Mystery Phi Phi Deaths; Survivor Speaks, Finally

**MustavaMond** · 17-01-2010, 10:57 AM

Phi Phi Deaths Riddle: Surviving Tourists Speak Out - Phuket Wan

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Phi Phi Deaths Riddle: Surviving Tourists Speak Out

By Alan Morison and Chuitima Sidasathian
Sunday, January 17, 2010
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THE MYSTERY woman in Phi Phi's Laleena Guesthouse double-death riddle has spoken publicly for the first time. And she agrees that the killer was . . . gas.

This has always been the view of American Ryan Kells, whose fiancee Jill St Onge, 27, was one of two young women tourists who fell ill at Laleena and later died.

The other woman killed without any clear reason was Norwegian Julie Bergheim, 22.

Her travelling companion, Karina Refseth, also fell sick from the same cause, as did Ryan Kells. But Refseth and Kells survived, Refseth narrowly after emergency care.

Kells has always maintained that he sniffled a chemical substance when booking in to a Laleena room with St Onge on that Saturday in May, 2009.

St Onge, Bergheim and their companions occupied Rooms 4 and 5 on the ground floor at the guesthouse, but the couples probably never met before the two women died in a similar, horrible fashion.

Now, after seven months of silence, Refseth, the mystery witness, has finally spoken out. She too believes the killer was gas.

The problem is that two autopsies in Thailand and a third extremely unusual autopsy in Norway have failed to produce an official cause of death.

How could two young tourists, simply through fate staying in adjoining rooms in a guesthouse on one of the world's best-known tropical holiday islands, suddenly fall ill and die?

There is no indication that they ever met or shared any similar experiences on Phi Phi, except for being guests at Laleena.

Surely the days have passed when people can perish without a cause being determined? This is, after all, 2010, the 21st century.

In recent days, Phuketwan has talked to virtually all the key people connected to the deaths of the two young female tourists on Phi Phi.

The Norwegian pair had been travelling home after spending a year studying in Australia and had been on Phi Phi for a few days, staying at Laleena Guesthouse, when Ryan Kells and Jill St Onge checked in next door in Room 4 on May 2.

Before the weekend was over, two young women were dead, and the third was dangerously ill.

Soon afterwards, a barely recovered Ryan Kells was being carried off the island with the body of his fiancee in a bag in the bottom of the speedboat.

It is probably an understatement to say that he remains ill at ease with virtually every aspect of the investigation by Thai police into the double fatality.

Kells had been on a once-in-a-lifetime trip with St Onge and proposed to her as they journeyed through Asia. They moved to Laleena that day to have some air-conditioning for a change.

This is what he told us via email last week:

''The only thing I can say is that there is no way it was a bacteria or food or drink poison. Jill had NO ALCOHOL that night. and food poisoning can not affect a person so rapidly.

''Nor can a bacteria. And a bacteria would be easily seen in an autopsy. So I would really like you not to say that those had any part of it.''

St Onge's body was examined by Thai forensic pathologists in Bangkok, tissue and blood samples were taken, then she was cremated. Her ashes went back to the US with Kells.

By contrast, Bergheim's body went back to Norway where family and officials in her home county, aghast at such an appalling catastrophe, contrived to have a second autopsy carried out by some of Norway's top forensic pathologists.

The Thai autopsy report was condemned by St Onge's relatives for its brevity. And it must be said that the whole Thai investigation into the case proved to be singularly inadequate.

When a tourist dies in a popular holiday destination in Thailand, there is still a tendency to cover up, even to conceal the event entirely if possible, for the sake of the country's tourism industry.

While this attitude inevitably has consequences in an age of total transparency, Thailand has yet to prove it is unequivocally committed to the safety and security of the visitors who provide the country with a large slice of annual revenue.

Time and again, corruption or the fear of negative consequences become factors that obscure justice or prevent an honest recognition of the causes of man-made disasters.

Just as Kells has always insisted that he thought the demise of his bride-to-be was triggered by some kind of chemical, Laleena Guesthouse owner Rat Chuped has consistently maintained that her premises had nothing to do with the deaths.

Laleena's 10 rooms have been occupied since Christmas, says Khun Rat, who adds that guests occasionally ask about the deaths.

She says that she always keeps the guesthouse scrupulously clean and long ago reported that she slept in one of the rooms in question soon after the deaths.

When asked this week what caused the deaths, she said: ''No idea.''

This was also the conclusion of a belated Thai university laboratory check on various cleaners and chemicals found and sampled from the guesthouse.

The Thai police involved in the initial inquiry have moved on. Their successors expressed little interest in its outcome.

But in Norway and the US, people still want to know.

For months in Norway, senior forensic pathologists pursued tests resulting from their unusual second autopsy. While no offence was intended to Thai authorities, the message was plain.

Just before Christmas, a media release came from the office of public prosecutor Sjak R. Haaheim. He reported:

''Miss Bergheim died at a Thai hospital May 4 2009, after having been acutely ill during her stay there. Thai police are investigating the case, and have submitted case documents as a valuable input into the Norwegian inquiry.

''This hasn't been a criminal investigation. We have performed certain inquiries in Norway, to seek answers as to why Miss Bergheim unexpectedly died. The results of our inquiries will be made available to Thai authorities through ordinary diplomatic channels.

''Thai forensic experts performed an autopsy on Miss Bergheim, related to the criminal investigation.

''When her body arrived to Norway in June, the Norwegian Prosecution Service decided to perform another autopsy, hoping that this could bring forward more answers to the cause of death.

''The autopsy was performed at RMI, the National Forensic Institute, in Oslo on June 16, 2009. Several samples were obtained and later analysed. Unfortunately, the cause of death cannot be determined with certainty.

''However, RMI concludes there are several possible causes of death, including poisoning from bacterias, poisonous food or drinks, or through chemical agents that may have been distributed through the local environment.''

To their credit, the Norwegians were not prepared to accept that one of their much-loved daughters could die in this fashion, without diagnosis. Sadly, their efforts appear to have failed.

Then there are the survivors. Finally, after not commenting publicly for months, Refseth spoke out: ''We reacted to the smell in the room when we arrived. The chemical smell, but thought no more about it,'' she is quoted as saying.

It was three days later when Kells and St Onge checked in, and Kells also noted the chemical smell.

''It was a terrible experience, and this is very difficult, '' Refseth says. ''I think they should find out what made us sick, what led to Julie's death.

''It is very difficult not knowing, not having been given proper answers to what really happened.''

Kells, the other survivor, is equally dissatisfied. ''My best friend died right in front of me on a vacation of a lifetime. I will not be told 'no one knows' and be ok with that.

''The thing that can be achieved is, FIND OUT WHAT KILLED JULIE AND JILL.That is all I care about, and I promise to find answers if no-one else will.''

From Norway, public prosecutor Sjak R. Haaheim was more sanguine: ''Sometimes in life, and in death, there is no possibility of answers,'' he concluded.

**MustavaMond** · 17-01-2010, 11:01 AM

A Comment from the PhuketWan Site ;
You should look into why the canal behind the guest house is now cemented.

Thanks for looking into it more.

Posted by jills brother Rob on Sunday January 17, 2010 at 05:59

**guyinthailand** · 17-01-2010, 01:06 PM

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...h-phi-phi.html
above url is the original thread, with many interesting ideas and theories.

(for some reason, when I paste the above Teakdoor url into this post, it doesn't get completely pasted in, so that the link doesn't work. Moderator: any ideas?)

**nidhogg** · 17-01-2010, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

''The only thing I can say is that there is no way it was a bacteria or food or drink poison. Jill had NO ALCOHOL that night. and food poisoning can not affect a person so rapidly.

''Nor can a bacteria. And a bacteria would be easily seen in an autopsy. So I would really like you not to say that those had any part of it.''

Sadly, too mnay uninformed people making uninformed and misleading statements.

Symptoms
The symptoms from the most common types of food poisoning generally start within 2 - 6 hours of eating the food. That time may be longer (even a number of days) or shorter, depending on the cause of the food poisoning.
Food Poisoning - Symptoms, Diagnosis, Treatment of Food Poisoning - NY Times Health Information

**dirtydog** · 17-01-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

(for some reason, when I paste the above Teakdoor url into this post, it doesn't get completely pasted in, so that the link doesn't work. Moderator: any ideas?)

try clicking it, it works ok for me.

**guyinthailand** · 17-01-2010, 02:18 PM

It was reported that the victims had massive pulmonary edema. It would be interesting to find out which, if any, food-borne poisons could cause massive pulmonary edema so suddenly. There are, however, many other non-food poisons that can cause that (see below). Also, he may be correct when he says that bacterial poisons (from food poisoning) may be easy to see on an autopsy and since none were found by Western (and maybe Thai as well) autopsy—well, you figure it out.

The canal behind the guesthouse having recently been reported to have been cemented over is, as they say, a clue—since the Thais like to literally and figuratively *cover up* anything that makes them look bad.

Here are some of the gasses and pesticides and other poisons that can cause pulmonary edema (water/liquid/body fluids in the lungs). There are probably additions to this list that my quick search didn’t uncover.

Hydrogen sulfide (common in Thailand)

Formaldehyde (very common in Thailand)
Cyanide (very common in Thailand)
Chlorine (very common in Thailand)
Carbon monoxide (very common in Thailand)
Organophosphates (very common in Thailand, as are many of the others listed below)
Zinc phosphide
Methyl bromide
PHOSPHINE (ALUMINUM PHOSPHIDE Phosphine (aluminum phosphide)
Sulfuryl fluoride (Vikane® Gas Fumigant)
Various fumigants (see PHYSICIAN'S GUIDE TO PESTICIDE POISONING)

FUMIGANTS

CHEMICAL TYPE Hydrocarbon MOTH BALLS MOTH FLAKESNAPHTHALENE CLOTHES MOTHS Chlorinated hydrocarbon BORER CONTROL MOTH CRYSTALS MOTH TEK DEODORIZER ROSE PARA MOTHPARADICHLOROBENZENELILAC BORER PEACH BORER LESSER P. BORER CLOTHES MOTHS APPLE BORER Chlorinated hydrocarbon VERTIFUME GRAIN FUMIGANT PREMIUM GR. FUMIGANTCARBON TETRACHLORIDE STORED PRODUCT PESTS Carbon disulfide GRAIN FUMIGANT PREMIUM GR. FUMIGANTCARBON DISULFIDESTORED PRODUCT PESTS CyanideM-44 COYOTE GETTER CYANOGAS CYANAMID FUMIGANT CYCLONHYDROGEN CYANIDESTORED PRODUCT PESTS COYOTES Chloropicrin LARVACIDE PICFUME TELONE C-17CHLOROPICRINSTORED PRODUCT PESTS SOIL PESTSpp. Chlorinated hydrocarbon TELONEII TELONE C-17 D-D VIDDEN-DDICHLOROPROPENE & DICHLOROPROPANESOIL PESTS Halogenated hydrocarbon BROM-O-GAS BROM-O-SOL DOWFUME MC-2 DOWFUME MC-33 TERR-O-GASMETHYL BROMIDESTORED PRODUCT PESTS DRYWOOD TERMITE SOIL PESTS WOOD BORING BEETLES Inorganic VIKANESULFURYL FLUORIDEDRYWOOD TERMITE STORED PRODUCTS WOOD BORING BEETLES Phosphorus compoundPHOSTOXIN GASTOXIN FUMITOXINALUMINUM PHOSPHIDE (PHOSPHINE GAS) STORED PRODUCT PESTS InorganicGRAIN FUMIGANT PREMIUM GR. FUMIGANTSULFUR DIOXIDESTORED PRODUCT PESTS Halogenated hydrocarbonDBCP FUMAZONE NEMAGON NEMAFUME NEMASETDIBROMOCHLOROPROPANESOIL PESTSAldehydeACRITET CARBACRYLACROLEIN (ACRYLALDEHYDE)SPACE FUMIGANTHalogenated hydrocarbon BROMOFUME EDB NEPHISETHYLENE DIBROMIDESOIL PESTS OxideETO OXYRANEETHYLENE OXIDESPACE FUMIGANTT hiocarbamateVAPAM NEMASOLMETAM SODIUMSOIL PESTS ThiadiazoneBASAMID DAZOMETDAZOMETSOIL FUMIGANT

**nidhogg** · 17-01-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

, he may be correct when he says that bacterial poisons (from food poisoning) may be easy to see on an autopsy and since none were found by Western (and maybe Thai as well) autopsy—well, you figure it out.

No, he is not correct. the things that actually causes the problems are bacterial toxins. In certain cases these can be present - even after the bacteria has died. Most methodologies for isolating or identifying bacteria rely upon growing the bacteria to see what it is. If its dead - it won't grow, but as noted the toxin can still be present at levels sufficient to cause disease and or dath.

When trying to identify the cause of death in that autopsy, the phrase "needle in a haystack" leaps to mind. Mostly autopsies serve only to confirm (or rule out) what is already known from the circumstances surrounding the death. In a case like this, with few or no clues or REAL evidence from the scene of the deaths, its kinda unlikely that they will ever determine the cuase of death. A vital part of the puzzle is missing - i.e. a detailed evaluation of the scene of the deaths.

**Mr R Sole** · 17-01-2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by nidhogg

a detailed evaluation of the scene of the deaths.

That would mean that the police were actually doing their job....highly unlikely...again unless Porntip did the autopsy then you might just have well probably got a soi dog to do it...

**nidhogg** · 17-01-2010, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

again unless Porntip did the autopsy then you might just have well probably got a soi dog to do it...

Some would argue that was the same thing...

**MustavaMond** · 17-01-2010, 05:01 PM

^

Grrrrrrr.

As someone who was deliberately poisoned for complaining about stale coffee at a " 5 star " resort off the coast of Pattaya, in fact, I too was vomiting violently for about 24 hours , I feel this was deliberate .
However it may have been more sinister in its approach as I recovered within 36 hours with a little help from electrolytes.
Could this have been a terrorist attack of sorts? I think it is .....odd the major tourist centres of T land have yet to be targeted.

**guyinthailand** · 19-01-2010, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

^

Grrrrrrr.

As someone who was deliberately poisoned for complaining about stale coffee at a " 5 star " resort off the coast of Pattaya, in fact, I too was vomiting violently for about 24 hours , I feel this was deliberate .
However it may have been more sinister in its approach as I recovered within 36 hours with a little help from electrolytes.
Could this have been a terrorist attack of sorts? I think it is .....odd the major tourist centres of T land have yet to be targeted.

It is a good idea to carry multiple packets (or a full bottle) of activated charcoal (every pharmacy in Thailand sells them) in your travel kit. Activated Charcoal is not toxic in virtually any amount, and an adult can eat as many as 200+ capsulses (of 250 mg) for acute heavy quantity poisoning. But most food poisoning doesen't call for eating that much. Eating just 5 or 10 capsules and then the same amount later at intervals of 4 or 8 hours, can often stop food poisoning 'cold', and very fast. But won't work for acids, ammonia, etc. But for tylenol, drugs, many insecticides and food poisoning---activated charcoal is hard to beat (which is why it is a 'number 1' protocol in emergency rooms worldwide.

If poison is still in stomach then vomit first, eat charcoal second. (but if poison is an acid, or corrosive then do NOT vomit--just drink a glass of milk or water and go to Emergency Room.)

Most cases of food poisoining go unrecognized as such because the symptoms are 'just' feeling bad--as opposed to extreme vomiting/diarrhea.

**guyinthailand** · 19-01-2010, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

, he may be correct when he says that bacterial poisons (from food poisoning) may be easy to see on an autopsy and since none were found by Western (and maybe Thai as well) autopsy—well, you figure it out.

No, he is not correct. the things that actually causes the problems are bacterial toxins. In certain cases these can be present - even after the bacteria has died. Most methodologies for isolating or identifying bacteria rely upon growing the bacteria to see what it is. If its dead - it won't grow, but as noted the toxin can still be present at levels sufficient to cause disease and or dath.

When trying to identify the cause of death in that autopsy, the phrase "needle in a haystack" leaps to mind. Mostly autopsies serve only to confirm (or rule out) what is already known from the circumstances surrounding the death. In a case like this, with few or no clues or REAL evidence from the scene of the deaths, its kinda unlikely that they will ever determine the cuase of death. A vital part of the puzzle is missing - i.e. a detailed evaluation of the scene of the deaths.

There is real evidence, namely the symptoms and signs the victims and survivors had and saw and experienced, which was massive Pulmonary Edema and survivor(s) noticed a "strong chemical odor" in room. Since there was massive Pulmonary Edema, it would be helpful if we could have a poison specialist or Medical Examiner, tell us what, if any, food-borne poisons can cause massive Pulmonary Edema. The victims had massive Pulmonary Edema. Does anyone know if there are food poisons which cause massive Pulmonary Edema? I readily found dozens of insecticides and gasses--all of which are prevalent in Thailand--that cause massive Pulmonary Edema. If anyone can find some food-borne poisons that do the same, I'm sure we would all feel enlightened.

**Scottish Gary** · 19-01-2010, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

^

Could this have been a terrorist attack of sorts? I think it is .....odd the major tourist centres of T land have yet to be targeted.

Do you not think that if terrorists were planning to target tourists in Thailand then they might attack somewhere like Walking St in Pattaya , Bangla Rd in Phuket or Nana in Bangkok. I dont think Al Qaeda would single out a small guest house on Phi Phi Island.

**guyinthailand** · 19-01-2010, 03:59 AM

Probably unlikely. But it is worth noting that radical Islamists, Bin Laden, etc have called it the 'duty' of all Muslims everywhere to kill 'infidels' anytime, anywhere by whatever means 'necessary'. I don't think they are kidding and I do think many Muslims take this command seriously.

**MustavaMond** · 19-01-2010, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Scottish Gary

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

^

Could this have been a terrorist attack of sorts? I think it is .....odd the major tourist centres of T land have yet to be targeted.

Do you not think that if terrorists were planning to target tourists in Thailand then they might attack somewhere like Walking St in Pattaya , Bangla Rd in Phuket or Nana in Bangkok. I dont think Al Qaeda would single out a small guest house on Phi Phi Island.

Some kid or kids or a group of disgruntled people, mad at whatever might have decided to take it out on tourists.

Or, yes , a dry run by a more organized faction .
Doesn't have to be US trained , Bin Laden lead ( allegedly) " Al Qaeda" to be terrorists .

I'd like to say there are plenty of Christian nutjobs out there ( GW Busch) declaring "Crusade" against Muslims.

It is the fanatics of all religions that are the enemy, not just Islam

**MustavaMond** · 19-01-2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

, he may be correct when he says that bacterial poisons (from food poisoning) may be easy to see on an autopsy and since none were found by Western (and maybe Thai as well) autopsy—well, you figure it out.

No, he is not correct. the things that actually causes the problems are bacterial toxins. In certain cases these can be present - even after the bacteria has died. Most methodologies for isolating or identifying bacteria rely upon growing the bacteria to see what it is. If its dead - it won't grow, but as noted the toxin can still be present at levels sufficient to cause disease and or dath.

When trying to identify the cause of death in that autopsy, the phrase "needle in a haystack" leaps to mind. Mostly autopsies serve only to confirm (or rule out) what is already known from the circumstances surrounding the death. In a case like this, with few or no clues or REAL evidence from the scene of the deaths, its kinda unlikely that they will ever determine the cuase of death. A vital part of the puzzle is missing - i.e. a detailed evaluation of the scene of the deaths.

There is real evidence, namely the symptoms and signs the victims and survivors had and saw and experienced, which was massive Pulmonary Edema and survivor(s) noticed a "strong chemical odor" in room. Since there was massive Pulmonary Edema, it would be helpful if we could have a poison specialist or Medical Examiner, tell us what, if any, food-borne poisons can cause massive Pulmonary Edema. The victims had massive Pulmonary Edema. Does anyone know if there are food poisons which cause massive Pulmonary Edema? I readily found dozens of insecticides and gasses--all of which are prevalent in Thailand--that cause massive Pulmonary Edema. If anyone can find some food-borne poisons that do the same, I'm sure we would all feel enlightened.

Since both survivors report " Smell of gas" so why are you fixating on food borne poisons?

And most spoiled food poisoning by bacteria causes diarrhea, that is what kills you in the end . N one had this symptom .

Let us not forget the other 5 or so mystery deaths in the Andaman region last summer, 2 of which in Phuket had the same symptoms of violent vomiting . A German man and
A young Iranian woman ( who had visited Phi Phi the day before she took ill and died . )

**nevets** · 19-01-2010, 11:04 AM

I have some times fitted detectors for gas and the like methane is the main from the ground where shops and other buildings have been built on land fill.
May be the land around the house gave up some gas that was deadly and a natural expulsion.

**guyinthailand** · 19-01-2010, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Since both survivors report " Smell of gas" so why are you fixating on food borne poisons?

Fixating? Not really, just loathe to let unsubstantiated or incorrect comments go by. You two are the same ones who were posting reams of shite about cassava cyanide IIRC.

Ok, teacher, thanks for making sure we keep in line. We'll just let you do all the detective work, since you've got it all figured out. In case you haven't noticed, there is not much that is 'substantiated' or 'correct' about what is known about the investigation, including your implying that it was food poisoning. As if there is a big difference between ‘poisons’ and ‘toxins’ as your earlier post suggested! ‘Toxins’ are ‘poisonous’ to the body, get it?

And cyanide poisons in different forms are easily available in Thailand. Cassava (mansapparang) is only one source of cyanide in Thailand as was pointed out in my lengthy earlier posts in the original thread on these mysterious deaths. Instead of responding to the earlier posts immediately above here which raise legitimate questions about your idea of bacterial food poisoning and which ask you to identify what, if any, food poisons can cause 1) massive pulmonary edema in the context of 2) “a strong chemical odor” in their hotel room (& those two things may not be connected, I know—but they probably are related!)—instead of responding to that, you instead bring up a minor irrelevant point & old discussion of cyanide and cassava and make it into a straw man that you can knock down. Thanks, Sherlock.

**guyinthailand** · 19-01-2010, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by nevets

I have some times fitted detectors for gas and the like methane is the main from the ground where shops and other buildings have been built on land fill.
May be the land around the house gave up some gas that was deadly and a natural expulsion.

I had a smoke detector activate one day in and it wouldn't stop even by pressing 'reset'. I didn't smell smoke but I opened my curtain anyway. There was your standard issue Thai with his 3 gallon motorized insecticide backpack next door spraying a colorless, odorless insecticide---to defoliate his yard because he was too lazy to cut the weeds.

This same thing happened six months later, with a different smoke detector.

Both smoke detectors were inoperable after that--probably because detector mechanism had been coated with petrochemical-based insecticide.

**masuk** · 19-01-2010, 04:50 PM

I Once stayed at a dingy little hostel in Indonesia, and after being shown the room, the staff guy casually told me that a Japanese tourist had died in the bathtub recently. Blamed it on drugs of course, but not necessarily any proof of that.

That night I turned on the gas water heater to have a shower, and realised that it was not vented. Checked the door, and it had no ventilator. It was either no oxygen or monoxide.

Typical I'm afraid.

**guyinthailand** · 21-01-2010, 02:45 AM

Returning to what MustavaMond said about his being deliberately poisoned because he questioned the quality of the coffee in a hotel: I, too, feel that I was deliberately poisoned in Pai after I questioned a tuna sandwich. A dog at a nearby guesthouse was poisoned at the same restaurant where I think I was poisoned, according to a nearby guesthouse owner. On that same trip to Pai I met a Western couple who told me they had both been drugged when a Pai bartender slipped something in their drink. I witnessed 10 dogs die violent poisoning deaths at a Wat near my home and the monk who ‘ran’ the temple told me it was the alcoholic guy who lived next door to the temple.

And let’s not forget the story of the Thai grandmother who murdered by poison numerous members of her own family, including her young grandchildren. Thais can have a lot of anger ‘hidden’ underneath their ‘sabai’ exterior, especially in a culture that has brainwashed them to ‘stuff/hide/not show’ any anger.

So, even discounting Muslim terrorists, I can easily picture a disgruntled Thai poisoning tourists for whatever twisted reasons.

Every culture seems to have mass murderers and serial killers. Why should Thailand be any different? Just because the Thai media doesn’t highlight unsolved killings, or admit to having serial killers—doesn’t mean they don’t exist in Thailand.

Bon Appetit.

**kingwilly** · 21-01-2010, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

^

Grrrrrrr.

As someone who was deliberately poisoned for complaining about stale coffee at a " 5 star " resort off the coast of Pattaya, in fact, I too was vomiting violently for about 24 hours , I feel this was deliberate .
However it may have been more sinister in its approach as I recovered within 36 hours with a little help from electrolytes.
Could this have been a terrorist attack of sorts? I think it is .....odd the major tourist centres of T land have yet to be targeted.

FFS

are you for real ?

**kingwilly** · 21-01-2010, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

So, even discounting Muslim terrorists,

erm....

ah whatever, carry on guys....

**superman** · 21-01-2010, 08:14 AM

I go for the theory that they both ate partially cooked cassava and died of cyanide poisoning. Easily done and very hard to detect.

**guyinthailand** · 22-01-2010, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by superman

I go for the theory that they both ate partially cooked cassava and died of cyanide poisoning. Easily done and very hard to detect.

I believe there were early autopsy reports showing blood cyanide levels in the victim(s) but I think that was 'retracted' by the Thais. See original Teakdoor thread (url above) on this to see posts concerning how Thai fisherman, for example, use liquid cyanide to mass-kill fish for easy catching. And, of course, the crop grown just about everywhere in Thailand--mansapparang (cassava)--contains cyanide.

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