Thread: Could we actually be descendants of an Alien Species ?

Originally Posted by bkkmadness

are standard moral rules that we should all agree with.

maybe it's more than morale rules, it could actually be survival rules

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

I'm all for freedom of thought, it makes everything so much more interesting.

freedom of thought without guidance is also a dangerous thing,

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot were all free thinkers, so free that they thought they could be thought gods and teach others,

Regarding the ten commandments and the thou shalt not kill etc.. There are non religious people that would agree with them also.

Even today's non religious people have to a degree had their morals set by religious societies haven't they?

And yes beliefs of course should not be enforced, but to widen our scope of thought, a reading of the various religious texts would be useful I think. Much like a reading of all the other great literature in the world is useful.

I read the Bible and it was crap, not a scratch on Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.

Hmm... Not bad Bob.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

first let me say that I have protected this plot line concept through copy right and also registered with WGAE (Writers Guild of America East) I will not divulge much more than this teaser of my plot in it's current literary form....

not sure you could claim some kind of copyright as those ideas have been floating around for ages, nothing new

frigging internet has been down all day......

most certainly I can.....and yes it most certainly is a new perspective....I did quite a bit of research on this theory, I'd be interested in any links you know of that follow exactly this line of thinking and apply this sort of theory in this context since you claim it has been mentioned numerous times before.

I discovered even that the US military believe that maybe the Alien sightings are in deed humans but from our future traveled back in time but I have never seen a theory that suggests they are evolved humans, in essence our 'parents' living in the same time as us, only evolved way beyond us..

besides my material is unique as you don't know the content, context or the primary plot behind my book as it obviously contains a story behind it which is unique and that is what is legally protected..

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

I'm all for freedom of thought, it makes everything so much more interesting.

freedom of thought without guidance is also a dangerous thing,

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot were all free thinkers, so free that they thought they could be thought gods and teach others,

so BOob personalities right then?? to paraphrase my friend Keda.. I see his lips moving but yet his voice is muted...and rightfully so since he has nothing of intellect to contribute only mindless, juvenile flames..

I embellished a bit there Keda..

Originally Posted by DrB0b

It's not impossible to think that it might be true, people can think all sorts of stuff but that doesn't mean it's correct. After all, Frank Baum imagined the Land of Oz but that doesn't mean it exists. The reason it's very unlikely that humans came from outer space is that we are too closely related, genetically and biochemically to too many other species not to have evolved on earth.

There is speculation that the original building-blocks of life did come from space but very few people take seriously the idea that full-fledged intelligences populated the earth. The evidence against that idea is overwhelming.

The idea that man should be in harmony with nature is a strange one, man is an intelligent tool-using animal who has evolved to control nature, not to be a fundamental part of it. Self-destructive tendencies are not particularly unnatural either, they rise from the common human attitude of "what happens if I do this?". There is no reason to suppose that any aliens would be much different to us in that tendency.

Progress is not a linear thing, it's geometric. It took us a long time to discover fire, not so long a time after that to discover agriculture, and an even shorter time after that to invent towns and cities, then the wheel, and suddenly we had things like leisured classes, scholars, writing, priests, government, taxes, astronomy and mathematics, and "bang!" off we go. Progress builds on what went before and accelerates, it's no surprise at all that the last 100 years or the last 2000 years prodeced more technological advances than the entire Stone Age. Perhaps one day it'll stop or we'll end up destroying ourselves through our curiosity.

I'm not aware of any strong evidence that we came from outer space, what is it, and what are the artifacts that may have come from space? If we found a fusion reactor or a plasma gun underneath a Mayan pyramid I might be willing to be convinced but so far I've only seen things like lemon-juice powered batteries for electroplating from Baghdad or dodgy Mayan murals that fraudsters like Von daniken claim show people piloting space-ships.

The only "evidence" I'm aware of that's even remotely compelling is the Dogon people's insistence that they came from Sirius B, a star that's not visible to the naked eye and one that's hard to imagine the Dogon people knowing about before the rise of modern astronomy.

says the wizard himself..... he's passed down the edict all can go home now, no further debate required...

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by DrB0b

It's not impossible to think that it might be true, people can think all sorts of stuff but that doesn't mean it's correct. After all, Frank Baum imagined the Land of Oz but that doesn't mean it exists. The reason it's very unlikely that humans came from outer space is that we are too closely related, genetically and biochemically to too many other species not to have evolved on earth.

There is speculation that the original building-blocks of life did come from space but very few people take seriously the idea that full-fledged intelligences populated the earth. The evidence against that idea is overwhelming.

The idea that man should be in harmony with nature is a strange one, man is an intelligent tool-using animal who has evolved to control nature, not to be a fundamental part of it. Self-destructive tendencies are not particularly unnatural either, they rise from the common human attitude of "what happens if I do this?". There is no reason to suppose that any aliens would be much different to us in that tendency.

Progress is not a linear thing, it's geometric. It took us a long time to discover fire, not so long a time after that to discover agriculture, and an even shorter time after that to invent towns and cities, then the wheel, and suddenly we had things like leisured classes, scholars, writing, priests, government, taxes, astronomy and mathematics, and "bang!" off we go. Progress builds on what went before and accelerates, it's no surprise at all that the last 100 years or the last 2000 years prodeced more technological advances than the entire Stone Age. Perhaps one day it'll stop or we'll end up destroying ourselves through our curiosity.

I'm not aware of any strong evidence that we came from outer space, what is it, and what are the artifacts that may have come from space? If we found a fusion reactor or a plasma gun underneath a Mayan pyramid I might be willing to be convinced but so far I've only seen things like lemon-juice powered batteries for electroplating from Baghdad or dodgy Mayan murals that fraudsters like Von daniken claim show people piloting space-ships.

The only "evidence" I'm aware of that's even remotely compelling is the Dogon people's insistence that they came from Sirius B, a star that's not visible to the naked eye and one that's hard to imagine the Dogon people knowing about before the rise of modern astronomy.

says the wizard himself..... he's passed down the edict all can go home now, no further debate required...

Could we actually be... 03-11-2008 04:56 PM DrivingForce typically pretentious and pompous diatribe with no use from a half witted moron..

Are you actually able to respond to the above post? Show us where it's pretentious or half-witted. It's written in simple English so you should have no difficulty pointing out exactly what's wrong with it.

For all. This site will be of interest re the OP. Lots of scientific stuff re "intelligent life" and probability.

We Are Not Alone - Or Are We?

Here's a quote from it.

The scientists don't argue that life is rare. In fact, recent evidence showing simple microbial life can survive extreme conditions on Earth is an indicator that such life also might be widespread in the galaxy and the universe.
"But you need to have a vast amount of time to let evolution ramp up to animals, and we think there are only a small number of planets where that could happen," said Ward.
The key, he said, is having near equilibrium in such things as temperature and water content over enormous time spans.
Microbes have shown they can live in some of the harshest Earth environments imaginable, while advanced plant and animal life requires a delicate balance of conditions.
"For 90 percent of the age of this planet, life was slime at the bottom of the ocean," Brownlee said. But that life was given a one-in-a-million opportunity to gradually evolve to the complexity it enjoys today.
"The underlying theme of the book is that the Earth is a very charmed planet," he said. "We know of no other body that is even remotely like Earth."
Factors that made advanced life possible include the Earth's having:
* The proper distance from the sun to allow development of habitat for complex life and ensure that water remains liquid, not vapor or ice.
* The proper mass to retain atmosphere and ocean.
* Plate tectonics, which act as a sort of atmospheric thermostat, build land masses and enhance biotic diversity.
* A neighbor the size of Jupiter, not too close and not too far away, that can use its gravity to protect the planet from too many life-extinguishing collisions with comets and asteroids.
* A stable orbit unperturbed by giant planets.
* A large moon at the right distance to stabilize tilt, thus ensuring seasonal climate fluctuations that are not too severe.
* Enough carbon to support development of life but not so much to allow for runaway greenhouse conditions.

The "charmed" conditions on Earth won't always be present. Someday, some way, evolution on Earth will end. That could be when the sun gets so hot that life can no longer survive, when ultimately the ocean boils and surface rocks melt.
"There will be a time when there will be no record of life ever having existed on Earth," Brownlee said.

That's heavy.

What's to suggest we were the FIRST or even near the FIRST charmed atmosphere?
What are the odds of that with billions of planets and stars and rocks out there?

The distances in space are almost unimaginable. If life exists elsewhere, we'll never know it. We'll have self destructed (probably) or our sun will die before the first encounter.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

"We know of no other body that is even remotely like Earth."

this is as broad ranging a statement as anything else he said... especially since we can't even get a manned mission past our own moon at this point in time....

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

"There will be a time when there will be no record of life ever having existed on Earth," Brownlee said.

that's why we should focus on space exploration instead of wasting time and money with wars and silly religious questions,

Originally Posted by Norton

That is, the Earth and our evolution over a few billion years being in coincidence with another planet having the same.

that's probably the most interesting point in this whole debate, but since time and space are one, it's not impossible to think that traveling back and forth in space and time would mean that a superior species could meet us in one of their traveling plan

that's why we should focus on space exploration instead of wasting time and money with wars and silly religious questions,

Better move from Europe then ... they're too tightly focused on how to maintain the status quo.

Space is a waste in most surveys among Euros. The vision of a Mayfly.

^ And the only people willing to make the long, dangerous, journey to setup anew on a foreign planatoid would prolly be the religious nutters.

Very true.