Thread: Thaksin: Let's put unity before justice

Originally Posted by Butterfly

PADite mushroom

what colour are they ? does anyone have signatures turned on , and have they actually read the mushroom saga ? does the synopsis follow mission impossible ? or is it days of our lives ?

Originally Posted by goostewart

You are the problem, not the message.

For PADites, when they have little with which to counter the message, especially those entrapped in a 'group think", they have no choice but to condemn the messenger.

I understand that completely.

Originally Posted by Calgary

For PADites,

A PADite who supports the return of Thaksin to be PM? Strange logic you have.

cliches are the refuge of those without anything meaningful to say - they enjoy the sound of their own voice and believe it makes them seem smarter and useful.

they normally are the quintessential yes man and as such only useful to make up the numbers

I think you are all being a bit hard on Calgary.
He is obviously an educated, well informed and a thoroughly decent chap who is expressing his views fairly and succinctly. We should thank him for the time that he devotes on this forum to enlighten us.

Sorry, I think my previous post was incomplete.
I have a bad internet connection today and finding it hard to concentrate.
Calgary is a gibbering nutty who spouts complete rubbish and should be locked up in a mental institution.

Now that there is a real Thaksin supporter on the board, I suggest you boys circle around ol' goo and get the boot in where it might mean something.

Originally Posted by goostewart

I truly believe that Thaksin should actually be boss, he is the best of a bad bunch

Surely someone will want to have a go at this!

Originally Posted by Thetyim

should be locked up in a mental institution

I think we should assume he is already there,

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Surely someone will want to have a go at this!

Why? I am not the issue here, the issue is the way in which some members of this board actually think childishness, repetitiveness and hyperbole are 'debating'. Really, that is the issue.

I am not the issue, it doesn't matter if I think Thaksin should be brought back or not, I am not pissing people off with the rhetoric of a 10 year old. It would seem that only you, Calgary and that buffoon (whose name escapes me) are bothered by actual debate.

So, how about it fellas, can we have a reasonable debate using adult behaviour?

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Calgary is a gibbering nutty who spouts complete rubbish and should be locked up in a mental institution

Damn, when were you speaking to my wife?

Originally Posted by goostewart

Why? I am not the issue here, the issue is the way in which some members of this board actually think childishness, repetitiveness and hyperbole are 'debating'. Really, that is the issue.

Really, no, that is not the issue. The thread topic is Thaksin and his apparent abandonment of the Reds. The approach taken, as per usual, consists of various personal attacks on Calgary and his posting style.

If you can't see the "childishness, repetitiveness and hyperbole" in your own posts and those of the monkey-fascist-dupe school of reductive inanity, that's your problem.

My point is, we now have someone (you) coming out to state outright support for Thaksin as the best of a bad bunch.

The fact of this coming hard on the heels of your calling him the most corrupt ever and your repetitive wailing on about the War on Drugs etc.... is probably indicative of something to do with integrity and crack hoes, but be that as it may, the monkey boys should in all honesty be turning their focus to your blatant Thaksin advocacy.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Now that there is a real Thaksin supporter on the board, I suggest you boys circle around ol' goo and get the boot in where it might mean something.

Originally Posted by goostewart

I truly believe that Thaksin should actually be boss, he is the best of a bad bunch

Surely someone will want to have a go at this!

All posters are entitled to their opinion, (rational and in Calgary's case irrational).

My personal stance is that any politician who has been found guilty of a criminal offence, who's political party has been on numerous occasions has been dissolved because of electoral fraud and still has criminal cases pending has no place in government. Call me old fashioned but that is my opinion.

If things are to improve politically in Thailand, (for the good of citizens), improved personal standards have to be set. I fear that by allowing Mr T direct governance via amesty, Thailand is taking a huge step backwards.The 'Unity Bill' is clearly anti-standards.

I also find it quite ironic that the UDD/Red Shirts who have been clamouring for a ceasation of double-standards in their own country, could possibly display any support for the current 'Unity Bill' which is completely whitewashing offences committed by VIP's, yes, the very same principles which they have been protesting against in their ten's of 1000's on the streets of the capital. Of course, those Red Shirted champions of 'Democracy' Jatuporn and Nutterwat are currently attempting to water down the quite obvious attempt by PTP to give their boss total impunity. A very dangerous scenario which will likely end in civil war if this quite outrageous bill is allowed to progress.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Now that there is a real Thaksin supporter on the board, I suggest you boys circle around ol' goo and get the boot in where it might mean something.

Originally Posted by goostewart

I truly believe that Thaksin should actually be boss, he is the best of a bad bunch

Surely someone will want to have a go at this!

Shows how little you know about the people on this forum.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by hazz

Fundamentally thats why I am asking you to point em towards the articles that gave you the impression that they had not,

First batch of political violence victims compensated

I think this is the pertinent stuff from the link

Originally Posted by mcot

Many victims have registered to receive the compensation, while some hesitated.

The families of Samapan Srithep, a 17-year-old youth killed during the political chaos, and of Kamonkate Akhad, a volunteer nurse who was shot dead at Pathumwattanaram Temple on May 19, 2010 during the military crackdown on the Red Shirt protests, reaffirmed they would not register for compensation until they are informed that their civil case could still proceed.

The family said they were upset that registration documents stated that no civil suit to be filed against the government in exchange for the compensation granted.

The two families then submitted their complaint to Sompas Nilpan, public service director for the Permanent Secretary in the Prime Minister's Office who reaffirmed that the government's scheme already included civil case compensation so that the plaintiff need not spend time in court procedures

Deputy Premier Yongyuth also met with them, accompanied by human rights activists who urged that the rights of the victims should not be violated and that today's distribution of compensation was considered only as initial aid.

After the ten-minute discussion, Mr Sompas revealed that the deputy premier allowed the two families have the right to file both further civil and criminal cases, but under the condition that no charge will be filed against the government.

This is very much what I have read to date, and unfortunately whilst they are very clear about what cannot be sued, they haven't really clarified what can be. I guess its going to be the legal definition of 'the government' under thai law. I.E having agreed not to sue the government can you then go off and sue the ministry of defence, the army chief at the time and if by some chance you were able to obtain the names of the 6 soldiers doing the shooting, them? If the answer is yes, then as you say they have not signed away their rights to sue for the truth.

although in the case of the nurse murdered in the temple grounds,now they will probably have to start by suing the soldiers, by name, that shot their daughter and work up the chain of command, rather than start at the top with the government and work their way down to the soldiers.

what is also a little cloudy is

first they sign a document agreeing no civil suit to be filed against the government in exchange for the compensation granted

then we are told

Prime Minister's Office who reaffirmed that the government's scheme already included civil case compensation so that the plaintiff need not spend time in court procedures

followed by

the deputy premier allowed the two families have the right to file both further civil and criminal cases, but under the condition that no charge will be filed against the government.

why would these two families be granted dispensation to sue everyone but the government if they like all the other families already retained that right?

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

"...............anyone who has been found guilty of a criminal offence, who's political party has been on numerous occasions has been dissolved because of electoral fraud and still has criminal cases pending has no place in government.

Nope, there is only room for Amart coupists, and the angelic Democrat Party in Government.

Anyone other than the Amart in Government, are crooks of the highest order, criminals and only there as a result of electoral fraud. They only govern in abject turmoil conditions, political bedlam, confusion, disorder and turbulence.

What was that I said above.....Coupists accusing others of electoral fraud!....unbelievable.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

and your repetitive wailing on about the War on Drugs

Can we have some evidence of this? I guess not, because every time I ask for evidence of your flailing we get zero.

Your trouble MSD is that you make assumptions about posters and attack based on those very assumptions and then, quite often, you are completely wrong.

now, as to Thaksin, yes, I would like to see him back, I have never denied that. I also do think he was the most corrupt PM of any era in Thailand. However, whilst his corruptness was an issue, he still did more for the poor than anyone else has bothered to. He made mistakes, a great many, but he actually did some good. i believe, before the advent of the civil society coup, he could have become a great PM if he could have checked his ego a little. unfortunately, as with others who suffer from civil society coups, he wasn't aware of his power limits. He had a popular mandate (with 53% approval at the time), but that went to his head. He didn't learn his lessons from history (Chavez and Estrada in particular) and he took his popular support for granted.

Now, if that makes me a PADite and a coupist (and of course not forgetting to look at Calgary's signature to tell us all where we are going wrong) then so be it. I think Thaksin made mistakes but, on balance, he was more good than harmful. His trouble was that he never studied the history of civil society coups. 'His' coup had all the classic elements.

Originally Posted by Calgary

crooks of the highest order

Originally Posted by Calgary

political bedlam

hyperbole , cliche

very unimpressed with the message - it is just drivel

Originally Posted by goostewart

he could have become a great PM if he could have checked his ego a little

Could have and should have. This is why I dislike him so much.

He was given a mandate and he did things to help the poor (well, those that voted for him anyway) but in the end his greed, ego and lust for power overcame him.

Imagine what a real red shirt fight for democracy would look if they had couped the great PM he should have been?

^quite

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

I also find it quite ironic that the UDD/Red Shirts who have been clamouring for a ceasation of double-standards in their own country, could possibly display any support for the current 'Unity Bill' which is completely whitewashing offences committed by VIP's, yes, the very same principles which they have been protesting against in their ten's of 1000's on the streets of the capital.

nobody missed the irony of the situation, except our usual residual red nutters like Calgary, Mao, and Sab

Originally Posted by goostewart

Can we have some evidence of this? I guess not, because every time I ask for evidence of your flailing we get zero.

Why bother? The "crack ho" integrity issue is just too great here, goo. You've already tried the little girl handwaving to alert mods to cross-forum stalking when I've called you on your bullshit.

Now we're apparently going to see a chorus of "Thaksin the great" posts from the "Thaksin is BAD" squad, you know, the people who find Calgary brainwashed because of his insufficient awareness of what evil scum Thaksin and the UDD leadership are.

Hilarious. An insult to crack hoes everywhere.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Imagine what a real red shirt fight for democracy would look if they had couped the great PM he should have been?

not sure if you are being ironic or funny, but the reds under such a wonderful PM would have been crushed to death in a matter of days with 200 killed and no press leaks over it

Originally Posted by mao say dung

to alert mods to cross-forum stalking

I am glad that you admit what you do is cross-forum stalking! Hurah!

Originally Posted by mao say dung

when I've called you on your bullshit.

I stand by everything I have written on this forum and any other, I am quite sure that you 'calling me on your bullshit' just ended up with you looking a tad silly.