Thread: Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the bible

Originally Posted by surasak

Muslims don't reject Jesus. They simply believe God is God and most powerful of all (therefore, Jesus was like all other prophets and messengers...a mortal).

It's the Jews who reject Jesus, not Muslims.

The islamics claim that their God is the same God as that of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, therefore they had to reject Jesus in order to have a God without Jesus. You should know that God and Jesus is the same person.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Butterfly

do we actually have proof that Jesus existed ? maybe the Jews are correct, he is not the son of God and he was a fraud. How can we tell ? who to believe ? the jews and their sects ? or Jesus with his new sect ?

eh oh cerubat, are you still there ?

very much so - just reading the nonesense that you and surasak wrote.

Originally Posted by ceburat

The Islamics claim to worship God, however, they do so as they or their prophet ordered. They do not worship God as he desires to be worshipped. Completely outlined proper way to worship God is contained in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

But Islam claim the same thing, that their way is the proper way to worship God. So who is right ? Islam ? or the Christians ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

The Islamics claim to worship God, however, they do so as they or their prophet ordered. They do not worship God as he desires to be worshipped. Completely outlined proper way to worship God is contained in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

But Islam claim the same thing, that their way is the proper way to worship God. So who is right ? Islam ? or the Christians ?

You could determine that by studying the Bible and then the Koran. However, you claim to have done some of that already and I am sure you would never study both seriously, so, I guess you will never know. That is until the judgement - then you will know.

Originally Posted by ceburat

However, you claim to have done some of that already

I only studied the Bible academically, but not the Khoran. Did you ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

However, you claim to have done some of that already

I only studied the Bible academically, but not the Khoran. Did you ?

I do, off and on, to see if what some say is true or not. Needless to say, what is said, is a big gap , from what is written.

Where is sTROLLER? Pouting? or did he get drunk and fall off of the computer chair again?

Islam and Christianity both believe in the same god. Their difference is that the christians belive Jesus to be the son of god, not god himself. Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet but not the son of God.
There lies one of the differences.

"How did Noah get to South America to pick up the giant anteater," they will ask. "How did he get to Australia to round up the platypuses and numbats? How did he get to Antarctica to collect emperor penguins? And how did he do all that in just seven days, as implied in Genesis 7:4?"

I'm sorry but it confuses me as to how people can believe any religious teachings when recent history has shown us how easily people can be manipulated to believe what you want them too through "Propaganda". Put any magician in front of a primitive tribe and he will be a God.

Just because it was believed for centuries that the world is flat didn’t make it true!

If you want peace in the world embrace your own evolution and open your eyes to science. Though the masses and I included really don't want to believe our deaths will be then end of our existence. I'm not about to burry my head in the worlds multitudes of religious nonsense.

If it makes you feel better to believe in some God fine but don’t destroy our children’s future because just maybe there are no Gods.

Originally Posted by humphrey

Islam and Christianity both believe in the same god. Their difference is that the christians belive Jesus to be the son of god, not god himself. Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet but not the son of God.
There lies one of the differences.

Christians do believe Jesus to be God. Read the Book of John in the New Testament. First chapter.

Originally Posted by Sakeopete

"How did Noah get to South America to pick up the giant anteater," they will ask. "How did he get to Australia to round up the platypuses and numbats? How did he get to Antarctica to collect emperor penguins? And how did he do all that in just seven days, as implied in Genesis 7:4?"

I'm sorry but it confuses me as to how people can believe any religious teachings when recent history has shown us how easily people can be manipulated to believe what you want them too through "Propaganda". Put any magician in front of a primitive tribe and he will be a God.

Just because it was believed for centuries that the world is flat didn’t make it true!

If you want peace in the world embrace your own evolution and open your eyes to science. Though the masses and I included really don't want to believe our deaths will be then end of our existence. I'm not about to burry my head in the worlds multitudes of religious nonsense.

If it makes you feel better to believe in some God fine but don’t destroy our children’s future because just maybe there are no Gods.

Well if there is a God, but we follow what you say, we then destroy our children's future.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Where is sTROLLER? Pouting? or did he get drunk and fall off of the computer chair again?

I'm here, but as I said, "case closed".

Christians do believe Jesus to be God. Read the Book of John in the New Testament. First chapter.

You don't believe in the Trinity, do you? You're a believer in Sabellianism.

Originally Posted by surasak

Christians do believe Jesus to be God. Read the Book of John in the New Testament. First chapter.

You don't believe in the Trinity, do you? You're a believer in Sabellianism.

I have no idea what sabellianish is.

The word Trinity is something started by the RCC. It is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. You are correct, I do not believe in the Trinity. The Lord Jesus and God and his spirit are all one.

Sabellianism is the belief by Pentecostals that there is no distinct Jesus, God, or Holy Ghost...that all three are in fact one in the same.

Instead of:

Christians do believe Jesus to be God. Read the Book of John in the New Testament. First chapter.

you should have written

Some Christians do believe Jesus to be God. Read the Book of John in the New Testament. First chapter.

So, what is your confession, ceburat?
or will we have to make do with cryptic clues as in your other responses to questions?

Originally Posted by surasak

Sabellianism is the belief by Pentecostals that there is no distinct Jesus, God, or Holy Ghost...that all three are in fact one in the same.

Instead of:

Christians do believe Jesus to be God. Read the Book of John in the New Testament. First chapter.

you should have written

Some Christians do believe Jesus to be God. Read the Book of John in the New Testament. First chapter.

There is many types of "born again" and "pentecostal" churches. For sure they are not all the same.

I am United Pentecostal. I believe what the Bible says. And, the Holy Bible does say that Jesus and God are the same. Simply read the first chapter of John. If any pentecostal or so called christian does not believe the bible then they are in error and they need to correct that error.

God is spirit and is in heaven. He came to earth in the flesh, John lst chapter, and when mission accomplished, he returned to heaven. His spirit, the holy ghost is with all today who will believe and accept. Ref: Act's 2:38.

Originally Posted by stroller

So, what is your confession, ceburat?
or will we have to make do with cryptic clues as in your other responses to questions?

What confession are you talking about? I don't understand your question.

^
Sorry, it might be my faulty English, "confession" as to which branch of Christianity you follow, which you answered above.
Thank you.

En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.

Not

En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, ho theos en ho logos.

God and Word are simply not interchangeable but two different distinct things.

Ceburat, is this the passage you are talking about?
BibleGateway.com
John l New International Version.

'The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.' 34I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God."

No, it's this:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The problem is the incorrect interpretation from Greek because later on 'Word' is meant to imply Jesus. Here one assumes that Word Was God means Word is God. That's wrong.

Originally Posted by humphrey

Excuse my naivity

don't worry,surasak has enough for everybody.he's a well travelled chap.