Thread: Thaksin: Let's put unity before justice

Originally Posted by longway

^ Sticking to the arid obnoxious posturing that is your forte. Bravo. You just picked a silly little fight with me from a perfectly polite and reasonable post, it was not even addressed to you.

Asking you to simply put up a post that let's us know what you think is picking a fight?

^ JHC. Anyway I now know who he is kidding.

There is no big discussion to be had when you have no idea of what he's been up to other than what your poorly educated village bargirl tells you.

The mainly Bangkok based sinoThai that are the hard core of the Thaksin haters (parroted of course by several farang TEFLers and other minions) were and are more corrupt than he is. So that's their 'public' excuse for getting rid of him thrown out of the window. Unlike T however, they possess no real electoral clout, no appeal to the general public- so that is why they had to resort to illegal and unConstitutional means to remove him, and keep him removed. Their pet party, the Democrat's, are a bunch of petulant children, and utter amateurs. That is over with now, Thailand has an elected government again, and pretty much a decade of national development wasted in the process.

The Dem's will remain on the outer until they reform themselves from the ground up and offer something of substance to the voter, such as discernible policies and ground level representation. So rather than this incessant and childish bitching- repeated ad infinitum, via the usual media mouthpieces (and usual farang minions), that is exactly what they should be doing. Don't hold yer breath though, spoilt children do not grow pubes overnight.

Originally Posted by sabang

The Dem's will remain on the outer until......

Originally Posted by sabang

(Until they provide)......ground level representation

An excellent way portray their most difficult task.

How to descend from the Pinnacle of some of their institutions to 'ground level'.

It is a long way down from there.

Is it any wonder that the rabble at R'song appears to them like a horde of riffraff and commoners, with delusions of political intentions.

Which makes their disposition and inclination to send in their murderous armed might, following negotiation pretenses, all the more understandable.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Personally I don't care much for either set of corrupt arseholes, but to say that Thaksin is any different to them in his greed and selfishness is an absurdity.

Agree. Being an elected arsehole does make a difference in the sense of democratic procedure however.

Thai-ASEAN News Network - Red-shirt Minister Assures Thaksin's Solidarity with Red-shirt People

The red-shirt minister added that he is worried about the reconciliation process, which may cover amnesty for those who ordered the crackdown on the red-shirt protests.

Ignoring for a moment the typical TANN propensity to advance misleading historical revisions - ignoring the political context of so-called red-shirt protests - Natthawut essentially confirms my view that the talk of reconciliation is only gamesmanship by the Amart to regain ground lost electorally, and to protect those who ordered a massacre of taxpayers at R'song.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Personally I don't care much for either set of corrupt arseholes, but to say that Thaksin is any different to them in his greed and selfishness is an absurdity.

Agree. Being an elected arsehole does make a difference in the sense of democratic procedure however.

Granted.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Personally I don't care much for either set of corrupt arseholes, but to say that Thaksin is any different to them in his greed and selfishness is an absurdity.

Agree. Being an elected arsehole does make a difference in the sense of democratic procedure however.

actually it doesn't, you retarded TEFLEr

democracy is not about election, it's about distribution of power

putting power in the hand of fascists and their gullible crowd is hardly democracy, as Hitler, Mussolini, and by extend Mao, have demonstrated

It shouldn't be overlooked that Thaksin's political parties have on 2 occasions been found guilty of electoral fraud.

He himself along with 110 other politicians from his party have been banned from politics for the past 5 years.

So where exactly does an electoral democratic procedure fit in to this picture?

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

So where exactly does an electoral democratic procedure fit in to this picture?

just to the right of justice

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

So where exactly does an electoral democratic procedure fit in to this picture?

into someones pocket via massive vote purchasing funded through theft from the public purse

Originally Posted by Calgary

massacre of taxpayers

taxpayers ? fcuk you are full of it

Is there ever an honest election in Thailand?

If you ask rather whether Thai elections ever result in governments that are the choice of the electorate, I'd have to say yes.

If you ask whether the elections of the TRT/PPP/PT governments were more the result of popular sovereignty and its expression through democratic procedure than the jerryrigged Dem/BJT/Army fiasco, I'd say yes they were.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

So where exactly does an electoral democratic procedure fit in to this picture?

into someones pocket via massive vote purchasing funded through theft from the public purse

Originally Posted by Calgary

massacre of taxpayers

taxpayers ? fcuk you are full of it

Never mind, Calgary is full of Loose Bowels shit and has to vent it somewhere.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

It shouldn't be overlooked that Thaksin's political parties have on 2 occasions been found guilty of electoral fraud.

He himself along with 110 other politicians from his party have been banned from politics for the past 5 years.

So where exactly does an electoral democratic procedure fit in to this picture?

On the contrary, they should be overlooked. The Courts were used because the "Preferred Party" were not voted in. They are being used now for the same reasons and the PTP are in a Catch-22 situation...

I'm not sure whether any other political party could have been voted in given that millions of the electorate sold their vote for a few hundred baht to Thaksin.

It is an unfortunate fact around the world that politicians usually are not worthy of the electorate that voted for them during a democratic process, however, to say that the electorate in Thailand would have voted in the same party who paid for their vote is simply wishful thinking.

Having resided in Issan for the past 7 years i can assure you that many here don't give a toss when voting day arrives unless there is some cash in it for them.

And of course, it is always the courts fault whenever Thaksin is found guilty.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

It shouldn't be overlooked that Thaksin's political parties have on 2 occasions been found guilty of electoral fraud.

He himself along with 110 other politicians from his party have been banned from politics for the past 5 years.

So where exactly does an electoral democratic procedure fit in to this picture?

I have no illusions about influencing the cast-in-stone opinions of this Poster. But perhaps may provide an alternative consideration for others.

There are two political sides in Thailand:
>One who persecutes the other.
>One who considers it their God-given right to rule Thailand
>One who cannot stoop from their elevated and priviledged position, to solicit voting support
>One who has no respect for the electorate
>One who will kill to acquire and hold political hegemony
>One who will use judicial clout to 'out' their opponents
>One who doggedly demonize and criminalize those standing in their way
>One who will see electoral success by some, a threat to themselves.

So that Mr. Lick, is a snapshot showing the environment within which the democratic procedure attempts to function.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

given that millions of the electorate sold their vote for a few hundred baht to Thaksin.

pictures ?

cites?

thought not .

^I get nostalgic for that one, though, I must admit. Mr. Lick seems not to have moved with the times.

Originally Posted by Troy

The Courts were used because the "Preferred Party" were not voted in.

why wern't the courts used the first time round then ?

They were. When Thaksin was expected to perform heroics for the people who run the courts they let him take office in spite of the assets declaration thing. Or maybe you meant another first time?

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

given that millions of the electorate sold their vote for a few hundred baht to Thaksin.

pictures ?

cites?

thought not .

Hardly likely to purchase votes in just 3 villages (including the one where i reside) in the hope of winning a national election