Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I have to add, it was not the court that rejected the police case numerous times, but the prosecutor who requested "clarifications." YOrlov is offline Add to YOrlov's Reputation Report Post

The point is, the police case was rejected numerous times. I smell a pedant.

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

Those hands seem to be tied very tight not loose.

I read a report that said that it was a possibility that he tied his hands together then stepped through them so they where behind his back. Tied the lace around his neck first and kicked the chair away.

Possible I suppose.

the tightness could be due to post mortem changes, but i doubt it, the body had only been there for two hours.

how on earth could someone tie their wrists together so tightly?

this doesnt look like suicide to me at all.

but in the general scheme of things, its just another bloody troublesome foreigner interrupting the locals income stream down there so best get it done and dusted as quick as possible so they can get back to their fleecing again.

for a baht these awful people will shamelessly plumb the deepest depths.

Unless he was an accomplished contortionist, one must assume he undertook the manoeuvre whilst sitting down. Then, with his arms firmly tied behind his back, he mounted whichever platform was available and managed to insert his head through the noose he had fashioned. This of course was not the rigid, copra like, rope noose one associates with executions but some other ligature, through which he managed to get his head, unaided and without the use of his hands, and position it nicely so as to throttle his windpipe rather than simply suspending him just under his chin. Far fetched if you ask me and not something one is likely to accomplish whilst the old balance of mind is deeply disturbed.

Frankly, the suicide scenario is beyond any credibility. Only an idiot or a Thai could propose it.

I think a rumour of a cursed ghost circulating on Turtle Murder Island would suit these fckers "just fine," much like the "curse" they put on that area that was notorious for Thais killing themselves by diving from a cliff into shallow water...

No amount of reason in the way of warning signs would stop these fools from killing themselves...

However, as soon as they started the rumour of a curse and spooks, people no longer even went there...

Ergo, let's curse this cursed place...Fck 'em...

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Unless he was an accomplished contortionist, one must assume he undertook the manoeuvre whilst sitting down. Then, with his arms firmly tied behind his back, he mounted whichever platform was available and managed to insert his head through the noose he had fashioned. This of course was not the rigid, copra like, rope noose one associates with executions but some other ligature, through which he managed to get his head, unaided and without the use of his hands, and position it nicely so as to throttle his windpipe rather than simply suspending him just under his chin. Far fetched if you ask me and not something one is likely to accomplish whilst the old balance of mind is deeply disturbed.

Frankly, the suicide scenario is beyond any credibility. Only an idiot or a Thai could propose it.

it's nothing to do with your windpipe, any ligature will close off the major arteries to the brain bringing unconsciousness in the same manner as a chokehold.
2 to 3 minutes before you are out, then 10 to 15 before you are dead.

all about hanging.


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Hi, Blue
Must admit I do not post on here very often, I am just content to read most of the crape that is posted here.
But you always seem to have an extremely bias perspective on this case.
Why is that ?
I am guessing that there is some type of vested interest here.
Perhaps you could explain your views and why you seem to be very very biased in this case and most cases regarding Koh Tao.
Its ok, I think I and most people on here already know.
But, let us know.

Originally Posted by stekegto

Its ok, I think I and most people on here already know.
But, let us know.

Hmm...

Whether you agree with him or not, he has an opinion...We certainly don't know for sure what happened on Turtle Murder Island...Most do believe it's a set-up, however...

I think my idea rocks...

Turtle Murder Island is cursed...The ghosts are circling...Stay away...This would work if we just promote it...

Originally Posted by stekegto

Hi, Blue
Must admit I do not post on here very often, I am just content to read most of the crape that is posted here.
But you always seem to have an extremely bias perspective on this case.
Why is that ?
I am guessing that there is some type of vested interest here.
Perhaps you could explain your views and why you seem to be very very biased in this case and most cases regarding Koh Tao.
Its ok, I think I and most people on here already know.
But, let us know.

One day I spent hours visited every websie in the world thats reporting this case, it seems I'm the only forum member/poster on the planet that thinks the Burmese are guilty.

Teakdoor is very lucky to have me .

It's like science- it only takes one man who is right demolish an established theory.


My main reason for thinking they are guilty is their dna was found at the crime scene.....

There are a reported 300,000+ people locked up in Thailand are they all innocent and set up ?


I only just scrape into the top ten posters on this thread , i have no vested interest in the case any more than the other regular posters here.

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stekegto you should post more often ,tell us your views on the case, always nice to hear anothers view.

Blue, although it is true that their DNA was found at the crime scene, we have not definitely and completely established whether it was DNA from their saliva on cigarette butts nearby (where they were playing guitar) or if it was DNA from sperm found inside the girl.

I've considred that , and yes its strange indeed on 2 counts:

1- the police never clear that point up and state if the suspects dna matches the sperm or just the litter.
If they havent a match they need to open the case back up and look for at least 2 more suspects, even if the burmese were found guilty of involvement .
Surely even the Thai police cannot be that brazen to stand up in court and say - we have two dna samples that don't match these suspects , but we have closed the case and are not looking for anyone else ?
Maybe they just wised up and decided the less they say the better.

2- the defence team never mention dna either; you would think they would demand the suspects be tested like the village chief's son was and clear the case up, unless they have something to hide ?

All four hospitals that took DNA samples from Warot Tuwichian, son of the Koh Tao village headman, have indicated that the samples do not match the DNA found at the crime scene.

But you are right , yes maybe i should qualify the statements I make and say it appears the police have a DNA match.

But my second reason I think they did it, is still water tight,
ie they LOOK guilty.

It isn't strange at all. Trolling this thread with the consent of the mods is strange.

The two patsies gave their DNA which does NOT match the DNA found on the rape victim. If it did, it would have been trumpeted on the first day of their arraignment.

That Somchai chickenhead son's DNA was not matched either by no less than 4 hospitals is proof of nothing other than the fact that a) the sampling was not done properly; b) his DNA was not submitted for any match and c) the victim's DNA was not used for any spurious matching.

If you believe the main exhibit in a murder/ rape investigation was parcelled around 4 separate hospitals whose DNA matching facilities are non- existent means something then you are an idiot as well as a poor troll.

Originally posted by Blue.

But my second reason I think they did it, is still water tight,
ie they LOOK guilty.

Now come on that is 100% Trolling

That comment is about as water tight as a seize.
sep

Perhaps you mean a sieve, Septimus ? Yes, Blue is trolling at the end of his post, but before that he has made good points.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The two patsies gave their DNA which does NOT match the DNA found on the rape victim. If it did, it would have been trumpeted on the first day of their arraignment.

One would certainly think so. Will the prosecution really try to prove a DNA connection on such tenuous evidence ?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Perhaps you mean a sieve, Septimus ? Yes, Blue is trolling at the end of his post, but before that he has made good points.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The two patsies gave their DNA which does NOT match the DNA found on the rape victim. If it did, it would have been trumpeted on the first day of their arraignment.

One would certainly think so. Will the prosecution really try to prove a DNA connection on such tenuous evidence ?

Both Blue and you are supposing that the signed affidavit and evidence given that the matching samples did actually come from the semen and the defendants cheek swab, and that the court will have both an interest and method of ensuring this is so. Or even that the semen in the evidence bag is the semen from the body and not from a sample obtained from the defendant.

True. Even in developed countries, it seems that often a policeman's affadavit carries most of the weight. Which really stuffs things up when they decide to lie, in order to prosecute someone they are convinced is guilty.....but who sometimes isn't.

As for where the semen really came from, let's just hope the court processes uncover the truth.

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

A criminologist

google definition:
''Criminologists study a variety of factors to determine why criminals commit crimes. They consider psychological and social concerns, research data about crimes and arrests and study the background of the criminal to determine if any biological situations led him or her to commit the crime.''

Criminologists sounds good but looks like its the wrong field of expertise to determine what happened here ...

a forensic pathologist would be able to shed a light on exactly what happened, but preferably one not in the pocket of the koh samui/tao police chief.

Pre-inquest review into death of Hannah Witheridge - News - Eastern Daily Press

The pre-inquest review into the death of Hemsby’s Hannah Witheridge will be adjourned until October.

Norfolk’s coroner Jacqueline Lake today outlined the trial dates of two Burmese men charged with the murder 23-year-old Miss Witheridge, a University of East Anglia graduate, and fellow tourist David Miller, from Jersey.

The pair were found dead on Koh Tao, off the east coast of Thailand on September 15.

The trial of two Burmese men charged with the murder was adjourned until July last month.

Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 21, are accused of killing the pair.

Both men were arrested three months ago and initially confessed, but later retracted the confession, saying they had been tortured.

They are also accused of rape and robbery.

At Norwich Coroner’s Court, Mrs Lake said the murder trial is set to resume on July 8 this year.

“We are presently awaiting a full report from the Thai police”, she told the court.

She said the report has been prepared through the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and witnesses for the defence are due to appear at the trial in September.

She adjourned the pre-inquest review until October 15, 2015.

The guy was murdered. The Thai don't want it investigated. All down to the French, really, if he was indeed French and not some Rooskie/Algerian/Tunisian/Moroccan or other on a forged passport.

Originally Posted by blue

Pre-inquest review into death of Hannah Witheridge - News - Eastern Daily Press

The pre-inquest review into the death of Hemsby’s Hannah Witheridge will be adjourned until October.

Norfolk’s coroner Jacqueline Lake today outlined the trial dates of two Burmese men charged with the murder 23-year-old Miss Witheridge, a University of East Anglia graduate, and fellow tourist David Miller, from Jersey.


“We are presently awaiting a full report from the Thai police”, she told the court.

Shouldn't hold your breath on that one, love.

Norfolk’s coroner Jacqueline Lake today outlined the trial dates of two Burmese men charged with the murder 23-year-old Miss Witheridge, a University of East Anglia graduate, and fellow tourist David Miller, from Jersey.
The pair were found dead on Koh Tao, off the east coast of Thailand on September 15.
The trial of two Burmese men charged with the murder was adjourned until July last month.
Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 21, are accused of killing the pair.
Both men were arrested three months ago and initially confessed, but later retracted the confession, saying they had been tortured.

They are also accused of rape and robbery.
At Norwich Coroner’s Court, Mrs Lake said the murder trial is set to resume on July 8 this year.
“We are presently awaiting a full report from the Thai police”, she told the court.
She said the report has been prepared through the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and witnesses for the defence are due to appear at the trial in September.
She adjourned the pre-inquest review until October 15, 2015.