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    If we were indeed "manufactured" by a superior species, and that the "experiment" was abandoned, then it could very well explained our obsession about finding out where we come from and who is our "father" ? a bit like an abandoned child looking for his mother, or attention from an adult

    we are only the only animal looking up the sky ? why is that ? not even our close cousins, the monkeys, do that, and they are quite smart and organized in society with code and rules, and yet they don't worship anyone

    Are we the only animals to believe in something like that ? shouldn't we be the gods ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    An excellent topic, Butterfly. We could use some thought-provoking threads on this forum, so it's sad when members ridicule you for thinking outside the box with an interesting theory on human origins. It says much more about their intellectual insecurity and rigidity than it does about your ideas.
    totally agree and I see that BOOb has contributed nothing of substance but his usual bombastic, mindless, ridiculing which is one reason I won't participate. sad too as I have some very enlightening view points on this topic but won't reveal them to such abstractly challenged intellects..

    Actually I was blown away to see this topic as I have recently begun composing a suspenseful science fiction thriller on this very topic (20 some chapters to this point) and have a very unique perspective which this thread is reinforcing, so I'm quite enjoying reading the individual perspectives, don't allow closed minded ignoramouses such as him to interfere with the flow.. carry on gents and any ladies too who might join in..

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    Be interested to hear your thoughts on the subject. Don't deny us DF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    I have some very enlightening view points on this topic but won't reveal them to such abstractly challenged intellects..
    sounds very much like something driventowin posted before he flounced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    If we were indeed "manufactured" by a superior species, and that the "experiment" was abandoned, then it could very well explained our obsession about finding out where we come from and who is our "father" ? a bit like an abandoned child looking for his mother, or attention from an adult

    we are only the only animal looking up the sky ? why is that ? not even our close cousins, the monkeys, do that, and they are quite smart and organized in society with code and rules, and yet they don't worship anyone

    Are we the only animals to believe in something like that ? shouldn't we be the gods ?
    first let me say that I have protected this plot line concept through copy right and also registered with WGAE (Writers Guild of America East) I will not divulge much more than this teaser of my plot in it's current literary form....

    ok the truth so here it is..since you're already getting so close...

    They ARE our 'parents' we are their 'children'...they are several thousand years advanced of us in evolution and techonology, but of human DNA and we have been placed here originally as an experiment to study their own evolution as there is no other way for them to do it...and it is human nature to study such things but where we now use computer animations and such they possess the technology to produce and study an actual evolution in it's real time presence by 'fertilizing' this planet with their own DNA.

    It is reasonable to suggest based on our current primitive intellect relatively speaking (especially BOob) of what we might be in 3 or 4 thousand more years and it is not impossible that they have mastered cloning and stem cells and all of our current cutting edge technologies long ago as well as common long distance space travel just like a trip across the country or around the world was once several months long for us so is space travel now a mere trip to the corner grocery store for them..whether it's through folding space or whatever we may not even yet understand..

    they can now distiguish their more evolved DNA from pre-evolved DNA and thus begin an entirely new population here on Earth to study and guide like our own parents would. but with the intention of non interference so as not to contaminate the results..

    They are not humans from the future in the sense of time travel but only in the sense of being evolved way beyond us, just as we are way beyond our past ancestors but they still live in this time same as us... that's my perception...

    And Bkk Maddy your right on too, I have long believed all of that and my current book flows so well it pretty much all fits every single explanation and answers virtually all of these questions we have, all the pieces fit like a well oiled machine....

    for any more and you'll have to buy the book when
    it comes out..

    It will be worth it...... actually i'm looking for a high end collaborator to help me polish it and have some creative input also a quality editor and publisher if anyone has any contacts i'd like to talk seriously about networking PM me please. I am very confident that my approach is a potentially a big win in the literary world if done with top quality agents involved and this thread just serves to reinforce that impression..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jizzybloke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    I have some very enlightening view points on this topic but won't reveal them to such abstractly challenged intellects..
    sounds very much like something driventowin posted before he flounced!
    i don't know driventowin but he sounds like a snappy fellow then..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Prove it.

    There are techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge based on observable, empirical and measurable evidence. Hypotheses evolve and theories result. Full disclosure allows statistical measures of the reliability. There are some people in the world who believe nothing unless you can prove it through the scientific method. Repeatable, valid, verifiable.

    Then there are the starry-eyed dreamers in tye-dyed T-shirts, smoking groovy ganja who come up with weird ideas inspired by a gut feeling and a guitar. They're fast and loose with logic and laws.

    I know which group my money's on.
    so you don't believe the sound barrier can be broken then??

    of course it can, but the theory was way ahead of our ability to prove it and many thought it would only result in popping out the eyes of anyone that tried until IT WAS DONE!! then they went on to break mach II etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
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    They were initially ridiculed by people like yourself
    Whoa, there pardner ... put a hitch in yer giddyup.

    Did I say one group was better at predicting or explaining these phenomenon?

    Cartoonists and sci-fi writers practically wrote the script 50 years before the Moon shot. Both groups have their strengths and faults.
    Tex i don't agree with everything you've said here but this is seriously in line with some of what I have noted too.. I wanted just to green you for it, but can't do right now...

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    The Grooved Ware people from the British Isles, existing before 3,000 years B.C. understood complex astrology, were pagans, and constructed Henge sites to conduct ritual worship.
    The architecture of the henge sites pre-dates history, and is beyond explanation for that time period, and thus some Freemasonry scholars believe that it was the migration of these prehistoric British peoples around the World that led to the building of the Pyramids and other such architectural marvels.

    So rather than a visit from alien species another likely explanation is a diaspora of more intelligent humans spreading throughout the World.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud
    So rather than a visit from alien species another likely explanation is a diaspora of more intelligent humans spreading throughout the World.
    yeah so where did they come from and where did they go if they were so smart?? and why were they so much more intelligent for the time??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    yeah so where did they come from
    They came from the British Isles.

    Their level of intelligence, religious beliefs, society etc, may have been very advanced for the time but their is no evidence to suggest extra-terrestrial input would have been needed to achieve it.

    Indeed the evidence suggests their advancement was primarily down to their pagan beliefs, which meant thorough study of the skies and thus it's effects on life, their surroundings and the benefits it has for advanced architecture and design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    We could use some thought-provoking threads on this forum
    just wait till this gets going mate! https://teakdoor.com/the-eastern-thai...tml#post820107

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    first let me say that I have protected this plot line concept through copy right and also registered with WGAE (Writers Guild of America East) I will not divulge much more than this teaser of my plot in it's current literary form....
    not sure you could claim some kind of copyright as those ideas have been floating around for ages, nothing new

    another interesting theory is that the spacemen are a sterile species with a dying population. We are their only solutions to "maintain" their DNA pool, hence them "protecting" us on this earth. A few human sample have to be taken from time to time to make sure the DNA batch is in line with the specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    Rats and pigeons have a survival edge, we have gone one step further don't you think?
    As Carl Sagan said, "in order for the humanity to survive, we must be a two planet species". I agree with him. Our quest to move off the Earth is another example of our "survival" skill based on our ability to use complex tools to overcome our lack of physical prowess. Also, I bet there is a cockroach in that guys space suit. They are the champions of survival.

    BTW, I think the pic is a hoax. No stars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by "EmperorTud"
    So rather than a visit from alien species another likely explanation is a diaspora of more intelligent humans spreading throughout the World.
    yeah so where did they come from and where did they go if they were so smart?? and why were they so much more intelligent for the time??
    DF, interesting angle but a few points:

    First, if it's money or a published book you want, the theory or anything close to original, or even the rehash of an existing theory is enough to do both, naturally if written to acceptable though far short of blockbuster standards. Next, if your outline is interesting enough but not your ability to produce the finished work to acceptable standards, any agent or publisher worthy of that title can have it redone by their own or hired hands.

    As to intelligence in the god sense, nothing could be more absurd than a supreme intelligence hovering in absolute nothingness for a literal eternity with a blank mind since there was nothing to think about, suddenly deciding to create a universe. Then, of course, as thought requires energy, and any thought at all would be vy definition supremely intelligent, where could that first spark of intelligent thought possibly have come from?

    I'm interested in many excellent theories, including those proposed in various bibles, but still cannot connect with intelligent design.
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    ^^ I took that pic myself.

    My point is anyway, our intelligence far surpasses anything on this world. If you take any other animal living on Earth you can find a closely related species which is similarly intelligent, or fast, or capable of producing a toxic venom (whatever that animals 'skill' is), but when you look at us, we far outpace anything.

    Our most closely related animal is the Chimpanzee and I know people get all excited when they see it using a stick as a tool to catch termites, but really we are so much more advanced we can farm out own termites, genetically engineer them to make them fatter and more nourishing and then have a robot go and collect them for us.

    It's unnatural in the normal course of evolution for us to be so far removed from any other species on this planet. And if it's not natural then that suggests a strong outside influence on our human evolution I think.

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    As to intelligence in the god sense, nothing could be more absurd than a supreme intelligence hovering in absolute nothingness for a literal eternity with a blank mind since there was nothing to think about, suddenly deciding to create a universe.
    As far as I remember my bible studies, God was said to have created the Earth in seven days (well six really), not the universe. Suggesting to me the universe was here well in place before God come along, and before he cultivated our planet.

    At some point in the future we as humans will be looking to cultivate life on other planets too. If those planets develop intelligent civilisations will we not be looked upon as supreme beings from above that created their world in much the same fashion?

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    I suspect a few TD members use a stick to batter their keyboard, producing nonsensical strings of letters, numbers and symbols. On occasion they whack the mouse, which is sometimes over the "Post Quick Reply" button and Eureka! RC makes another post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Eureka!
    Leading to the question, how did you get bold text with just a stick?

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    I think it's good to discuss different theories about how we came here, it's inspiring and thought provoking whereas religion represses freedom of thought and boxes us in with silly rules, false incentives and deterrents.

    If I ever have children and they ask how we came here, I will say "That's a very interesting question kids, probably the most interesting question ever asked" and go on to explain that the mormons believe this and the Darwinists believe that and that their uncle Nigel is a Christian and what he believes was imposed upon his kids as fact which is why when they grew into teenagers and discovered that they had been denied freedom of thought, they rebelled against it.
    "I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly. It's the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out. I'd rather be in, in a good system. That's where my discontent comes from: being forced to choose to stay outside.
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    whereas religion represses freedom of thought and boxes us in with silly rules, false incentives and deterrents.
    I disagree with this to a certain degree, religious texts can be very thought provoking as long as you come at it from the right angle. And I also think a lot of those rules 'thou shalt not kill, love thy neighbour etc.' are standard moral rules that we should all agree with.

    It's not so much religion that is the problem, it is how religion has been changed and used over the years to control us. But you need to go past that corruption and get to the very core of religion to benefit from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    actually i'm looking for a high end collaborator to help me polish it and have some creative input also a quality editor and publisher if anyone has any contacts i'd like to talk seriously about networking PM me please. I am very confident that my approach is a potentially a big win in the literary world if done with top quality agents involved and this thread just serves to reinforce that impression..
    Before you do that I suggest you learn how to write comprehensible English instead of the convoluted windy trash you normally post. Generally speaking a veneer of intelligence is also highly valued in the publishing world, perhaps you could hire a body double? Otherwise you may have a problem as your ideas, writing style, and lack of originality would embarrass a brain-damged goldfish.
    The Above Post May Contain Strong Language, Flashing Lights, or Violent Scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jizzybloke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    I have some very enlightening view points on this topic but won't reveal them to such abstractly challenged intellects..
    sounds very much like something driventowin posted before he flounced!
    whats a "flounce" BTW?

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    ^It's yet another of the many, many normal English words you don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    actually i'm looking for a high end collaborator to help me polish it and have some creative input also a quality editor
    Before you do that I suggest you learn how to write comprehensible English instead of the convoluted windy trash you normally post. Generally speaking a veneer of intelligence is also highly valued in the publishing world, perhaps you could hire a body double? Otherwise you may have a problem as your ideas, writing style, and lack of originality would embarrass a brain-damged goldfish.
    You've got the job!

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