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    Now there's a thread idea that's never been done before, why do men marry hookers!

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    People react to external stimuli in different ways, based upon their genetic and environmental antecedents.

    Generalisations exist because there's some truth in them. There will always exceptions to the rule, successful marriages with bargirls (relationships based upon mutual respect and "love") do exist but they are in the minority. That's just reality.

    However, the facts of this matter are relatively easily discerned, by the unbiased. A young lady shacking up with a much older, usually unattractive male will be doing so based solely around financial gain and security. It's not romantic love, it is an extended business deal. Therein lies the rub. There's no real attachment. Business is business.

    Do some of these girls grow to love their older guy? Sure they do. Is it always just about the money? Of course not. But it generally will be.

    But these girls have eyes and a brain. They can see their peers, with their young Thai boyfriends. They can compare their situation with others. Such realisations will invariably create conflict and loss within them. These feelings have to go somewhere. A psychological truism, is that you can't run away from yourself. You can deny, ignore, justify, project and displace your own shit, but it goes somewhere else. Always.

    A way of testing this is to see your girls reaction when she is in the company of a young, good looking male, who is successful and confident. Only if her self esteem is at rock bottom (which it might be after "working bar" for a long time) will she fail to show an interest. Loyalty is non-existent in the face of a far better catch.

    Watch her body language (not her eyes). It will tell you all you need to know, if you know what to look for. Most people unfortunately don't. They misinterpret a lot.

    The amount of girls I've met, who had left the bar, but offered me a good time is astounding. They all had farang boyfriends or were married. I've been walking out of foodland on Soi 5 and had offers...one girl invited me back as it was her last night in Thailand. She was off to marry some european the next day! I've had offers from girls all around the Sukhumvit nightlife zones, from ladies who had stopped working and had come back to see their friends in the bar. Boyfriend/husband was supporting them. I know a few who live abroad, but when they return they like to fuck guys here for free, always young guys. Their farang husband never has a clue (he will be told she is back to see her family...reception isn't good etc etc).

    The other scary thing is how many have Thai boyfriends, whether it be mangda or giks, or even long term boyfriends...and then there's the karaoke bars especially for Thai girls to acquire a Thai guy for the night....which the lady has to pay for! A mamasan in a Nana bar told me 60% of her girls have Thai partners. I know quite a few of the ladies concerned and most have admitted to it eventually (a few admitted to being lesbians too!).

    Finally, the golden rule of how long a girl works in the bar is usually a predictor of disturbance and psychological damage. Not always of course, but usually. A bargirl will become systematically desensitised and "hardened". "Cut off" or "split off" are terms used in psychology to describe such a state. Such a person is personality disordered and has the potential to inflict hurt, pain, suffering upon another with no sorrow or regret. It is ironically a coping mechanism, designed to shield the hurt mind, but over time it becomes ingrained and impossible to separate out. The remorseless suffering inflicted upon another is a fraction of the internalised and ingrained loss/pain/hurt the girl has experienced, if you like.

    If you add into the mix of being originally sent out by the family, or in a desperate enough situation requiring a person to sell their body, you've got a mess. Neither of these predicaments warrant a good outcome.

    A final add to the mix is the self loathing and sense of failure a lady will experience when she realises that she is worth nothing, has achieved little and can do little, except work as a whore.

    Now, if you've read all this, you've probably got questions or doubt what I've written. I've skipped lots, favoured brevity over laborious detail and been guilty of generalisations. But...what I've written is true and accurate. Disagree with me? Ok, fine...I'm all up for the debate, conducted in a reasonable manner, but I'm a forensic psychologist and I'm rather good at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    But...what I've written is true and accurate.
    I am sure it is, especially as the places you mention are hangouts for hookers

    the trouble with personal experience as a judgement stick is that it can be very biased

    you have not included the thousands of girls who did not approach you, the ones that were not out to exploit every last farang, who were happy with their farang boyfriend/husband

    but if you want to believe your narrow experience, so be it
    I have reported your post

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    Please re-read. Throughout the piece I said exceptions do apply and I am using generalisations. There are exceptions. I've met a couple. But they are the minority. I remain in bewildered awe of those who make it work with bargirls.

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    You may be in awe of yourself one day.

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    I remain in bewildered awe of those who make it work with bargirls.
    You are in awe of people who form serious lifelong relationships with those who sell their snatch and mouth as cumpipes, simply because they succeed in giving enough so the cumpipes doesn't have to be sold anymore?

    Hmmmmm.

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    Yep, that's about the size of it.

    Why bother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Please re-read. Throughout the piece I said exceptions do apply and I am using generalisations. There are exceptions. I've met a couple. But they are the minority. I remain in bewildered awe of those who make it work with bargirls.
    I'd say you are dealing with a very small % of thai ladies - sure if you deal with bar girls only this is what you will find for the most part. Any lad who is involved with one should keep a short leash on them.

    Found similar experiences as well with attached thai birds blatantly throwing themselves at you for fun. Don't need money from you darling - I have bf or husband money. Personally I try to counsel them that's not right thing to do, but I think it falls on deaf ears.

    I think thai bf myth isn't the case anymore though...sure there is a few that have them, but I think mass majority dont have one.
    nid aur yw popeth melyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
    Nah, come on, the main boards needs people we can laugh at too.
    That would be about half of the people on here then.......laugh or pitty anyway.

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    Well done both of you, actually you both have fair points as well, nice to see an argument that does end up in MKP

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    Above post for racist and larry, stronky dog is just a wank

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    People react to external stimuli in different ways, based upon their genetic and environmental antecedents.

    Generalisations exist because there's some truth in them. There will always exceptions to the rule, successful marriages with bargirls (relationships based upon mutual respect and "love") do exist but they are in the minority. That's just reality.

    However, the facts of this matter are relatively easily discerned, by the unbiased. A young lady shacking up with a much older, usually unattractive male will be doing so based solely around financial gain and security. It's not romantic love, it is an extended business deal. Therein lies the rub. There's no real attachment. Business is business.

    Do some of these girls grow to love their older guy? Sure they do. Is it always just about the money? Of course not. But it generally will be.

    But these girls have eyes and a brain. They can see their peers, with their young Thai boyfriends. They can compare their situation with others. Such realisations will invariably create conflict and loss within them. These feelings have to go somewhere. A psychological truism, is that you can't run away from yourself. You can deny, ignore, justify, project and displace your own shit, but it goes somewhere else. Always.

    A way of testing this is to see your girls reaction when she is in the company of a young, good looking male, who is successful and confident. Only if her self esteem is at rock bottom (which it might be after "working bar" for a long time) will she fail to show an interest. Loyalty is non-existent in the face of a far better catch.

    Watch her body language (not her eyes). It will tell you all you need to know, if you know what to look for. Most people unfortunately don't. They misinterpret a lot.

    The amount of girls I've met, who had left the bar, but offered me a good time is astounding. They all had farang boyfriends or were married. I've been walking out of foodland on Soi 5 and had offers...one girl invited me back as it was her last night in Thailand. She was off to marry some european the next day! I've had offers from girls all around the Sukhumvit nightlife zones, from ladies who had stopped working and had come back to see their friends in the bar. Boyfriend/husband was supporting them. I know a few who live abroad, but when they return they like to fuck guys here for free, always young guys. Their farang husband never has a clue (he will be told she is back to see her family...reception isn't good etc etc).

    The other scary thing is how many have Thai boyfriends, whether it be mangda or giks, or even long term boyfriends...and then there's the karaoke bars especially for Thai girls to acquire a Thai guy for the night....which the lady has to pay for! A mamasan in a Nana bar told me 60% of her girls have Thai partners. I know quite a few of the ladies concerned and most have admitted to it eventually (a few admitted to being lesbians too!).

    Finally, the golden rule of how long a girl works in the bar is usually a predictor of disturbance and psychological damage. Not always of course, but usually. A bargirl will become systematically desensitised and "hardened". "Cut off" or "split off" are terms used in psychology to describe such a state. Such a person is personality disordered and has the potential to inflict hurt, pain, suffering upon another with no sorrow or regret. It is ironically a coping mechanism, designed to shield the hurt mind, but over time it becomes ingrained and impossible to separate out. The remorseless suffering inflicted upon another is a fraction of the internalised and ingrained loss/pain/hurt the girl has experienced, if you like.

    If you add into the mix of being originally sent out by the family, or in a desperate enough situation requiring a person to sell their body, you've got a mess. Neither of these predicaments warrant a good outcome.

    A final add to the mix is the self loathing and sense of failure a lady will experience when she realises that she is worth nothing, has achieved little and can do little, except work as a whore.

    Now, if you've read all this, you've probably got questions or doubt what I've written. I've skipped lots, favoured brevity over laborious detail and been guilty of generalisations. But...what I've written is true and accurate. Disagree with me? Ok, fine...I'm all up for the debate, conducted in a reasonable manner, but I'm a forensic psychologist and I'm rather good at it.

    Nice post, did u cut n paste that from stickman?

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    I agree with scrotum dog's post. Well said, those who don't agree have obviously married a $10 cumpipe, but cannot admit it to themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Please re-read. Throughout the piece I said exceptions do apply and I am using generalisations. There are exceptions. I've met a couple. But they are the minority. I remain in bewildered awe of those who make it work with bargirls.

    I did read it and noted that your generalisations are not, in fact, the general truth

    they are only generalisations for your experience

    others may have a totally different picture from their personal experience, which also may be fallacious

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Now there's a thread idea that's never been done before, why do men marry hookers!
    True that. I don't know... maybe smeg knows...

    smeg?

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    maybe because they are women

    and amongst any group of women are some nice ones worth keeping

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Now there's a thread idea that's never been done before, why do men marry hookers!
    Cause they blow for good !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
    I agree with scrotum dog's post. Well said, those who don't agree have obviously married a $10 cumpipe, but cannot admit it to themselves.
    I am currently paying 15$ for yaba whores on Pattaya Beach Road, could you please tell me where I can pay only 10 $ ?

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    Careful with the yaba whores mate, turn your back on them and they will be through your wallet in a shot.
    Worse than normal Thais when it comes to thievery and that's sayin' something!

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    I am currently paying 15$ for yaba whores on Pattaya Beach Road, could you please tell me where I can pay only 10 $ ?
    Sure, passengers could give you better directions though.

    Make sure they ain't younger than 30 for starters.

    If you still feel yer getting ripped off, just photocopy over half of the 20b notes you give, they won't know the difference. Half price straight off the ba(h)t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Finally, the golden rule of how long a girl works in the bar is usually a predictor of disturbance and psychological damage. Not always of course, but usually. A bargirl will become systematically desensitised and "hardened". "Cut off" or "split off" are terms used in psychology to describe such a state. Such a person is personality disordered and has the potential to inflict hurt, pain, suffering upon another with no sorrow or regret. It is ironically a coping mechanism, designed to shield the hurt mind, but over time it becomes ingrained and impossible to separate out. The remorseless suffering inflicted upon another is a fraction of the internalised and ingrained loss/pain/hurt the girl has experienced, if you like.
    Are you infering that all western women divorcing and fleecing their husbands are ex-bargirls ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Priest View Post
    Careful with the yaba whores mate, turn your back on them and they will be through your wallet in a shot.
    Bollix mate, didn't you read DrAndy's post, there's good decent keepers in every demographic. Just cause she's a drugfuked cumpipe to be used n abused for 100b doesn't mean she ain't possible wifey material.

    Worse than normal Thais when it comes to thievery and that's sayin' something!
    Oh-uh, someone's filled with bitterness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
    I am currently paying 15$ for yaba whores on Pattaya Beach Road, could you please tell me where I can pay only 10 $ ?
    Sure, passengers could give you better directions though.

    Make sure they ain't younger than 30 for starters.

    If you still feel yer getting ripped off, just photocopy over half of the 20b notes you give, they won't know the difference. Half price straight off the ba(h)t.
    Huuhhh...dunno if this is a good advice, color cartridges for inkjet printers are so damned expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Priest View Post
    Careful with the yaba whores mate, turn your back on them and they will be through your wallet in a shot.
    Bollix mate, didn't you read DrAndy's post, there's good decent keepers in every demographic. Just cause she's a drugfuked cumpipe to be used n abused for 100b doesn't mean she ain't possible wifey material.
    damned...I always paid 500

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