Thread: Thousands to occupy Wall Street in protest

Originally Posted by robuzo

For those of you still unclear about what OWS is upset about (other than the fact that jobs for new grads are so scarce), the following is quite illuminating, or should be: Jacob Hacker & Paul Pierson on Engineered Inequality | Moyers & Company | BillMoyers.com Jacob Hacker & Paul Pierson on Engineered Inequality

We have already been treated to this particular piece of "Holmes and Watson" about a hundred posts back...
We live in the age of conspiricy theories.....but nobody ever manages to adequately explain how something can be "engineered" seamlessely and unchallenged across decades; through changing adminstrations, changing beurocracies, changing people, changing economic conditions, and a changing world. Nor does anyone manage to explain how destroying a countries economy and "middle class" would benefit anyone, in a way that makes any sense.

The deregulation of the financial sector was done for reasons which seemed quite logical and acceptable at the time the process began. It could have worked well except that someone forgot about that old greed and ambition thing which had been largely invisible and held in check by the very regulations they threw out.

I don't recall any hue and cry from the "political scientists" or anyone else for that matter, so the long term risks and results were not apparent to them either it seems. 20/20 vision is always great in hindsight is it not.

Most, if not all the warnings actually came from within the financial sector itself, but as is often the case, the last people to get a hearing are the ones who actually know what they are talking about.

Academics and researchers are well paid to study things and produce "reports" and depening on their own particular leanings will produce praise or damnation accordingly. These two young fellas are obviously bright and charmingly full of persuasion.....but they had a free hand to present their case without any challenge from an equally bright and charming corporate representative team..who might just be able to make them look and sound fairly ridiculous after a short and direct question and answer session.... It would be an interesting exercise and well worth listening in on.

Seems there is a certain mindset these days that can not accept the simple fact that politicans and their advisors just fuck up, make huge mistakes and decisions where the long term outcomes are not easily forseeable. Gordon Brown in the UK made the decision to sell off the countries gold reserves at $300 an ounce....fucking brilliant decision. As a reward he was made Prime Minister later on.

This happens inside corporations as well as countries. Big companies have been brought down by bad management decisions which seemed like good decisions when they were made... Anyway I believe all this has already been covered....

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Gettin' yer ass handed to you by koman again there Bad Pussy?

Why not boontard? You get it up the ass daily.

^And by many more than just koman.

Old man Koman....

Originally Posted by bsnub

Old man Koman....

Trust me snubbies, if I had been anywhere near Mt. St Helens, I would have been outta there as fast as the ol pickup could go..... Fortunately I was about two thousand miles away at the time. Remember, I'm the "risk management" guy who usually sees bad shit coming and gets out of the way....

PS Did ya manage to occupy that snow bank I recommended....Seattle dug out yet?...

Originally Posted by koman

PS Did ya manage to occupy that snow bank I recommended....Seattle dug out yet?...

Snubbles and the Bad Pussy are bustin' out!



Give'em hell Bad Pussy!

What would you say is more perfectly represenitive of the Occupy Wall Street movement — throwing Bibles at the police…

Occupy San Francisco’s “Day of Action” turned violent Friday night when protesters occupied an abandoned hotel and began throwing objects at police officers from the roof, police said.
“Once they gained access [to the hotel], some of them made it to the top of the roof and they then began to throw bibles down at the officers,” San Francisco Police Department spokesman Carlos Manfredi said.
“One of officers was struck with a brick to the chest and one of our lieutenants was struck in the hand with an object and may have damaged or even broken his hand,” he said.


The PJ Tatler » Occupy protesters use Bibles as weapons


Yep...just like the Tea Party!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

some of them made it to the top of the roof and they then began to throw bibles down at the officers,” .

Gives new meaning to that old saying: "Throw the book at em".....

Let's wait and see how much QE3 is announced this week from Obama's SNS.

Occupy's Latest Target: Citizens United

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For the anti-Citizens United effort, 2012 is a make-or-break year. Organizers say they hope to ride the wave of enthusiasm surrounding the Occupy movement, and to make corporate money in politics a hot-button issue in an election projected to be the most expensive in American history. Lawmakers and activists say they've settled on the constitutional amendment strategy, as opposed to new legislation, because there are no other options left. The Citizens United decision, Sen. Tom Udall (D-NM) said last month, "has made it so we need a constitutional amendment. I don't see how we tackle this any other way."

There are also at least six proposed amendments targeting corporate personhood and Citizens United in the House and Senate, all introduced by liberal lawmakers.

Occupy's Latest Target: Citizens United | Mother Jones

Originally Posted by misskit

Occupy's Latest Target: Citizens United

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For the anti-Citizens United effort, 2012 is a make-or-break year. Organizers say they hope to ride the wave of enthusiasm surrounding the Occupy movement, and to make corporate money in politics a hot-button issue in an election projected to be the most expensive in American history. Lawmakers and activists say they've settled on the constitutional amendment strategy, as opposed to new legislation, because there are no other options left. The Citizens United decision, Sen. Tom Udall (D-NM) said last month, "has made it so we need a constitutional amendment. I don't see how we tackle this any other way."

There are also at least six proposed amendments targeting corporate personhood and Citizens United in the House and Senate, all introduced by liberal lawmakers.

Occupy's Latest Target: Citizens United | Mother Jones

Greetings Kitty.... We trust you have sources other than "Mother Jones" to rely on. Just curious you know.... We do have some posters who rely on Russian TV and I think one who visits the Burkino Faso official government website for updates on business and economic events.....

Anyhow, the problem with all this talk about killing off corporate "control", "influence" and stuff like that, is that the big nasty corporations who are alledged to have caused so much grief are not that easy to control the way some people would like to believe.

You can pass all the legislation you like in Washington and impose all the punitive taxes that good marxist minds can come up with and guess what........Hello Singapore, Hello Hong Kong, Hello India, Hello anywhere with friendly governments and low taxes.....we'd like to establish a new corporate HQ here...fire another 30 million Americans and hire some of your nice folks. None of this occupy stuff now ya hear. Boeing of Beijing, General Electric Mumbai Inc....would that be great or what? (I'm exaggerating of course...just to illustrate the point; just in case anybody gets all hurt and offended by such outrageous ideas....)

Hello OWS....you got your wish, we really showed those fuckers. Now who should we go after next....let's see....well looks like the only thing left is the Salvation Army and the Mormons....are they not supposed to have some money left to re-distribute? Back to you dear Kitty.....be nice now....

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by koman

You can pass all the legislation you like in Washington and impose all the punitive taxes that good marxist minds

You write crap like this ("marxist minds" ) and for some reason people still accuse you of being "reasonable" and worthy of conversation. "Hello Singapore, Hello Hong Kong, Hello India, Hello anywhere with friendly governments and low taxes" Right, no possible remedy for that. No reason to take you seriously.

What you are seriously lacking my good man is any sense of humour, or any apparent abilty to engage in a bit of harmless banter. Did you really think I meant marxist literally......???

How did you manage to overlook this line?.....
(I'm exaggerating of course...just to illustrate the point; just in case anybody gets all hurt and offended by such outrageous ideas....)

So you see my post was mostly intended as just a little bit of satire which you either "get" or you "dont get" You seem to be demonstrating a singular ability to "not get".

Are you just another poster who can only deal with isolated words and partial sentences. There are lots on TD. The better ones manage to deal with the full context and the spirit of what is said....and have some ability to appreciate a bit of fun stuff.

So; show us where my core statement/point is wrong......give us the benefit of your brilliance instead of just cherry picking a few lines you feel will score some points, while completely ignoring the issue itself. Everyone can bitch, complain, point fingers and rebuke the ideas of others.....few ever seem to provide any workable solutions or even worthy critique..

It's matters not one iota if you, or anyone else on TD takes me seriously. What makes you think anyone takes you seriously....you have not really said anything much to be taken one way or the other...have you?.

Originally Posted by koman

So you see my post was mostly intended as just a little bit of satire which you either "get" or you "dont get" You seem to be demonstrating a singular ability to "not get".

Whereas you have amply demonstrated why there is no point in bothering to try. "Oh, I'm not baselessly namecalling, I'm just having fun!" If you are going to be disingenuous at least try to be clever about it. My posts pointing out that you are full of shit and unworthy of discourse have probably been unnecessary, considering you do a good enough job of that yourself, but sometimes smacking you right-wing know-nothings around is good sport.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by koman

So you see my post was mostly intended as just a little bit of satire which you either "get" or you "dont get" You seem to be demonstrating a singular ability to "not get".

Whereas you have amply demonstrated why there is no point in bothering to try. "Oh, I'm not baselessly namecalling, I'm just having fun!" If you are going to be disingenuous at least try to be clever about it. My posts pointing out that you are full of shit and unworthy of discourse have probably been unnecessary, considering you do a good enough job of that yourself, but sometimes smacking you right-wing know-nothings around is good sport.

Atta boy.....carry on with the indepth analysis of my posting style, and add a bit of abuse for good measure...but don't dare try to explain yourself on any of the points made. Thanks for ramping up the debate...it was going a bit lame lately, but it's probably time to rejoin your friends over in MKP now..... after all I'm not worth the effort....as you say.....
Bye now....have a nice day....

Originally Posted by HansuMan

^ I cringe to admit, but I agree with Boxer re Bill Maher!

Interesting development, Bill Maher is anti-911-Truth ^, staunchly pro-israel* (I think this is a pre-req to have a talk show), but here:

... so I think Maher is just some sort of politically-schizophrenic chameleon/whore.

* re "staunchly pro-israel",

^ Maher @ :30 "I always hear that the media is pro-israel in this country. I don't see that." <

Maher then goes on to recite the Hasbara song & dance sheet about thousands of "Palestinian" (I say Mossad ) bottle rockets showering down on poor innocent Izzy... & guest Oliver Stone brings some welcome sanity...

In the case of Ron Paul, doesn't really matter if chameleons like Maher nominally posture as "supporting RP" - the fix is in... Maher's bosses have no worries about RP becoming president,

Article ref'd in the video ^,
There's something very odd about GOP primary pre-polling and vote


Also see #6 & #14 of Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism:

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

When a "manipulator of democracies" like Soros "predicts" something like this re OWS, we can view it not as the speculation of a political hack, but rather as a promise of what is being engineered to happen. I've always assumed that, to the at-least-partial extent that OWS is "led" by invisible PTB hands like Soros&Co, that its "turning violent" can be contrived at any time through fake/provocateurs in cahoots with the "media" in making sure that TPTB's desired stories, images, & spin appear before the majority of non-OWS-participating population, & majority non-violent OWS-ers.

Additionally believe that this is TPTB's master plan, so they can crack down violently, using all their post-911 War On Terror Hoax police-state laws which have been rolled out just for this exact top-down-engineered eventuality.

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Soros: Occupy to turn violent

Billionaire warns U.S. financial system faces collapse

Published: 22 hours ago


Billionaire George Soros is predicting protests by Occupy Wall Street will turn violent, while warning the U.S. financial system may collapse.

In an interview with Newsweek writer John Arlidge, Soros reportedly said riots on the streets of American cities are inevitable.

“‘Yes, yes, yes,’ he says, almost gleefully,” when asked about the prospect of Occupy turning violent, writes Arlidge.

Soros claimed the riots will “be an excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order, which, carried to an extreme, could bring about a repressive political system, a society where individual liberty is much more constrained, which would be a break with the tradition of the United States.”

“At times like these, survival is the most important thing,” Soros continued.

“I am not here to cheer you up. The situation is about as serious and difficult as I’ve experienced in my career,” Soros said.

“We are facing an extremely difficult time, comparable in many ways to the 1930s, the Great Depression. We are facing now a general retrenchment in the developed world, which threatens to put us in a decade of more stagnation, or worse,” he said.

“The best-case scenario is a deflationary environment. The worst-case scenario is a collapse of the financial system.”

In the interview, Soros claimed the Occupy Wall Street movement “is an inchoate, leaderless manifestation of protest.”

However, WND has repeatedly documented the billionaire’s many ties to Occupy, including how the group’s reported nerve center is staffed by professional agitators deeply linked to organizations funded by Soros.

Those groups, most prominent among them being the Tides Center, have been involved with Occupy since the anti-Wall Street movement’s inception.

Tides functions as a money tunnel in which major leftist donors provide large sums that are channeled to hundreds of radical groups.

The Tides-funded Adbusters magazine is reported to have come up with the Occupy Wall Street idea after Arab Spring protests toppled governments in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia. The Adbusters website serves as a central hub for Occupy’s planning.

The Tides-funded Ruckus Society has been providing direct-action training to Occupy protesters as well as official training resources, including manuals, to Occupy training groups. Ruckus, which helped spark the 1999 World Trade Organization riots in Seattle, was also listed as a “friend and partner” of the “Occupy Days of Action” in October.

Another grantee of Tides is MoveOn.org, which has joined Occupy.

Soros: Occupy to turn violent

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Also see:

Occupy’s ‘nerve center’ staffed by Soros activists

Colour revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is Occupy Wall Street Just a “Color” Revolution? - Occupy Wall Street - Salon.com

Occupy Wall Street's struggle for nonviolence - Occupy Wall Street - Salon.com

» Money Insider: US Will See Violent Civil Unrest In 2012 - Infowars

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Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

^ boring. I dished out alot of reds for the puerile comments on this thread -- koman owns it and he owns robozoo and hissy kitty. The other lefties aren't worth mentioning -- even worse dregs of leftist trash. So amusing the the left here still cannot help themselves from resorting to personal insults and retarded comments when attempting (and failing) to contribute to an intelligent argument.

Oh, what a tough woman!

Wouldn't say Koman owns the thread. More like the obnoxious braggart at the bar who keeps pulling on everyone's sleeves trying to make "conversation." He just does not have the EQ to see it.

I think it's more like the pisshead who wins arguments by just shouting louder and longer than everyone else. After a while, everyone he or she is arguing with just goes home and there's a kind of default victory; the Boon Mee-Jet-Koman types just have a greater tolerance for shouting than others so they end up winning. That's just the way forums work when they're not more actively moderated.

Originally Posted by misskit

Wouldn't say Koman owns the thread. ... He just does not have the EQ ..

Erm, what's EQ?
^ Miss da point, agin, Dan. We conservatives don't shout; you just cannae get the point so we have to explain it agin in baby talk fer ya...you're just brainwashed welfare cases or supporters thereof. Jealous of anyone who makes more than you. Jealous of folks that are smarter, richer, or even prettier than you, that have better family values, nicer politer kids with morals & work ethics (like their parents), etc. Ya, did we all grow up in rich ramilies? No. We learned that you work hard, do whatever to live without a handout, get an education and pay for it by working PT and thereafter.
Asking for or expecting a handout? NEVER.

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Originally Posted by misskit

Wouldn't say Koman owns the thread. ... He just does not have the EQ ..

Erm, what's EQ?
^ Miss da point, agin, Dan. We conservatives don't shout; you just cannae get the point so we have to explain it agin in baby talk fer ya...you're just brainwashed welfare cases or supporters thereof. Jealous of anyone who makes more than you. Jealous of folks that are smarter, richer, or even prettier than you, that have better family values, nicer politer kids with morals & work ethics (like their parents), etc. Ya, did we all grow up in rich ramilies? No. We learned that you work hard, do whatever to live without a handout, get an education and pay for it by working PT and thereafter.
Asking for or expecting a handout? NEVER.

Yea....whatever....Gotta go...ummm.....home....and...umm.....pull out my own eyeballs. See ya.

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Originally Posted by misskit

Wouldn't say Koman owns the thread. ... He just does not have the EQ ..

Erm, what's EQ?
^ Miss da point, agin, Dan. We conservatives don't shout; you just cannae get the point so we have to explain it agin in baby talk fer ya...you're just brainwashed welfare cases or supporters thereof. Jealous of anyone who makes more than you. Jealous of folks that are smarter, richer, or even prettier than you, that have better family values, nicer politer kids with morals & work ethics (like their parents), etc. Ya, did we all grow up in rich ramilies? No. We learned that you work hard, do whatever to live without a handout, get an education and pay for it by working PT and thereafter.
Asking for or expecting a handout? NEVER.

At the risk of ruining my reputation as a consumate, ultra-conservative, capitalist dragon.....I have to confess to accepting a handout once. It was at the local county fair and they gave me a free balloon... I think I was about 5 or 6 at the time.....but I still have feelings of guilt...

I suppose it must be this guilt coupled with my lack of EQ, that causes me to "shout" so much. [ How do you shout using a keyboard anyway.....is there some "CTRL--ALT" function that I'm missing?....]

Maybe I should clarify that I'm not interested in "owning" anybody or anything that I don't already own. It would be nice however if some of the opponents of my innocent scribblings would attempt to explain what their views are, and why they hold them. Those lame character attack statements, and such highly enlightening pieces as "your an idiot" or "your talking crap" without any explanation or attempt to oppose the ideas presented, really don't cut it in the world of good political discourse. Union halls and OWS gathering maybe, but not between civilized and even modestly intelligent people. [ ones with a little bit of that EQ...]

That's what I've been attempting to do but far left wing extremists never want to deal with any inconvenient ideas that might interfere with their focus on bitching, complaining and finding ways to blame somebody else for their demise. Still it passes the time, and of course it's the duty of every good conservative to help keep the masses poor and oppressed...as all good socialists and OWS supporters know.. (bit more satire there just to get ya all used to it)

So far we have not been accused of abusing old people, children or torturing small animals, but I'm sure it's just a question of time. I think they must be getting close to the bottom of the insult list by now......