can use "tits" in her avator,
Nick A is saying she ".. Can't "
He's the one telling her she can't be a feminist AND sexy at the same time, not me.

I think the problem arises when women are valued on their appearance alone.

when they are degradated as sex toys and not sex partners

I believe the biggest problem for feminists nowadays is that they can't accept other women - and men, who have different ideas and role models about life and their personal understanding of gender equality. Intolerant, nazi like, ideology about (not) wearing a bra, (not) having relationships with men etc are not very helpful in a respectful discourse.....

You're saying feminists are bigots ? Well I suppose some are, they are just people after all-just like on this forum many can't tolerate other opinions ...
She should have the choice whether to wear a bra, if it weren't unacceptable , if breasts weren't stigmatized as some sort of genitalia, I believe more women would not wear bras. Aren't they uncomfortable? ( especially in hot climates?)
Like corsets were?

And it is outright anti- feminist propaganda when you state feminists don't ,"... want to have relationships with men."

NOT TRUE
I know dozens of feminists , both sexes and their relationships are enviable loving and open, equal partnerships

and to state such misinformation is what's NOT "... helpful in a respectful discourse."

As for war and conscription , NO ONE should be forced to fight.

The day women are forced to fight in wars, will be the day wars end .

**Cujo** · 05-05-2009, 09:33 AM

She should have the choice whether to wear a bra, if it werent unaceptable , if breasts werent stigmatized as some sort of genitalia , I believe more women would not wear bras.

I think I speak for all the males on here when I say we wholeheartedly agree women shouldn't wear bras.

**MustavaMond** · 05-05-2009, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dug

Bloody hell, a century thread, I thought the pic might have garnered a few giggles and then dropped out of sight. Thanks Mustava.

It's distressing to witness the decline of women's equality- and it is retreating.
For too long those who seek to cast aspersions on feminists have been allowed to with no contradictive discourse.

So, thank you for giving us all the opportunity to have this discussion.

**MustavaMond** · 05-05-2009, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Dug

She should have the choice whether to wear a bra, if it werent unaceptable , if breasts werent stigmatized as some sort of genitalia , I believe more women would not wear bras.

I think I speak for all the males on here when I say we wholeheartedly agree women shouldn't wear bras.

See! There is always a common ground !!

(And so, some "tits" will be on it.)

**Jet Gorgon** · 05-05-2009, 12:14 PM

Musty, you are amusing, but then most jerky mannequins are. I'm a chick, but most importantly, I am a human with a working brain, unlike you; I think, I excel, and I focus on doing well. I am not a programmed robot like you.

**plorf** · 05-05-2009, 02:52 PM

I think the problem arises when women are valued on their appearance alone.

Why is that a problem ? Many women focus their whole existance on looks, why should I value a girl that never bothered much about education, is a selfish spoilt brat with shopping as her only hobby for anything else than her looks ?
That's all she got in my eyes. I will however most certainly appreciate it when surprisingly something intelligent comes out of her mouth..

when they are degradated as sex toys and not sex partners

Again, always 2 needed for a degradation if no force involved,
and what if 2 people interact only on a sexual level, and therefore only appreciate each other for that quality ? Just because you don't want to be a sex toy doesn't mean others care.

You're saying feminists are bigots ? Well I suppose some are, they are just people after all-just like on this forum many can't tolerate other opinions ...

Of course they are, and I will go so far as to say that every single feminist is a bigot as long as none of them advocates truly equal rights with everything that comes with it unconditionally, and that is to accept civil duties like military service, even if women, like many men, don't like it.

She should have the choice whether to wear a bra, if it weren't unacceptable , if breasts weren't stigmatized as some sort of genitalia, I believe more women would not wear bras. Aren't they uncomfortable? ( especially in hot climates?)
Like corsets were?

Wake up, not wearing a bra is rather commonplace and the Nudist movement has existed for centuries, it's typical feminist stupidity to suggest that men like breast because it's a social stigma to show them and not because it's simply a biological trait..

And it is outright anti- feminist propaganda when you state feminists don't ,"... want to have relationships with men."

argh... please don't get so excited before you actually read and understood my sentence. The point clearly was that feminists and "socially progressive women" clearly often disagree with each other and take an extremist stance in advocating their arguments. (which are among others: whether or not to wear a bra, have a normal relationship with men vs. consider them sperm donators etc etc)

And I don't think a general respectful discourse with extremists of any kind is very helpful or even necessary. Contain and ridicule them and have a general discussion with more moderate, reasonable people.

As for war and conscription , NO ONE should be forced to fight.

The day women are forced to fight in wars, will be the day wars end .

Funny idea really, typical propaganda, ever looked in the direction of China, Israel, Iran ?

Welcome to reality, feminist.

**GRUMPY** · 05-05-2009, 03:39 PM

20% of married women claim to be the victims of spousal abuse....

The other 80% have learnt their lesson and keep their mouths shut

**plorf** · 05-05-2009, 04:22 PM

^registered just to say that, respect!

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