Thread: Beware.

plenty of chinks though

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I was first in Pattaya almost 40 years ago - I thought it was crap even then. Much like the sewer of Angeles City here. Unless you're there for whores and booze, which obviously folks like Loy Toy aren't, why would one base there?.

Because that was why they move there initially, and being kind of dull chaps like thegent they never really managed to move on.

Some people who were at best runners up in the race of life really love to observe the total tail enders. In Pattaya even a fully fledged cretin like dragonfly is in no danger of finishing plum last.

"moved" - past tense

Which one is more improbable to you?

That's the one I meant.

About even, probably.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

If I go out now my wife will drop me off, pick me up and I am rarely home after 8.00pm.

Just man it out. If you are unlucky at least you will go out knowing you stood up. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Originally Posted by StevenR

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by StevenR

Is the sex trade there in decline?

I rarely venture anywhere near these places now but what a few lads have told me apart from a few upmarket places everything is just about dead.

With Thailand relying so much on this revenue everyone is suffering and crime is booming.

I assume Pattaya relies on it and to a lesser extent the poorer communities where its sex trade staff originate from but the number it employs must be in the tens of thousands in a country of 70 million. There must be more to it.

For Pattaya in particular, there seem to be a number of trends ongoing which are not really picked up on yet. The traditional money spinner - the bar trade - is definitely slowing. To a large extent I think the girls are literally pricing themselves out of business. A few years back it used to be 2K or there abouts for all night. Now you would be luck to get quoted that short time, and all night an get quotes from 4K on upwards (from my reading- too old to care now personally!). Its kind of knocking it into the price range where it is not worth going there (or to Thailand as a matter of fact). 4K for a stunner, maybe, but we are talking average bar fodder. Multipy that over a holiday, plus flight and the equation starts to become unworkable.

A lot of the tourists in pattya now are the Chinese and other Asians. They are generally tours, and do not do the bars (maybe a quick tour "gawk"). They are out by 8am, sightseeing and shopping. Big dinner and back to the hotel by 8pm. Walk around Pattaya at 7am, and the number of big tour coaches is quite eye opening.

Thailand has yet to tap the single male Chinese market for some reason. I would have thought they (Chinese) were just on the point of affluent enough to make it work, but again, back to point 1. Other options exist I am sure.

I really do think we are seeing the demise of the "in your face" bar scene from yesteryear. It will slowly get pushed back into the periphery, less in your face, and probably a lot less common due to the pricing.

Meh.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by Bobcock

I went to a party for Oil and Gas workers last Friday, There were 35 people there.

Only one had a job of the guys I knew well. Some had been out for 18 months.

I reckon it is them causing all the trouble, loads around the lake......

A number of my friends here in Pattaya are oil and gas boys and although they are hurting at the moment they are not turning violent nor causing problems.

Most are trying to weather the storm, some have returned home to find work and the one's who are still here certainly do not have the cash to go out drinking looking for trouble.

Strange assumption there Bob.

Was there any trouble at your party.

5555.... You are serious aren't you?

He really ain't the sharpest pixel on the screen, Bob.

Originally Posted by StevenR

Really interesting. Thanks. I assume that the pricing you mention is based on supply and demand. It doesn't make sense to adjust a price to a level where nobody is buying any more. Market forces don't work like that. It must stem from amounts that can be earned elsewhere combined with a sharp increase in the cost of living.

Unfortunately, the rational concepts of "supply and demand" have not taken root in Thailand. Its common that if income falls (from reduced demand) they put prices UP to "make up for the lost income". Does not work of course, but try telling them that.

The concepts of supply and demand never exert their influence with cold clear and immediate precision.

They haven't 'taken root' anywhere.

To even use that expression indicates a misunderstanding of how economic pressures work.

Originally Posted by cyrille

The concepts of supply and demand never exert their influence with cold clear and immediate precision.

They haven't 'taken root' anywhere.

To even use that expression indicates a misunderstanding of how economic pressures work.

I am always happy to be set straight.

Do tell.

Originally Posted by StevenR

Me too. The things I learned on my master's in supply chain management need correcting.

I would bet my John Daly driver you will never manage a course in Thailand. Nor do you currently even work in golf. You seem to be the kind of fellow I would not like to meet, much less encounter.

^^I don't think that's the main area in which you need correcting.

All I'm saying is that the principles of supply and demand are not reacted to immediately and with complete clarity anywhere.

And that StevenR is transparently a new nick for an age old bore called Sebastian Jefferies, most likely.

Market yesterday Durian 100 baht a kilo nobody buying. Same place today they put it up to 150 baht, nobody buying. They ought to do buy one pussy get one free in Pattaya

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by Bobcock

I went to a party for Oil and Gas workers last Friday, There were 35 people there.

Only one had a job of the guys I knew well. Some had been out for 18 months.

I reckon it is them causing all the trouble, loads around the lake......

A number of my friends here in Pattaya are oil and gas boys and although they are hurting at the moment they are not turning violent nor causing problems.

Most are trying to weather the storm, some have returned home to find work and the one's who are still here certainly do not have the cash to go out drinking looking for trouble.

Strange assumption there Bob.

Was there any trouble at your party.

5555.... You are serious aren't you?

Still working here but some times l feel the need to go out raping and pillaging just for the hell of it.

Originally Posted by blue

Imagine if Brits or Aussies went around doing that to guests in their countries ...
Best keep off bikes

Brits and Aussies have been assaulting and robbing people, both local victims and tourists, for generations.
I have stopped watching the News on television in Australia these days as it is a constant stream of assaults, stabbings and shootings night after night. Either these crimes are becoming more common or the media just like reporting them more.
I would be surprised if it were not the same case in the UK.
I am saddened to hear of the attack on your friend Loy Toy and hope the germs who carried it out are caught and charged.
I have noticed over the years in Thailand that there is a kind of pattern with these incidents, mainly being places like Pattaya etc. where there are vast numbers of foreigners, and more often than not they happen late at night.
Don't know about keeping off bikes but I am not usually out late at night and the area I live in is pretty quiet.
Am certainly not going to start packing, just yet.

Loy Toy, I lived in Pattaya for a couple of years, left in 2000.
I remember a falang found dead on Jomtien beach, a gang of youths robbing people in North Pattaya, ladyboys robbing tourists, falang jumping off high rise balconies, drugs galore.
The missus and I were driving back from Jomtien beach, a motor bike drove next to us and the passenger tried to snatch her gold necklace. I swerved, he failed, they sped off, we survived.
I saw a similar incident on Second Road, I think they were successful.
The condo next to ours had the front door smashed, contents stolen.
A passenger on a motorbike driving in front of me dropped his hand gun on the road. I stopped, they stopped, he got off, picked up his gun and we were all on our way.
While driving to work, I would be stopped a couple of times a week by the fuzz to give them 200B for whatever reason they could think of on the day.
It sounds like nothing has changed, Pattaya is still the shitehole it has always been, perhaps you are just getting older.

Originally Posted by StevenR

I've seen a place like that in Spain, my local place that put up its prices because it wasn't making enough profit from its few customers. The trick worked for a while when people thought that a high price meant high quality but it shut down a month later.

Is that so.

Originally Posted by ChookRaffle Jones

Loy Toy, I lived in Pattaya for a couple of years, left in 2000.
I remember a falang found dead on Jomtien beach, a gang of youths robbing people in North Pattaya, ladyboys robbing tourists, falang jumping off high rise balconies, drugs galore.
The missus and I were driving back from Jomtien beach, a motor bike drove next to us and the passenger tried to snatch her gold necklace. I swerved, he failed, they sped off, we survived.
I saw a similar incident on Second Road, I think they were successful.
The condo next to ours had the front door smashed, contents stolen.
A passenger on a motorbike driving in front of me dropped his hand gun on the road. I stopped, they stopped, he got off, picked up his gun and we were all on our way.
While driving to work, I would be stopped a couple of times a week by the fuzz to give them 200B for whatever reason they could think of on the day.
It sounds like nothing has changed, Pattaya is still the shitehole it has always been, perhaps you are just getting older.

Pattaya, and the region, was never this way in the past [30-40 years and beyond].

What entities were introduced to create such a "paradise" as we witness today?


Hmmm....
Entertaining logical guesses - anyone...??
[I'm sure most won't/can't figure it out]

^ That has a lot to do with it...Cheers...

Originally Posted by Bobcock

5555.... You are serious aren't you?

How long do you and I go back Bob............Just our normal banter. 55555

Originally Posted by cyrille

He really ain't the sharpest pixel on the screen, Bob.

Not surprising that my post evaded your mental capacity.

For a prick that sits at his computer for hours stalking me and has all his crap deleted in a heart beat it must be very frustrating Simple Cyrille.

You are a fvcking joke..............

Originally Posted by ChookRaffle Jones

It sounds like nothing has changed, Pattaya is still the shitehole it has always been, perhaps you are just getting older.

Hi mate and thanks for contributing to this thread.

Yes I am older.........maybe wiser..........maybe whatever but whilst I may seem to be slagging the country off I basically love the people here.

Times are tough, money is hard to come by, droughts, political instability and increasing competition from neighbouring S.E.Asian countries is starting to hit home and people are hurting.

Thais will blame anyone who they may feel are better privileged then themselves.

Especially people who they are now feeling have no right to be here in the first place.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Thais will blame anyone who they may feel are better privileged then themselves.

Especially people who they are now feeling have no right to be here in the first place.

That's "normal" behaviour around the world, to be fair.

"When the crib is empty"

I don't know much about the place.

Run by criminals for criminals, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by helge

That's "normal" behaviour around the world, to be fair.

Yes mate but after living here for so long I have seen a negative trend against us who formally were respected as building up their infrastructure and improving their life styles.

I have recently spoken to Bits and other Europeans who are absolutely livid and angry about how their Governments have sold out to Immigration pressure giving their rights and tax payer monies away to ethnic groups.

In Thailand to receive such status is extremely rare.