Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

A blond hair on a telephone! Extremely unlikely if not impossible. Just look at the pics of the jeans and phone. For christs sake they are not even bagged, in a real investigation/case this so called evidence would now be deemed useless. A decent lawyer could get these items ruled out as tainted/contaminated. Joke police force in Thailand.

Yup...he got jealous and did em. And teh generals statement about times when it's safe to be outside? It should be safe at any time. Might as well admit Thailand is not a safe place to visit.

So there's a blond hair on the phone of a girl with blond hair. And the bloody jeans have mysteriously moved from the room of the Burmese alleged suspect into the bag of the alleged British suspect. Who left the island, but returned of his own volition a day later, but decided it would be a good idea to hold onto the bloody jeans he had (allegedly) in his bag.

Well done, Somchai. All will be revealed....

savage chickenhead scum indeed - it was Miller's British room-mate if this is correct:

British backpacker arrested for suspected murder of fellow Britons at Koh Tao

Surat Thani police yesterday arrested a British tourist after he was suspected to have connection with the deaths of two fellow Britons in Koh Tao off Surat Thani coast.

Police identified the British back packer as Christopher Alan Ware.

Police said they arrested him after employees of a resort on the beach told police that Mr Christopher was seen strolling near the scene where the two British tourists were killed on the night of September 14.

Besides they also found a significant evidence which is a blood stain on his clothes.

Police said Christopher urgently left the popular diving paradise on the first ferry to the mainland the next day after the murder was discovered.

But the police said they are awaiting DNA test to prove the blood stain, and also from DNA samples tested by the Police Forensic Office if any DNA sample matching DNA found at the scene and the victim’s body.

If it somehow turned out that this couple was indeed hacked down by a fellow countryman, Thaivisa is going to go into a total meltdown; but how can it be ruled out at this stage?

If they had all been staying at the same place, drinking, partying and who knows what, it's a possibility that something went sour between them.

Farangs do kill each other from time to time....and not infrequently over a good looking girl... It's not always a Burmese gardener or a an angry somchai....

Thailand backpacker murder: When paradise turns sour


Will the murder of two British backpackers be a wake-up call to other Western revellers?

At what point paradise becomes lost depends on whom you speak to. For Thomas, a 35-year-old childcare manager from London, the dark side of Thailand’s party islands emerged on only the second night of his three-week holiday.

After visiting one of the notorious “full moon parties” on Koh Phangan, where 30,000 revellers high on drink and drugs crash like waves upon the beach, he left his five friends, with whom he had travelled out from Britain, and climbed into what he believed was a taxi to take him back to his hotel.

“I was feeling a bit worse for wear and didn’t realise until I got in that there were three Thai men in the front,” he says. “I think they were trying to get me to fall asleep because they were driving me around for ages. When I realised they hadn’t taken me to the hotel, I asked them to stop, but they didn’t.”

Instead, Thomas found himself driven through the night on dirt roads, deep into the jungle. “I suddenly realised the danger I was in and jumped out of the back seat, and rolled on to the ground, knocking myself nearly unconscious. They all got out and surrounded me. It looked like it was going to get really nasty so I took out all my money – which was about £20 – and handed it over. Then they just left me where I was and drove off.”

What followed was a seven-hour walk through fields and farms, stalked by feral dogs, before he made it to a shop where he collapsed, severely dehydrated. Here the alarm was raised and Thomas was driven back to his hotel by a man on a scooter.


“I reported it to the staff there and they told me it sounded really strange, and that nothing like that ever usually happened. But when I mentioned it to other expats I met during the holiday, they told me it happened every day. There were stories of people being tied to trees and robbed and so on.”

Among such horror stories are also tales of murder. In January 2013, soon after Thomas had returned from his trip, 22-year-old City trader Stephen Ashton was shot dead at a New Year’s party on a Koh Phangan beach. He had been dancing with around 400 other tourists when a gunfight broke out between two Thai gangs. Stephen was caught in the crossfire.

Now, as this year’s tourist season gets under way, more young British lives have been lost on the white sand beaches of the Gulf of Thailand. Police are hunting the murderers of Hannah Witheridge, 23, a university graduate from Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, and David Miller, 24, from Jersey, after they were attacked with a garden hoe while walking home from a late-night party on the island of Koh Tao on Saturday. Their deaths take to 13 the number of British visitors killed in Thailand over the past five years.

One reporter on the Samui Times, an online English-language newspaper covering the archipelago that comprises the holiday islands of Samui, Phangan and Tao, yesterday told The Telegraph there may in fact be more: the authorities are so anxious to protect the country’s reputation as a dream holiday destination that unexplained deaths of Westerners are often branded suicides and not properly investigated. “There have been a couple of reported suicides where a person has been said to have fallen off a balcony, but there is more to it than that.”

In addition to the murders, on its website the Foreign Office points to “vicious, unprovoked attacks by gangs, violent assaults and robberies, sexual assaults and reports of people having their drinks spiked”. All this in a holiday destination that has attracted four million British visitors over the past five years. Ever since the publication of Alex Garland’s novel The Beach two decades ago, the islands of Thailand have become a parable for our globe-trotting times.

Koh Tao is the smallest and most remote of the archipelago’s three islands. It is seen as a relaxing outpost, in contrast to other more hedonistic resorts, where tourists can be found lazing on the beach or enjoying a spot of snorkelling or scuba diving. Even the party at which Witheridge and Miller spent their final evening was a quiet affair by Thai resort standards. There were no more than 50 to 60 people dancing, with a handful of fire jugglers on the beach. By 1am, the party had come to a close, so the pair walked down the dark beach towards the Ocean View hotel where they were staying with friends in separate rooms. Their bloodied bodies were only discovered when the sun rose.

Last night, fellow travellers on the island lit around 100 candles and joss sticks on the beach where the Britons were killed. But there seems little in the way of soul-searching from the authorities to explain how yet another murder has taken place here. The prompt arrests of a number of Burmese migrants are seen by some residents as a token gesture to the watching world.

“There have always been Burmese migrants in Thailand but there is a greater number at the moment because there is a lot of infrastructure being built to cater for the increased number of tourists and investment opportunities,” says British expat Clare Plunkett, who has lived on Phuket for the past five years and whose 17-year-old daughter and 16-year-old son attend its international school. “The Burmese are usually considered below a Thai person. They look down on them and they they normally live in shanty towns in the environs of wherever they are working.”

Plunkett, 44, says she steers clear of the party area of the island, and neither she nor her family have ever once felt threatened in the time she has lived there. She has, however, noticed a changing attitude in the Thai people towards foreigners – whom they call farang – and a growing clash between a conservative Buddhist culture and the worst behaviour that Western hedonism has to offer.

Despite its strict drug laws, Thailand’s beach parties are fuelled by ecstasy, magic-mushroom pizzas and everything in between. An explosion of yaba, a mixture of crystal meth and caffeine whose name translates as “crazy medicine”, has recently been reported among the locals. Westerners, meanwhile, wash down everything with the ubiquitous plastic beach buckets filled to the brim with a mix of spirits and energy drinks that cost around 200 baht (£4) each. Unsurprisingly, extreme drunkenness ensues.

Charles, a 27-year-old who runs his own events company in London, recalls the sun rising on one such party in Koh Phangan. “There was this English couple who were having sex in the water, which was obviously incredibly disrespectful to the locals, but everybody went nuts. One Thai guy ran in there and just started attacking the man, then about 20 others followed and beat the absolute hell out of him, to the point where he was lifeless and face down in the water. These Thai people came and drove a pick-up truck on to the beach, and then they just threw him into the back of it and drove off.

“Mainly I experienced Thai people to be very nice, but on the islands with these hordes of Westerners coming over with no interest in culture at all, things can get pretty violent.”

Others describe the scene as similar to any 18-30 strip on Rhodes or to Magaluf, even if it does involve a £500-plus flight halfway across the world. Travel writer Michelle Jana Chan says the latest horror story, no matter how appalling, will do little to dent Thai resorts’ reputation for unbridled hedonism: “I don’t think it will hurt business or tourism. These young people are at an immortal age, where you don’t think it will happen to you.” Still they come. A once untouched wilderness is now a global party destination, its pristine sands another murder scene.


Daily Telegraph
Sept 17 2014

^^Anything is possible. Young tourist backpackers don't normally commit acts of such savagery on other young backpackers. An argument over a young lady might result in a drunken fight, but I can't think off hand where such an incident has resulted in a rape and brutal double murder.

He left the island the next morning. If he's involved, why did he come back? Why didn't he ditch the bloody pants, the bag, and everything else that could connect him? Why didn't he haul ass for the nearest border?

Originally Posted by koman

If it somehow turned out that this couple was indeed hacked down by a fellow countryman, Thaivisa is going to go into a total meltdown; but how can it be ruled out at this stage?
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For those of us who do not monitor Thaivisa, why should that site go into total meltdown?

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

He left the island the next morning. If he's involved, why did he come back? Why didn't he ditch the bloody pants, the bag, and everything else that could connect him? Why didn't he haul ass for the nearest border?

he did go asap

urgently left the popular diving paradise on the first ferry to the mainland the next day after the murder was discovered

Police requested his return to KT, doesn't say, maybe they escorted him back - British Friend Called Back to Koh Tao for More Questions
PHUKET: A British traveller named as Christopher Alan Ware is being questioned again by police investigating the savage murder of two British tourists, Phuketwan learned today from police sources.

^For all we know (or don't), he was scheduled to depart that morning. A quick check of his hotel should establish whether he cut his visit short abruptly, or if it was a scheduled departure.

Maybe Somchai will think to ask that..........or not.

"Urgently left" is newspaper babble, based on nothing.

Police question Christopher Ware, who shared a room with David Miller

Thai Police Find Sperm on Both Koh Tao Bodies, Say Reports
Wednesday, September 17, 2014

PHUKET: Sperm has been found during autopsies on both the bodies of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, according to Thai media reports today.

The sperm was mixed with sand, according to Khao Sod newspaper. It was found in Miller's anus and Hannah Witheridge's vagina, the newspaper reported.

Khao Sod also carried photographs of a bloodstained pair of pants surprisingly found by police in the luggage of David Miller.

Christopher Ware, a British man who was sharing a room at bungalows on the Thai holiday island of Koh Tao with Miller, is now being questioned at length by police about his relationship with Miller and Hannah Witheridge.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^^Anything is possible. Young tourist backpackers don't normally commit acts of such savagery on other young backpackers. An argument over a young lady might result in a drunken fight, but I can't think off hand where such an incident has resulted in a rape and brutal double murder.

He left the island the next morning. If he's involved, why did he come back? Why didn't he ditch the bloody pants, the bag, and everything else that could connect him? Why didn't he haul ass for the nearest border?

Certainly it's not normal, and there may be absolutely nothing to it. All I'm saying is that it can not be ruled out at this stage. We really have no data and as Sherlock said to Holmes "to speculate without data is a capital mistake"

Anyhow the BIB have made an arrest, so we will have to wait and see what they come up with.

^FFS. Now the bloodstained pants have moved again, into the murdered boy's luggage.

From the Burmese worker's room, to "suspect" Ware's bag, over to the bag of the murdered boy.

Can't say young Ware looks much like a double rapist and double murderer.

Given that the BIB now claim both victims were raped, I would think that would point to more than one attacker. Making Ware's involvement even less likely.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^FFS. Now the bloodstained pants have moved again, into the murdered boy's luggage.

From the Burmese worker's room, to "suspect" Ware's bag, over to the bag of the murdered boy.

Can't say young Ware looks much like a double rapist and double murderer.

Given that the BIB now claim both victims were raped, I would think that would point to more than one attacker. Making Ware's involvement even less likely.

It's like JFK's magic bullet.....

He may not look like a murderer and rapist, but he does look worried.

Originally Posted by koman

Thaivisa is going to go into a total meltdown

I don't know about TV, but how with thegent cope with this news?

Must be nappy-change time for him now, but sure he'll be back

A British man has become the prime suspect for the murder of two British tourists and his arrest is imminent, a senior Thai police officer told The Telegraph on Wednesday.

Prachum Ruangthong, the head of police on the Thai island of Koh Tao where the murder took place, said he believed a British man was the likely killer of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller. He refused to name the suspect but said he was one of Mr Miller's friends.

Police would have closed the case by the end of the day once DNA testing on samples of hair found in Ms Witheridge's hand were concluded, he added.

"After this evening everything will become clear."

The bodies of Mr Miller, 24, and Ms Witheridge, 23, were found early on Monday morning on the southern edge of Sairee beach on the island of Koh Tao.

British man 'prime suspect' in Thailand murder - Telegraph

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Given that the BIB now claim both victims were raped,

Rape in one case, 'enforced buggery' in the other.

jese h corbet - who is this copper?

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Police would have closed the case by the end of the day once DNA testing on samples of hair found in Ms Witheridge's hand were concluded, he added.T

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Now the hair samples have moved....from the phone to her hand. Ware has pretty short, non-blond hair.

If you were in the hands of the BIB, wouldn't you look/be worried.?

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Given that the BIB now claim both victims were raped, I would think that would point to more than one attacker. Making Ware's involvement even less likely.

Possible.

But a threeway gone horribly wrong could also explain what is known.

Time and again we read from these clueless journalists the same old cliche that times are a- changing and conflict is arising out of the impact western so called hedonism has upon " deeply held Buddhist beliefs ".

What a crock of horseshit. As if the Thai haven't raped, beaten, robbed and pillaged their own kind mercilessly over the past 200 years.

The implication is of course just a rerun of the Thai hypocrisy but given traction by stupid, conceited farang who invariably claim to have a great insight into the Thai culture because they happen to have run a fucking business for five years: " Yep, it's because we aren't respecting their " kulcha " is why we get attacked etc. "

Thai are largely unsophisticated folk, quite clueless about other cultures and simply view tourists as a commodity, similar to cattle or kwai,mand worth enduring because of the money. They have no wish to engage with tourists, they have no desire to understand them and, more importantly for those who wish to travel safely, their men are pack animals who will savage anyone for even the most minor transgression on the flimsiest of pretexts.

Also, the real low end Thai trash, whether they be gormless Isaanites, mafia foot soldiers or beach dross who fancy themselves as chickenhead gigolos, all fancy a bit of white meat and experience tells us they'll settle on rape to get it.

Buddhist beliefs my arse.

He's being fitted up like a kipper. This is rediculous, and typical UK press not questioning at all all the changes in the police reports. Lazy twats. Just get the press report and print it.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Given that the BIB now claim both victims were raped, I would think that would point to more than one attacker. Making Ware's involvement even less likely.

Possible.

But a threeway gone horribly wrong could also explain what is known.

Unless there were drugs involved, it is 100% likely this was some pissed up yabba'd somchai and his mates.

Nid: Possible. Anyway, CSI/Koh Tao says all will be revealed by day's end.

Yaabaa is a drug