Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

So they were placed right at the location of crime scene , went swimming before returning home, and at some point found Davids phone ( but away from the murder site..)
HAHAHAHAAHHAHA

Asians swimming ? and at that time ?

So after claiming they were too drunk to remember the nights events , in court they recall their swim and the location of phone find

And I'm still the only one on teakdoor who thinks they were involved....
AMAZING

The two men admitted in the trial that they were playing guitar and drinking beer, whilst sitting on a log. However, they insisted that they left the beach before the killings took place and went swimming in the sea on their way home instead.

CCTV footage indicates that Miller and Witheridge left AC Bar, where they were drinking prior to their deaths, by the back door, which led directly to Sai Ree Beach. The path between AC Bar’s back door and the crime scene also goes past the log where the two defendants were allegedly drinking beer and playing guitar.

The two defendants said they suddenly had the idea of going swimming in the sea on their way back to the residence. It was in the dead of the night, and it was raining slightly. It is unimaginable that any person would have made this decision, unless they wanted to erase the evidence on their shirts and bodies.

Smashed phone found at second defendant’s home was proven to belong to Miller, with help from Miller’s father to identify the IMEI serial number. The second defendant claimed he found the phone on the way back to his residence, but this claim is deemed questionable.

Koh Tao Murders: Court Says DNA Trumps Other Flaws in Case

Originally Posted by terry57

^

He writes exactly the same as a thieving politician, I would not be taking any of that on board.

Further more,

The vast majority of punters know shit, they are only following behind munters like this.

So how do you respond to these?
Particularly #3,4 & 5.

1.Hannah's clothing untested for forensics and missing from evidence (obviously would have the murderer's DNA on them)
2.Both young Burmese men were allegedly tortured for a false confession. Their bruises seen by witnesses.
3.No valid DNA evidence was presented at the court.
4.According to Thai police DNA samples were contaminated or ‘used up’.
5.Thai police didn't test the alleged murder weapon for DNA. Dr. Pornthip, head of the Central Institute of Forensic Science stated in court that the DNA on the murder weapon does not match the defendants.
6.There are undisclosed discrepancies between Thai coroner’s report vs UK report.
7.Thai suspects DNA sample never received and tested.
8.CCTV footage at pier never checked despite an early morning boat leaving on the day of the murders.
9.Two actual eyewitnesses to the murders of Hannah and David too afraid to testify.
10.High ranking police gave very contradictory statements whilst testifying at court.
11.No "chain of custody" maintained with forensics.
12.No DNA evidence regarding cigarette butts given to the court.
13.Blonde hair found in Hannah's hand with root on it never forensically tested. now, missing from evidence.

Thai government sanctions the murder of more innocent Burmese men to maintain their superior justice system regardless of the facts.

Believe me my Thai family is sick about this but have to live under a regime that will arrest anyone for using the wrong words. They are indoctrinated to bow down in order to maintain an orderly life, which goes against every fiber of my body. Too late for me as I hold them very dear and must suffer this injustice with them.

The Burmese boys will not be forgotten.

Widespread corruption and ineptitude doesn't necessary mean the 2 men are not guilty.

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Originally Posted by textalk

Thai government sanctions the murder of more innocent Burmese men to maintain their superior justice system regardless of the facts.

Believe me my Thai family is sick about this but have to live under a regime that will arrest anyone for using the wrong words. They are indoctrinated to bow down in order to maintain an orderly life, which goes against every fiber of my body. Too late for me as I hold them very dear and must suffer this injustice with them.

The Burmese boys will not be forgotten.

Against every fiber of the civilized world textalk, but I hear what you are saying. Thailand is well down the slippery slope sliding toward medieval times. So glad I left.

Originally Posted by blue

Widespread corruption and ineptitude doesn't necessary mean the 2 men are not guilty.

No, but it casts doubt over whether they are, indeed guilty. As a westerner, we kind of go with "beyond a reasonable doubt"...but there is nothing but doubt in this case.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by blue

Widespread corruption and ineptitude doesn't necessary mean the 2 men are not guilty.

No, but it casts doubt over whether they are, indeed guilty. As a westerner, we kind of go with "beyond a reasonable doubt"...but there is nothing but doubt in this case.

2 suspects found with the murdered guys phone , were at the crime scene , suspiciously went for a midnight swim , lied about what they could remember...

Name a country where in that scenario they wouldn't be prime suspects ?

What if the arrested were a couple of uneducated tattooed British chavs that had been on the piss and woke up with the phone next morning ...Would daft liberals be championing then ? paying for their defense and concocting all manor of doubts ..

Oh but they are poor little illegal immigrants , only boys, Burmese lads...

Originally Posted by blue

2 suspects found with the murdered guys phone

Say's the cops ?????? And we all know thai cops are as honest as the day is long.

The difference between guilt and truth is only in whose story You would rather believe (or feel better about).

Anonymous Video and DNA Summary of Facts

Christopher Harkins
honolulu, U.S. Minor Outlying Islands
4 Jan 2016 — Below you will see an article written by Andrew Drummond which contains a summary about the facts of the DNA evidence and a link to a very informative video about the whole case and other cases of Royal Thai Police obstruction of justice and torturing and scapegoating of migrants for crimes that they very likely had nothing to do with.

From Andrew Drummond's site, an interesting and basic explanation of the alleged seminal DNA evidence in Koh Tao trial.

The following are excerpts of the full article. Please read Andrew Drummond's complete article contained in the link below

""SOME OLD WOUNDS, SOME NEW ONES, COME TO THE FORE AS CONTROVERSIAL MURDER TRIAL ROW CONTINUES

As the row over the conviction and death sentences of two young Burmese for the murders of Britons Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on the Thai island of Koh Tao continued to boil – it has become apparent that the controversial case has become a rallying point for other victims and relatives of victims of other similar cases.

While the Burmese government has asked Thailand to review the case and the Ambassador has complainied about being misquoted in a Bangkok Post report, demonstrations continue in Burma and at Thai Embassies abroad hundreds of Brits, including many expats, have gone on social media to express their views on Thai police.
It is now known that the trial judges completely dismissed the evidence of Thailand’s Chief Forensic scientist Dr. Pornthip Rojanasund and contemptuously dismissed the evidence of Andy Hall of the Myanmar Workers Rights Network who testified to the discrepancies in the Thai Post Mortem compared with one carried out on Hannah Witheridge in Norwich; and the identification of the ‘running man’ in the CCTV video on Koh Tao.

If the following assessment is to be believed, it appears that the court did not really understand DNA nor did the prosecution witnesses. This comes from a person who had been at the trial with considerable medical and legal experience.

1. It consists of a one page table replete with hand written amendments, date changes and data alterations. This document would NOT be admissible in any court in the UK, Australia, USA, EU, Hong Kong, Malaysia or Singapore.

2. It is NOT supported by any case notes, chain-of-custody records, nor statistics based on validated population data bases. The omission of that information is a COMPLETE abrogation of international ISO 17025 standards and would lead to a FULL audit of the police laboratory by an international accreditation agency!

3. The table has been used to match DNA components, which is an extreme oversimplification of the entire DNA process! It relies on single alleles rather than genotypes. (An allele is ONE of a pair of genes that appear in ONE part of a chromosome that help to determine heredity traits.)

4. Because there is NO statistical analysis to determine the probability of the stated frequencies in the table, it is absolutely NOT possible to determine the likelihood of the accused as being the contributors to the mixture! There, in fact, could be a VERY large number of other individuals who could NOT be ruled out as contributors!

5. It is, therefore, COMPLETELY erroneous (wrong) to claim a DNA match on the basis of the position of mere alleles on a DNA molecule without statistics to determine the probability!

For these reasons, it CANNOT be said (from any kind of scientific or legal standpoint) that there was a match between the DNA from the semen the police alleged to have and the DNA that was (forcibly, without consent or legal representation) retrieved from the two accused! Basing the conviction on COMPLETELY flawed DNA evidence has resulted in an EXTREME miscarriage of justice!" (end of quoting AD ARTICLE)

(The below is written by an independent concerned citizen who attended every court session of the trial and is written in her own words as she publicly posted it on social media)

“Below is my own personal recollection of events, as recalled from all court sessions, to the best of my recollection. I hereby make no claims that it is 100% accurate:

If anyone needs to direct their anger somewhere, the RTP (Royal Thai Police) are worthy recipients. To sum this case up in a nut shell: Two young men have been sentenced to death on the basis of a sloppy one page document replete with handwritten amendments and crossings out, including date changes. That's it!

Nowhere in the civilized world could such a document be put into evidence and form the basis of a conviction and sentence!

We must not let the RTP get away with this! forget everything else as this is the basis of this case.

The defense team requested that the DNA be retested independently and the court finally, after much time and the trial was already well underway, agreed. The police first stated that the DNA sample was "all used up", which is-in actuality-scientifically impossible!

Then the police later (one or two days’ time) stated, "no, it was not all used up. we have some of the solution left." The defense team was granted permission in court to independently retest the sample and so technicians from Dr. Porntip's lab took cheek swabs from both accused boys, in court under close observation, during the court session during which Dr. Porntip testified.

BUT, what actually remained of the police's alleged DNA "evidence" to be retested was, in fact, merely the midway solution required in the actual DNA testing process itself.

This midpoint solution will give an accurate profile; however, it CANNOT determine the actual ORIGINAL SOURCE of the DNA! Therefore, it will NOT show if original alleged DNA from the female decedent at the crime scene came from "semen" as the Royal Thai Police claim, or if it in fact came from oral mucosa, skin, hair, blood, saliva, cigarette butts, etc.

Also, the court demanded that the DNA evidence from Dr. Porntip's lab be returned to the COURT itself and NOT to the defense team!!! Thus, the results and factual information would be completely out of the defense team’s hands and thereby highly susceptible to contamination / falsification. For those two reasons, the defense team then; very wisely, declined retesting.

Independent verification (and independent receipt) is another "inalienable human right", as well as a legal right, agreed upon per international standards, so, once again; the accused boys rights were severely violated.

As a licensed and board certified medical professional, very familiar with and highly experienced with the strict scientifically necessary procedures which MUST be adhered to during the collection of (and rigid documentation of) forensic evidence acquired from rape victims in the Emergency Room intended to be used in a legal court of law in the United States of America, I'm shocked and appalled by the disgracefully unprofessional and non-scientifically qualifying (accurate) collection and so called documentation methods utilized by members of the Royal Thai Police whilst on the crime scene, as well as every action and process of documentation of the alleged DNA evidence utilized and displayed by the Royal Thai police de facto crime scene location. It is my educated and highly experienced professional, and personal, opinion that no one can even be at all certain-in any way-that there ever actually was semen present at the crime scene.

Please see links below. For those in Thailand, Andrew Drummond's FB link is where you should go since his website is blocked in Thailand. Please also share and continue to support our cause on social media.

https://www.facebook.com/andrew.drum...53808088904512

KOH TAO VERDICT BRINGS OUT VICTIMS OF THAI JUSTICE - Andrew Drummond

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=567635633385675

Jurisprudence has a different meaning in Thailand.

Seems that the British Foreign Office, Metropolitan Police Service and the victims' families under their influence, appear to not comprehend that which is a little bit odd given their "expertise".

I really do feel sorry for Miller's brother who seems to have made a complete arse of himself.

Fed a line no doubt by the Embassy and Met, silly sod fell for it,suppose when your hurting so much completion is needed.

A Burmese man claimed he saw everything on that night and who did it. He said he would give details to international police but not the Thai police.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

A Burmese man claimed he saw everything on that night and who did it. He said he would give details to international police but not the Thai police.

Good. did he see the 2 drunk Burmese going for a unbelievable nighttime 'swim' for fun and then miraculously find Davids phone ?

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

This video needs translating into Thai to be effective..

@24.30 particularly worth watching..

I tried my best,,,I watched that bit:
So there's the unverified story of - blond hairs found in Hannas hand, with the conclusion:
so how could it be the two Burmese !!! obviously dark haired

Then that sean mcanna drama (who comically has blond hair)
supposedly implicating the island mafia
case solved !!
According to Anonymous it seems it was the chiefs (black haired) cousin.
wellllll
now there's a tiny flaw in this line of thought. but i cannot quiet put my finger on it yet...

One point that was over looked .
The two Thai suspect guts knew about the murder very soon after it happened and before it was made public............and so must had the Scottish guy .
He has kept remarkable quiet about this incident , through his own choice and also the investigators .
If the blond hair in the deceased hand was his , why would the Police just arrest him and charge him ?
One possibility is that he was there with the two Thai guys and if they prosecuted him , ALL the evidence and all the story would become known in Court . In Court, he would have said exactly what happened, implicating the others .
Also, the blond hair could have been the thai guys hair, the sun bleaches hair and theres also hair dye , so thats inconclusive . The Thai guy also had his hair cut soon after
The fact is that the hair was over looked as evidence .

Even if the hair story is true it might have just been the girls own hair


If they really wanted Sean McAnna dead why tell him in advance ?

To sum up : it's all a complete mess.

Originally Posted by blue

Even if the hair story is true it might have just been the girls own hair


If they really wanted Sean McAnna dead why tell him in advance ?

Asian hair and felang hair is completely different and it would have been immediately apparent whom it belonged to, Asian or European .
As there has just been rapes and murders and probably drugs and drink consumed as well , and the Thais assumed that they had Sean cornered and he had no escape , they could well have let him know their intentions , Sean ran and hid and spent the rest of the evening hiding for his life , they probably didnt think that he could run so fast

Originally Posted by blue

Even if the hair story is true it might have just been the girls own hair

Indeed it was probably the girls own hair, but we will never know as all DNA as been compromised and since the start.

The damning testimony of McCanna after the murders fearing for his life and the pics from inside the 7/11 are pretty substantial evidence worthy off an independent criminal court.

Originally Posted by blue

2 suspects found with the murdered guys phone , .

Wasnt that phone handed in by a felang who found it on the beach..........and the same phone was later "found" by the police behind the Burmese guys house?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by blue

2 suspects found with the murdered guys phone , .

Wasnt that phone handed in by a felang who found it on the beach..........and the same phone was later "found" by the police behind the Burmese guys house?

Really, didn't know that.
Any links?

Sounds like Chinese Whispers to me.

"The confirmation came as doubts spread on social media
social media as to whether the phone was really taken from the suspects. Some pictures circulated online show a friend of Witheridge brought a mobile phone to Pol Col Prachum during the inquest. "