Thread: Investigators fail to identify killers of foreign journalists

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"We will try to beat the deadline," DSI director general Tharit Pengdit said Friday.

really confident that it will be a thorough and impartial examination .........

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingn...89-riot-deaths

12 DSI teams probe 89 rally deaths

• Published: 1/09/2010 at 04:55 PM
• Online news: Breakingnews

Twelve DSI teams are now investigating the deaths of 89 people during the April-May protests of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship, and the investigation will be concluded in 45 days, Department of Special Investigation chief Tharit Pengdit said
He was speaking after chairing a meeting of investigators on Wednesday.

He said emphasis would be given to the six people who were killed at Wat Pathumwanaram, to Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol or Seh Daeng, Japanese photographer Hiro Muramoto and Italian reporter Fabio Polenghi.

The teams had been assigned to find out how they were killed and by whom.

They were to complete their assignment in 45 days. The investigation results would be announced at a press conference, Mr Tharit said.

He said on Sept 2 the DSI would open a centre to take information from people who personally witnessed the deaths or had photographs of what happened.

The investigation would be transparent and straightforward. The DSI's intention is to establish the truth, without any distortion, and reveal it to the public, Mr Tharit said.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"We will try to beat the deadline," DSI director general Tharit Pengdit said Friday.

Heroic

Originally Posted by tomta

He said emphasis would be given to the six people who were killed at Wat Pathumwanaram, to Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol or Seh Daeng, Japanese photographer Hiro Muramoto and Italian reporter Fabio Polenghi.

Some dead people are more important than others.

BUt why?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

George Orwell

Junta provaracation.

Japan and Italy need to get tough with these murdering scumbags and get the international lawyers in there fast,

Seeing how the proxy dictatorship like interpol so much , lets have them in to sort out who the murderers are.

Lawyer asks court to conduct trial on deaths of 9 red-shirt protesters

Lawyer asks court to conduct trial on deaths of 9 red-shirt protesters

Kharom Polthaklang, a lawyer of the red-shirt movement, Monday represented relatives of nine red-shirt protesters to ask the Criminal Court to conduct a trial on their deaths.

Kharom lodged the complaint with the court at 10 am.

The relatives want the court to conduct trial as to who killed the nine protesters at the Kok Wua Intersection on 10 April.

Kharom also asked the court to allow 19 red-shirt leaders, who have been detained, to become witnesses in the case.

The Criminal Court has yet to decide whether to proceed with the complaint.

The Nation

Relatives of riot victims meet in Bangkok

AFTERMATH OF VIOLENCE

Relatives of riot victims meet in Bangkok

By Pongphon Sarnsamak
The Nation
Published on September 7, 2010

Even though almost 100 days have passed since the April 10 clashes in Bangkok that left 26 people dead and more than 800 injured, 14 relatives of the victims gathered to console each other and discuss their problems.

Coming from as far afield as Surin, Nakhon Sawan and Ratchaburi, their foremost motive was to push for the government to take responsibility for the deaths of their family members. They met at a Bangkok department store, but were anxious to withhold details for "security reasons".

The 14 relatives decided to pursue a campaign of cultural activities, such as concerts, which they believe will help the public understand the red-shirt movement and its push for democracy. But the move got no further than an idea.

Much of the discussion centred on justice for the victims and ways of fighting with the government to further their cause.

"We have learned to care for one another since we first met three months ago," said Suwimon Fhungklinchan, whose 29-year-old son Therdsak was killed at Khok Wua Intersection.

She told the group that since her son died she has been running her small Bangkok grocery store on her own, and was unable to make ends meet.

Suwimon said she had received compensation from the Social Development and Human Security Ministry, but it could never pay for her son's life.

"I want the government to care about the feelings of the red-shirt people. The government should not divide us from others in the country," she said. "How will the government achieve national reconciliation if it does not really want to do that?"

She said she was repeatedly told by the Department of Special Investigation that no progress had been made in her son's case.

"This is one example of the government's lack of sincerity and commitment to national reconciliation," she said. "If the government is sure that a group of men in black suits killed red-shirt protesters, then find them and bring them to justice. Don't just keep talking about them."

Klin Tienchan, a brother-in-law of Wasant Phuthong, 39, from Samut Prakan, who died of a gunshot wound to his head, said he still could not organise a funeral for Wasant because the cause of his death was still being investigated and justice had yet to be done.

"There is no progress in Wasant's case," he said. "I don't want compensation, I want his life back."

Klin said the government should talk with relatives of riot victims about what compensation they wanted, because their needs did not end with money. They also urged Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, "who bosses the troops", to accept responsibility.

Samran Wa-ngam, whose 28-year-old son Sawat was also shot in the head on April 10, said he still missed his son and cried for him.

"We used to have dinner together. Now I see an empty chair," he said.

Samran and Sawat came from Surin to find work in Bangkok. Samran worked as a security guard until his son's death made it impossible to keep up with his job.

Sawat was the first family member to attend the red-shirt rally, but his 15-year-old brother Woramet joined him on April 10.

"I don't want to talk about it," Samran said. "You will never understand my feelings until you face a similar situation. The compensation is not worth my son's life."

Boonnam Tharueng, 54, whose younger brother was shot in the back and died later in Klang Hospital, said she had just received compensation from the government. "It came very late," she said.

Boonnam said her brother's funeral would only be held after new elections are called and his case is solved.

"He always stood fearlessly in the front lines," she said. "His funeral will be held when his wishes come true."

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...o-on-crackdown

DSI still compiling info on crackdown

• Published: 8/09/2010 at 01:39 PM
• Online news: Local News

The Department of Special Investigation is still compiling information from all possible sources to establish the facts about the deaths of 91 people during the protests of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) in April and May, DSI chief Tharit Pengdit said on Wednesday.

Mr Tharit said the DSI will send a letter to all military units which took part in security operations and suppression of the red-shirt protests - at Phan Fa bridge and Ratchaprasong intersection - asking for information on how many soldiers were involved, how they were deployed, and how weapons were used in the crackdown and what weapons.

He said the DSI will also ask the Puea Thai Party and the UDD for information on the deaths of protesters.

The DSI intended to establish the facts, so it was necessary to get as much information as possible from all concerned, Mr Tharit said.

Mr Tharit also said security measures have been stepped up at the DSI head ffice on Chaeng Wattana Road after the CRES issued a warning to all government offices. The government's new central complex adjoins the DSI centre.

In addition to its own security guards from the War Veterans Organisation, troops from the 1st Infantry Division were also providing security for the DSI office, he said.

^A monkey show, as another article phrased something very similar.

No soldiers given shoot-to-kill orders : Gen Anupong

MAY CRISIS
No soldiers given shoot-to-kill orders : Gen Anupong


By The Nation
Published on September 10, 2010





Abhisit links explosives defused to upcoming red-shirt rally


Army commander General Anupong Paochinda said yesterday that no soldiers deployed during the redshirt rally in May were ordered to shoot indiscriminately, and vowed to take responsibility if there was any proof that shoottokill orders had ever been given.

"No orders had ever been issued to soldiers to shoot indiscriminately at the protestors. More than half of the soldiers [deployed during the protests] are from the Northeast and are well aware of the [rightful] order to perform their duties," he added.

The outgoing Army chief said it was not right for people to jump to the conclusion that all deaths during the protests resulted from soldiers' acts, since there was no scientific evidence or trajectory results to indicate that the deaths were cause by soldiers.

Meanwhile, the explosives found planted at three locations in Bangkok and Nonthaburi on Wednesday were clearly made by the same group and the police already has some clues as to who this group might be, Pol General Panupong Singhara Na Ayutthaya said yesterday.

On Wednesday, bombs were defused at three locations - in front of Santirat Wittayalai School in Bangkok's Ratchathewi district; in the parking lot of the Mall Ngarmwongwan branch and the Public Health Ministry's car park in Nonthaburi province.

Panupong, who is also the national police chief's adviser, met police investigators and related officials yesterday and told reporters that judging from the components of the explosives and the way they were constructed, the investigating team was convinced it had been done by the same group of people.

All the explosives found were inside fire extinguishers and connected to electrical circuits that could be timed for up to a week, Panupong said, adding that police were looking for the origin of these tanks.

These incidents prompted national police chief Wichean Potephosree to beef up security for the public and thanked citizens for alerting the police about suspicious objects.

Though the objective behind these bombs remains unclear, Wichean said he believed that the intention was to cause panic and urged people to remain calm. He said the police force already had evidence and was closely inspecting the three sites, especially the Public Health Ministry's carpark because the security camera footage there might reveal suspects.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the chaos was being caused by those with political motives. He said the authorities have realised that they need to be very careful for the next two weeks, referring to the upcoming redshirt rally on September 19. He also dismissed speculation that the government might be behind these bombs, saying the state had taken legal action against suspects involved in violent incidents and the public should be just to officials and allow them time to do their jobs.

Interior Minister Chaovarat Chanweerakul said the bomb planted in the carpark of The Mall Ngarmwongwan was meant to cause panic rather than kill anyone because it could be spotted easily.

Meanwhile, Deputy PM Suthep Thaugsuban, who is in charge of national security, said the bombs indicated that some group was trying to affect the country's peace and that he had instructed officials to tighten security. He also said that the Royal Thai Police would today present him with a security plan ahead of the September 19 rally.

He also said that the bombs found on Wednesday were not related to the bomb threat on a THAI flight to Los Angeles on Tuesday and had nothing to do with the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation reinforcing the state of emergency in Bangkok and its vicinity.

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai MP and redshirt leader Jatuporn Promphan said he condemned those behind the bombs because they wanted the emergency decree to continue and obstruct chances of a national election.

In related news, Department of Special Investigation (DSI) chief Tharit Pengdit said he had signed indictment papers for six suspects involved in the bombing near the Bhum Jai Thai party headquarters on June 22. The suspects were charged for making, possessing and detonating a bomb as well as acts of terrorism. Late yesterday afternoon, DSI officials were meant to hand the case over to Special Case public prosecutors.

The six suspects are Anek Singkhunthod, who was injured when the bomb went off, Suriya Bhumwong, Dejphol Phutthajong, Khamphol Khamkhong, Kobchai Boonplod and Warisriya Boonsom.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"No orders had ever been issued to soldiers to shoot indiscriminately at the protestors. More than half of the soldiers [deployed during the protests] are from the Northeast and are well aware of the [rightful] order to perform their duties," he added.

What about the minority half? Freelance?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Army commander General Anupong Paochinda said yesterday that no soldiers deployed during the redshirt rally in May were ordered to shoot indiscriminately, and vowed to take responsibility if there was any proof that shoottokill orders had ever been given.

Seh Daeng ?

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog Army commander General Anupong Paochinda said yesterday that no soldiers deployed during the redshirt rally in May were ordered to shoot indiscriminately, and vowed to take responsibility if there was any proof that shoottokill orders had ever been given. Seh Daeng ?

Probably go down as just another case of suicide!

DSI launches hotline for clues on deaths during UDD rally
Weeranuwat Saengsawang

BANGKOK, 9 September 2010 (NNT) - The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has launched a hotline to receive information related to deaths during the recent political violence from the public.

DSI chief Tharit Pengdit disclosed today that the department's hotline 1202 had been officially opened to accept people's information and video footages or voice recordings from 12 violent incidents during March to May, which left 89 people and government officials dead.

The director general guaranteed that all individuals providing the authorities with facts and evidence related to the deaths would be well-protected as key witnesses.

thainews.prd.go.th

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Investigators fail to identify killers of foreign journalists

Did anyone with any common sense expect anything different?

Hardly surprising "High Speed Bullets and Gun Shot Wounds" what an amazing conclusion to reach.

Certainly helps the reconcilliation process to move in the right direction.

I ask myself...surely they don't expect people with a single shred of intelligence to accept the lies they keep repeating? but they do.

I have seen the reds shooting at civilians during that day, so yes it's perfectly possible that they were shot by the reds, and not the army

of course the red apologists can't resolve that, so they will go in denial mode as we know the UDD protesters were all peaceful and innocents

Most seem to forget that on 16 May 2010 the army declared parts of Bangkok as ‘live-fire zones’. In fact the army erected signs at Ratchaprarop area warning that anybody who enters will be fired on with live rounds.

I expect this meant protesters, residents, tourists and journalist.

There was a thread here on TD about this but for those who think differently and doubt the truth take a look here

Anupong must have a short memory.

Court ruling set for Sept 27 on an inquest for reds killed


Court ruling set for Sept 27 on an inquest for reds killed

The Criminal Court has scheduled September 27 to decide whether to open an inquest into the deaths of nine red shirts killed during the anti-riot operation on April 10 at Rajdamnoen Avenue, red-shirt lawyer Karom Pholthaklang said on Friday.

The inquest, if launched, will pave way for the judicial involvement in dispelling lingering doubts on the cause of death, curcumstances and culprits behind the killings.

Karom said he was also in contacts with the Law Society of Thailand to coordinated the push for the Department of Special Investigation to take charge of autopsy reports on all victims of the unrest between April and May.

The Nation

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The inquest, if launched, will pave way for the judicial involvement in dispelling lingering doubts on the cause of death, curcumstances and culprits behind the killings.

The Nation

Oh sure it will, sure, sure..

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I have seen the reds shooting at civilians during that day, so yes it's perfectly possible that they were shot by the reds, and not the army

of course the red apologists can't resolve that, so they will go in denial mode as we know the UDD protesters were all peaceful and innocents

As opinions are largely directed by firm political bias', these arguments become quite fruitless, less binding as to a conclusion....logic would dictate that these blatant or accidental killings could easily have come from either side. No one is saintly here - certainly not during heightened chaos of a battle. Shit happens during "war" {for a better term}.....insurgency and counter-measures.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255309140006

UDD to fight case against the Govt on bloody crackdown

BANGKOK, 14 September 2010 (NNT) — The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) is asking the Lawyer Council of Thailand for help in their fight against the government in connection with the military crackdown which killed nearly a hundred people and injured another two thousand.

Karom Pontaklang, the lawyer representing the UDD group, revealed that the UDD has asked the Lawyer Council of Thailand to assist them file a request for an autopsy of the protesters killed during the bloody crackdowns between April-May 2010.

The team of lawyers of the UDD is gathering evidence pertaining to the crackdown and submit it to the Lawyer Council of Thailand, Mr Karom said. The Council will then study the report to find out whether the evidence implicates the government.The evidence-gathering process is expected to be completed by the end of this week.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...th-world-court

Jatuporn threatens to sue govt with World Court

• Published: 14/09/2010 at 05:49 PM
• Online news: Breakingnews

A criminal case against the government will be filed with the World Court over the deaths of 91 people killed in the government's crackdowns on red-shirt protesters between April 10 and May 19, Jatuporn Prompan said on Tuesday.

Mr Jatuporn, a Puea Thai MP and leading member of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship, said former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra would be a co-plaintiff in the case and that he had a key witness to testify against the government.

He said Amsterdam & Peroff, a law office of Robert Amsterdam, would be assigned to handle the case.

Mr Jatuporn said the key witness was a red shirt who saw Col Romklao Thuwatham, former deputy chief-of-staff of the 2nd Infantry Regiment, being shot on April 10 during a clash on Ratchadamnern avanue by rival army soldiers who put blame on the red shirts.

On seeing Col Romklao get shot, the witness rushed to help him but was hit in the gunfire and seriously wounded.

The man was still under treatment and could not make an appearance in public. He would be brought for a press conference after he had recovered, Mr Jatuporn said.

He said if the Criminal Court on Sept 27 allowed an autopsy to be conducted on nine of the deaths, a team of doctors would be brought from abroad along with a legal team of Amsterdam & Peroff to take part in the autopsy and this would lead to a trial by the World Court, that would determine who ordered the killings of the people.