Thread: Thaksin: Let's put unity before justice

C'mon he's a good troll, he never wavers in his message a lot of which is good copy.
He never responds to anything that may catch him out.
He throws in that he cannot speak Thai but never even responds to someone who finds that incredulous.
He constantly harps on about how 'he is /was there' without ever acknowledging attempts to prove it.
He says he wants people to understand but never offers facts to show people where they are wrong.
He was good before but once he discovered the word coupist he has been relentless.

he doesn't attack the messenger or the message, he just says the same thing over and over again without reason or discussion.

Frankly I've better things to do so I stopped reading him and I sure as hell wouldn't have the time to be like him.

Originally Posted by Mid

Memo : Chalerm Yubamrung

You CAN NOT legislate reconciliation .

Indeed Mid.

Nice post.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

C'mon he's a good troll, he never wavers in his message a lot of which is good copy.
He never responds to anything that may catch him out.
He throws in that he cannot speak Thai but never even responds to someone who finds that incredulous.
He constantly harps on about how 'he is /was there' without ever acknowledging attempts to prove it.
He says he wants people to understand but never offers facts to show people where they are wrong.
He was good before but once he discovered the word coupist he has been relentless.

he doesn't attack the messenger or the message, he just says the same thing over and over again without reason or discussion.

Frankly I've better things to do so I stopped reading him and I sure as hell wouldn't have the time to be like him.

I don't think he is a troll, he is simply deranged, probably stranded alone in some Issaan peasant village without means of communication with the outside world, except online forums of course.

Originally Posted by Mid

Memo : Chalerm Yubamrung

You CAN NOT legislate reconciliation .

Mid, I think there's been some crossed wires on the internet. Ive just received this memo from Chalerm, that i think is for you.

Memo : Mid

I will be sending my son round to give you a lesson on reconciliation nobody else will forget

No troll or kid is going to have the patience to post nearly 2500 posts which are all repetitions of the same theme.

He truly is insane. I hope he is kept away from sharp objects.

Noppadon defends Thaksin | Bangkok Post: news

Mr Noppadon said he was not surprised the Democrat Party was trying to drive a wedge between Thaksin and the red-shirts

And echoed by many here.

'Divide and conquer" is the name of their game.

Or put simply, "wishful thinking' in this case.

Originally Posted by Gerbil

No troll or kid is going to have the patience to post nearly 2500 posts which are all repetitions of the same theme.

He truly is insane. I hope he is kept away from sharp objects.

Hmmm.

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makes one wonder.

Originally Posted by Gerbil

He truly is insane.

I forgot the paranoia as well, there is a heavy dose of paranoia thrown in the mix. All adds up to someone who is having a bad patch in life.

Originally Posted by Calgary

And echoed by many here. 'Divide and conquer" is the name of their game.

Could be said, more than anybody else by the red movement. They are now fighting amongst themselves, and are angry at Taksin as well. Reconciliation is not on their agenda.

Originally Posted by goostewart

I forgot the paranoia as well, there is a heavy dose of paranoia thrown in the mix. All adds up to someone who is having a bad patch in life.

clear sign of schizophrenia, quite a serious disease and more common than we would expect

Thailand has one of the highest percentage in the world incidentally, something like 5% or 7% of the population

they are probably all working in the military

DD should change the site color scheme to yellow for a day, just to make Calgary really lose the plot

Originally Posted by thegent

Were you here in Bangkok in 2001 - 2006?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'd like you to bear in mind that I don't live in Thailand, and my knowledge of his dealings overseas, past and current, is probably a lot more extensive than your own, which judging by the "thaksin hater" epithet you apply to anyone who points out his crimes, is around about fucking zilch, give or take fuck all.

See, Calgary. You either weren't here or you live here... one way or the other, you can't know anything. I hope you understand.

Originally Posted by aging one

Originally Posted by Calgary

And echoed by many here. 'Divide and conquer" is the name of their game.

Could be said, more than anybody else by the red movement. They are now fighting amongst themselves, and are angry at Taksin as well. Reconciliation is not on their agenda.

Wow, the wishful thinking 'Well' runneth over!

True about the reconciliation though.

I've been pooh-poohing that from the get-go.

It is just a game by the Amart, to see how much they can roll back their electoral losses.

Until we see some concrete justice, fohget about reconciliation.

After shafting Jatuporn on Friday, anyone talking about reconciliation is an idiot.

Originally Posted by Calgary

anyone talking about reconciliation is an idiot.

Ok... Who wants to make a list of all the PTP/UDD people that Calgary has just called idiots?

Yeah, but I'm an equal opportunity "hater". Knowing enough about how things were before Thaksin and from the coup onward, it takes a special sort of person to go on and on the way these guys do.

"Thaksin Bad: Reds Stupid and/or Venal" again and again and again for years. They must be really smart because that is a subtle position out of which one can obviously spin many different arguments.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Yeah, but I'm an equal opportunity "hater". Knowing enough about how things were before Thaksin and from the coup onward, it takes a special sort of person to go on and on the way these guys do.

"Thaksin Bad: Reds Stupid and/or Venal" again and again and again for years. They must be really smart because that is a subtle position out of which one can obviously spin many different arguments.

to be honest, I don't think you have the political depth and knowledge to understand all those issues, above all as you are an underpaid English teacher scum living like a worm with a limited scope of what Thailand is all about. Thailand is more than Issaan peasants and slum criminals, which seem to be your favorite entourage.

Calgary, can you post a list of dates for your meetings with the Red movers and shakers so I can book some leave - I'd love to come along and see the 'Rice Roots' of the movement with you?

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by aging one

Originally Posted by Calgary

And echoed by many here. 'Divide and conquer" is the name of their game.

Could be said, more than anybody else by the red movement. They are now fighting amongst themselves, and are angry at Taksin as well. Reconciliation is not on their agenda.

Wow, the wishful thinking 'Well' runneth over!

True about the reconciliation though.

I've been pooh-poohing that from the get-go.

It is just a game by the Amart, to see how much they can roll back their electoral losses.

Until we see some concrete justice, fohget about reconciliation.

After shafting Jatuporn on Friday, anyone talking about reconciliation is an idiot.

Oh look a budding thaksin hater in the making.

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by aging one

Originally Posted by Calgary

And echoed by many here. 'Divide and conquer" is the name of their game.

Could be said, more than anybody else by the red movement. They are now fighting amongst themselves, and are angry at Taksin as well. Reconciliation is not on their agenda.

Wow, the wishful thinking 'Well' runneth over!

True about the reconciliation though.

I've been pooh-poohing that from the get-go.

It is just a game by the Amart, to see how much they can roll back their electoral losses.

Until we see some concrete justice, fohget about reconciliation.

After shafting Jatuporn on Friday, anyone talking about reconciliation is an idiot.

Oh look a budding thaksin hater in the making.

LOL........................

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'm sure Thaksin would like nothing more than for the country to forget about all past crimes and injustices.

Then he could safely keep all the $$$ he stole from the Thai people via various deals (Russian fighters, Suwarnabhumi, Tax evasion, 3-digit lottery, to name the obvious ones).

Spoken exactly the way the self-serving, coupist Thaksin criminalization campaign would have you do it.

They convinced you.

Calgary,you just keep on getting sillier and sillier..::

Some red shirts feel it's time to go it alone - The Nation

Some red shirts feel it's time to go it alone

Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation May 22, 2012 1:00 am

Thida

'Self-centred' Thaksin speech leaves some feeling leaders are out of touch

Red shirts from various factions reached by The Nation reacted differently yesterday to Thaksin Shinawatra's speech, via video link on Saturday evening - marking the second anniversary of the bloody crackdown on red shirts which led to 91 deaths.

Some suggested it's time for the red shirts to carry on the fight by themselves after Thaksin told them to place national reconciliation above all.

"His speech was self-centred. People didn't clap hands for him. When Thaksin spoke, he didn't consider the significance of the day and kept talking about himself," said Vipar Daomanee, a former Thammasat University lecturer and a red-shirt member of the Turn Left group. Vipar said that more reds clapped their hands for Thaksin's personal lawyer Robert Amsterdam who addressed the crowd about bringing those who committed crimes to justice.

Vipar believes no one will be made accountable for the deaths in April and May 2010 as Thaksin will guarantee immunity to the perpetrators in exchange for his return to Thailand as a free man. The same fate will befall the issue of the lese majeste law as the Pheu Thai government will definitely not do anything about it despite the desire by many red shirts to see it amended or even abolished, said Vipar.

"Ordinary reds must differentiate themselves from their leaders as the leaders have fallen behind them politically speaking, and tend to follow Thaksin. Progressive reds might have to campaign by themselves more without relying on leaders," Vipar added.

Sri-atta Pitavee, a member of the Red Siam group whose leader Surachai Darnwattananusorn is in jail on lese majeste charges, said the speech by Thaksin reminded her that only the International Criminal Court (ICC) and not the Thai judicial system could be counted upon to address the death of more than 90 people.

She said her group was still trying to push for the release of prisoners of conscience such as Surachai, or Voice of Taksin magazine editor Somyos Prueksakasemsuk, but recognised there's only so much that Pheu Thai politicians can do. "There's nothing that surprised me [about Thaksin's speech]. But some ordinary reds may not be able to swallow it," she said, in reference to Thaksin's call to place national reconciliation above all else.

More accommodating to Thaksin's speech was Chainarin Kularb-am, a committee member of the red-shirt Network for Democracy. He said there was nothing surprising about it.

Chainarin said red shirts must understand that getting Thaksin back as a free person is a priority for the ruling Pheu Thai party and added that the call bringing the perpetrators in 2010 to justice will not die - even with Thaksin back in Thailand. It could even gather more momentum once Thaksin returned. "The old power clique is afraid of that," said Chainarin.

Chainarin admitted however that as far as the move to amend the lese majeste law goes, it is hard to expect even red-shirt leaders to push it. Chainarin actively opposes the lese majeste law and said Pheu Thai might reconsider the issue if enough people support the move.

Red shirt co-leader and Pheu Thai MP Korkaew Pikulthong said he accepts all criticisms against Thaksin by red shirts but added that they have differing reactions to Thaksin's speech, however. "Reds are a diverse bunch of people," Korkaew pointed out.

As for the lese majeste law and red-shirt detainees under the law, Korkaew said there's nothing Pheu Thai can do about the judicial branch. "I don't think we can tell them what to do," he said, adding that reds should understand that the Pheu Thai party has resolved to not touch the lese majeste law.

Thida Thawornseth, UDD chairwoman said Thaksin "was just playing his role" in his video link. She said the red shirts would go ahead calling for justice and a really democratic constitution.