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    People react to external stimuli in different ways, based upon their genetic and environmental antecedents.

    Generalisations exist because there's some truth in them. There will always exceptions to the rule, successful marriages with bargirls (relationships based upon mutual respect and "love") do exist but they are in the minority. That's just reality.

    However, the facts of this matter are relatively easily discerned, by the unbiased. A young lady shacking up with a much older, usually unattractive male will be doing so based solely around financial gain and security. It's not romantic love, it is an extended business deal. Therein lies the rub. There's no real attachment. Business is business.

    Do some of these girls grow to love their older guy? Sure they do. Is it always just about the money? Of course not. But it generally will be.

    But these girls have eyes and a brain. They can see their peers, with their young Thai boyfriends. They can compare their situation with others. Such realisations will invariably create conflict and loss within them. These feelings have to go somewhere. A psychological truism, is that you can't run away from yourself. You can deny, ignore, justify, project and displace your own shit, but it goes somewhere else. Always.

    A way of testing this is to see your girls reaction when she is in the company of a young, good looking male, who is successful and confident. Only if her self esteem is at rock bottom (which it might be after "working bar" for a long time) will she fail to show an interest. Loyalty is non-existent in the face of a far better catch.

    Watch her body language (not her eyes). It will tell you all you need to know, if you know what to look for. Most people unfortunately don't. They misinterpret a lot.

    The amount of girls I've met, who had left the bar, but offered me a good time is astounding. They all had farang boyfriends or were married. I've been walking out of foodland on Soi 5 and had offers...one girl invited me back as it was her last night in Thailand. She was off to marry some european the next day! I've had offers from girls all around the Sukhumvit nightlife zones, from ladies who had stopped working and had come back to see their friends in the bar. Boyfriend/husband was supporting them. I know a few who live abroad, but when they return they like to fuck guys here for free, always young guys. Their farang husband never has a clue (he will be told she is back to see her family...reception isn't good etc etc).

    The other scary thing is how many have Thai boyfriends, whether it be mangda or giks, or even long term boyfriends...and then there's the karaoke bars especially for Thai girls to acquire a Thai guy for the night....which the lady has to pay for! A mamasan in a Nana bar told me 60% of her girls have Thai partners. I know quite a few of the ladies concerned and most have admitted to it eventually (a few admitted to being lesbians too!).

    Finally, the golden rule of how long a girl works in the bar is usually a predictor of disturbance and psychological damage. Not always of course, but usually. A bargirl will become systematically desensitised and "hardened". "Cut off" or "split off" are terms used in psychology to describe such a state. Such a person is personality disordered and has the potential to inflict hurt, pain, suffering upon another with no sorrow or regret. It is ironically a coping mechanism, designed to shield the hurt mind, but over time it becomes ingrained and impossible to separate out. The remorseless suffering inflicted upon another is a fraction of the internalised and ingrained loss/pain/hurt the girl has experienced, if you like.

    If you add into the mix of being originally sent out by the family, or in a desperate enough situation requiring a person to sell their body, you've got a mess. Neither of these predicaments warrant a good outcome.

    A final add to the mix is the self loathing and sense of failure a lady will experience when she realises that she is worth nothing, has achieved little and can do little, except work as a whore.

    Now, if you've read all this, you've probably got questions or doubt what I've written. I've skipped lots, favoured brevity over laborious detail and been guilty of generalisations. But...what I've written is true and accurate. Disagree with me? Ok, fine...I'm all up for the debate, conducted in a reasonable manner, but I'm a forensic psychologist and I'm rather good at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    People react to external stimuli in different ways, based upon their genetic and environmental antecedents.

    Generalisations exist because there's some truth in them. There will always exceptions to the rule, successful marriages with bargirls (relationships based upon mutual respect and "love") do exist but they are in the minority. That's just reality.

    However, the facts of this matter are relatively easily discerned, by the unbiased. A young lady shacking up with a much older, usually unattractive male will be doing so based solely around financial gain and security. It's not romantic love, it is an extended business deal. Therein lies the rub. There's no real attachment. Business is business.

    Do some of these girls grow to love their older guy? Sure they do. Is it always just about the money? Of course not. But it generally will be.

    But these girls have eyes and a brain. They can see their peers, with their young Thai boyfriends. They can compare their situation with others. Such realisations will invariably create conflict and loss within them. These feelings have to go somewhere. A psychological truism, is that you can't run away from yourself. You can deny, ignore, justify, project and displace your own shit, but it goes somewhere else. Always.

    A way of testing this is to see your girls reaction when she is in the company of a young, good looking male, who is successful and confident. Only if her self esteem is at rock bottom (which it might be after "working bar" for a long time) will she fail to show an interest. Loyalty is non-existent in the face of a far better catch.

    Watch her body language (not her eyes). It will tell you all you need to know, if you know what to look for. Most people unfortunately don't. They misinterpret a lot.

    The amount of girls I've met, who had left the bar, but offered me a good time is astounding. They all had farang boyfriends or were married. I've been walking out of foodland on Soi 5 and had offers...one girl invited me back as it was her last night in Thailand. She was off to marry some european the next day! I've had offers from girls all around the Sukhumvit nightlife zones, from ladies who had stopped working and had come back to see their friends in the bar. Boyfriend/husband was supporting them. I know a few who live abroad, but when they return they like to fuck guys here for free, always young guys. Their farang husband never has a clue (he will be told she is back to see her family...reception isn't good etc etc).

    The other scary thing is how many have Thai boyfriends, whether it be mangda or giks, or even long term boyfriends...and then there's the karaoke bars especially for Thai girls to acquire a Thai guy for the night....which the lady has to pay for! A mamasan in a Nana bar told me 60% of her girls have Thai partners. I know quite a few of the ladies concerned and most have admitted to it eventually (a few admitted to being lesbians too!).

    Finally, the golden rule of how long a girl works in the bar is usually a predictor of disturbance and psychological damage. Not always of course, but usually. A bargirl will become systematically desensitised and "hardened". "Cut off" or "split off" are terms used in psychology to describe such a state. Such a person is personality disordered and has the potential to inflict hurt, pain, suffering upon another with no sorrow or regret. It is ironically a coping mechanism, designed to shield the hurt mind, but over time it becomes ingrained and impossible to separate out. The remorseless suffering inflicted upon another is a fraction of the internalised and ingrained loss/pain/hurt the girl has experienced, if you like.

    If you add into the mix of being originally sent out by the family, or in a desperate enough situation requiring a person to sell their body, you've got a mess. Neither of these predicaments warrant a good outcome.

    A final add to the mix is the self loathing and sense of failure a lady will experience when she realises that she is worth nothing, has achieved little and can do little, except work as a whore.

    Now, if you've read all this, you've probably got questions or doubt what I've written. I've skipped lots, favoured brevity over laborious detail and been guilty of generalisations. But...what I've written is true and accurate. Disagree with me? Ok, fine...I'm all up for the debate, conducted in a reasonable manner, but I'm a forensic psychologist and I'm rather good at it.

    Nice post, did u cut n paste that from stickman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Finally, the golden rule of how long a girl works in the bar is usually a predictor of disturbance and psychological damage. Not always of course, but usually. A bargirl will become systematically desensitised and "hardened". "Cut off" or "split off" are terms used in psychology to describe such a state. Such a person is personality disordered and has the potential to inflict hurt, pain, suffering upon another with no sorrow or regret. It is ironically a coping mechanism, designed to shield the hurt mind, but over time it becomes ingrained and impossible to separate out. The remorseless suffering inflicted upon another is a fraction of the internalised and ingrained loss/pain/hurt the girl has experienced, if you like.
    Are you infering that all western women divorcing and fleecing their husbands are ex-bargirls ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post

    However, the facts of this matter are relatively easily discerned, by the unbiased. A young lady shacking up with a much older, usually unattractive male will be doing so based solely around financial gain and security. It's not romantic love, it is an extended business deal. Therein lies the rub. There's no real attachment. Business is business.

    The amount of girls I've met, who had left the bar, but offered me a good time is astounding. They all had farang boyfriends or were married. I've been walking out of foodland on Soi 5 and had offers...one girl invited me back as it was her last night in Thailand. She was off to marry some european the next day! I've had offers from girls all around the Sukhumvit nightlife zones, from ladies who had stopped working and had come back to see their friends in the bar. Boyfriend/husband was supporting them. I know a few who live abroad, but when they return they like to fuck guys here for free, always young guys. Their farang husband never has a clue (he will be told she is back to see her family...reception isn't good etc etc).

    The other scary thing is how many have Thai boyfriends, whether it be mangda or giks, or even long term boyfriends..
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    DrAndy is always hypesensitives when he reads posts like this.

    Like the author of the OP I have had many free ones with 'ex' slappers married to old fools. Often the husband is a silly self-opinionated ugly knob who loves to pontificate to other silly fools in bars and on web boards about how much he understands Thai 'kulture' while my knob feeds his missus' desires.

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