Thread: Thousands to occupy Wall Street in protest

Remember Sgt. Pepper Spray?

As they say, there's more to the story than first perceived.

Pike goes one by one down the line of sitting protestors, issuing a warning.


“If you stay here…you are subject to force. Pepper ball guns will be deployed,” said [UCD police officer John] Pike. “

So put that in yer Bong and hit it!

This is a nice video. Music is good and the protest signs are wonderful. (None idiotic or misspelled. Hehehe.)

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Otherwise known as the Dead Movement Walking.

Tell us how many protesters are left?

Stick a fork in it - it's done.

Ouch! Going after Wally World, too.

12/12 Occupy Denver Walmart Port Shutdown Action

By admin on 01 Dec 2011 In solidarity with Occupy Oakland's call for a coordinated west coast port blockade, Occupy Denver hass passed the proposal for the following solidarity action:

In response to coordinated attacks on the occupations and attacks on workers across the world:

Occupy Denver stands in solidary with our brothers and sisters who will be blocking the economic apparatus of the 1% by shutting down the ports of the world on Dec 12. Occupy Denver is calling for all land locked occupations to do the same with a coordinated shutdown of Walmart distribution centers throughout the United States on December 12th. The 1% through this greedy cooperation have destroyed communities throughout the world, disregarded workers natural rights, eliminated production jobs in the United States, lowered the standard of living for all, and disrupted the lives of the workers who create their wealth. At the same time coordinated nationwide police attacks have turned our cities into battlegrounds in an effort to disrupt our Occupy movement and neglect the very serious issues we are raising.

We call on every occupation to organize a mass mobilization to shut down its local Walmart distribution center. Our eyes are on their continued union-busting and attacks on organized labor, their unfair trade practices, the slave labor products that are defiling the world.These horrors are being forced on our communities through a coordinated effort between the 1% and the government of the United States through corporate kickbacks, tax credits, and a pattern of unaddressed and unenforced workers’ rights claims. Walmart is a business that has commoditized and enslaved our entire world for the benefit and profit of a very few.

Walmart passes on significant costs to many of the states and communities where it operates because so many of the company’s Associates and their families participate in publicly-funded health care and other public assistance programs due to a lack of affordable health care from their employer. At the same time, Walmart has affected international trade policy to move its production to sweatshops in international Free Trade Zones, moving manufacturing jobs overseas, and sending much of its revenue out of local communities, driving out local businesses, which keep more consumer dollars in the local economy. Walmart has created a new kind of blight, destroying local businesses with predatory business strategies, leaving community businesses vacant and abandoned throughout the country.

Since Walmart has decimated communities and continues to attack the workers of the world, we will now shut down their distribution center in Colorado and through out the world affecting the only thing Walmart and the 1% care about: PROFIT.

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We're sure that'll work well, eh?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Then again his explaination might be over some a y'alls heads too...

You know, we never did get a reply from ol' Boxer re the question of WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Question for Booner:

Do you know who OWNS the US Federal Reserve? Hint: despite its deliberately deceptive name, its NOT "Federal" (as in a branch of the US govt), and it has no "reserves". It's a PRIVATELY OWNED, FOR-PROFIT CARTEL OF BANKS.

Can you NAME some of the "Federal Reserve's" OWNERS (shareholders) for us, Booner?


Advance this video to 5:10, and check what Alan Greenspan tells Jim Leher,

It's funny, when booner gets a question which displeases him, which poses a potential threat to his comfortable "LEFT vs RIGHT" mind-prison, he simply ignores it, and goes back to his LvR wingnut "news" sources followed by pecking away at his keyboard as he copies the most emotion-tugging LvR bait he can find, here to various TD threads.

We have another example in this other thread beginning here, #365 (permalink) -- 4 replies down booner actually quotes the reply/question as though he's planning to address it, but then he conspicuously ignores it and instead posts a bunch of non-sequitur, same-ole LvR dookey. Then when reminded of the original question 2 more replies down #371 (permalink) -- he ignores it completely (as of this posting).

Its as though he's afflicted with the Stockholm Syndrome, loving & loyally serving the captors of his mind... he reminds me of Boxer the horse from the Orwell novel, "Animal Farm" -- "I will work harder", lol. And sadly, when booner kicks off, the rulers of his mind & spirit will give him the same send-off they gave old Boxer.

You don't have to answer any questions which make you uncomfortable booner, we both know that. As you were booner,

Is the question just simply "over your head" there, Boxer?

Originally Posted by HansuMan

You know, we never did get a reply from ol' Boxer re the question of WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?

Yes, he doesn't answer many questions thats answers run counter to what he believes. His brain may explode.

We don't have to feel too bad about Boon Mee thinking we are stupid because we are. We try to engage someone overly interested in feces and filth in a conversation. If we were really clever we wouldn't acknowledge his crap, now would we?

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by HansuMan

You know, we never did get a reply from ol' Boxer re the question of WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?

Yes, he doesn't answer many questions thats answers run counter to what he believes. His brain may explode.

We don't have to feel too bad about Boon Mee thinking we are stupid because we are. We try to engage someone overly interested in feces and filth in a conversation. If we were really clever we wouldn't acknowledge his crap, now would we?

C'mon Miskitt, thats not fair. I expect BM makes reference to these things because they are facts which pertain to the nature and quality of the persons engaged in this fruitless and annoying occuancy nonsense. The other side of the divide does not hesitate to make milage out of a misspelled sign or a single over Zelous cop. All's fair in this war....

As to the Federal Reserve. Does it really matter if BM knows who "owns" it. I certainly do. It's no big secret. Another very good post over the last couple of days was making much out of the various appointments in the EU banking system including the ECB. OMG many of these appointees have been "connected" with Goldman Sachs. Now that is really sinister........oh wait....half of the senior banking executives on the planet have had some dealing with GS or one of the other mega banks at some point in their careers.

It is a fairly rarefied world in the banking elite world. These guys frequently have gone to the same elite shools and worked for the same elite organizations. Thats where they learn the trade and make their mark in the banking world. They know each others skills, talents and connections.....so they do have a loose network which helps them to stay at the top of the game. What is so sinister or unusual about that? Many professions have similar networks.

I reported to a board of directors where one of the members worked at Goldman Sachs for quite a few years. He had also worked at Barclays Plc and I belive at the Commonwealth Bank of Australia. I'm concerned about the GS bit though. Am I now part of some big Zionist conspiricy too? I had numerous dealings with the guy and even went to a couple of shindigs at his house....oh dear.

Banking at the top level is very inter-connected and each one depends on the others. They steal senior (and even junior) staff from each other. A really talented executive is always in demand and they are frequently lured over to the competition for bigger bucks and bonuses. It's all part of the business. They own bits of each other....and they collectively "own" the Federal Reserve......

There...did that put you out of your misery....?

A thought for the day: "Because we don't agree with anothers point of view, does not make it "crap". It's just another way of looking at it"

BTW....that was a nice little video Misskit posted. Nice tune....cute kids. Nearly made me rush out and sell all my stock....make a sign....pick up a tent. On second though, maybe I'll wait a bit.....I hate gettin pepper in my eyes....

I love it when people come to rescue poor, picked on BM from the bad pussy.

Originally Posted by misskit

I love it when people come to rescue poor, picked on BM from the bad pussy.

I would do the same for you. Us extreme right wingers with Truman Syndrome are very chivalrous you know.... not like the OWS people. No knights on white chargers amongst that lot.....
Now be a nice pussy......and please don't mess up HS's Zionist banker plots.....

Originally Posted by misskit

We don't have to feel too bad about Boon Mee thinking we are stupid because we are. We try to engage someone overly interested in feces and filth in a conversation. If we were really clever we wouldn't acknowledge his crap, now would we?

I'd put Boxer on ignore, and may yet; but for the time being I'm also a part-time student of disinfo, propaganda, agitprop etc- and Boxer's spew hereabouts is like an ongoing real-time/world lab session, dealing with current events unfolding. So deconstructing his abundant fecal droppings here (many of them scolding against inappropriate fecal dropping, ironically or not...) is fun stuff for me.

We know the banksters' minions have a great interest, and deploy vast resources, towards internet disinfo & agitprop- using the public's tax dime to employ a full-time army of internet disinfo shills to distract, mislead, & disinform that same public. Whether Boxer is "employed" on the public dole doing this "work" for the banksters, or whether he's just an over-zealous mind-kontrolled LvR Divide & Rule sheeple working for free-- I don't pretend to know. Lab analysis of his fecal droppings is inconclusive- the composition of his feces is identical to what you'd expect to find from a paid shill.

Tell me if a few of the following "rules" don't eerily resemble a close analysis of Boxer's poop:

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

From the Resonant Resurrections Dept: This wise little version of "Cover-ups for Dummies" has been floating on the Net since the late '90s at least. Given the government/media handling of 9/11, the resulting wars, and recent electoral fraud it often seems our top officials must read it everyday. If we're to bring the truth alive in 2005, it may help to occasionally remind ourselves how the pros play the game. - Editor

Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the "How dare you!" gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such "arguable rumors". If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a "wild rumor" which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough "jargon" and "minutiae" to illustrate you are "one who knows", and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the "high road" and "confess" with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, "just isn't so." Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for "coming clean" and "owning up" to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how "sensitive they are to criticism".

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict (usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim) is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed.

22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

Sen. Lieberman's recent calling for shutting down “terrorist websites” would be a nice current example of the employment of Rule 24, btw.

This is an interesting chart. It shows where and how many "Occupiers" there are in America.

There are many more protest sites than we see presented in the media.

Sorry it's so dog-gone large but I don't know how to make it fit the page.

Originally Posted by misskit

the bad pussy.

Heh...indeed you are. Anyone who throws their own parents under the bus and wants to starve Grandma (SS issue) is a Bad Pussy!

Some new avatar suggestions for our hard working companion, BOXER:

(you'd want to replace "Napoleon" with "O'Reilly" there of course)

HAAHAHA!!!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

“If you stay here…you are subject to force. Pepper ball guns will be deployed,” said [UCD police officer John] Pike. “Do you understand that if you stay here when the police squad comes, you are going to be subject to the use of force?”

Lovely.

The difference between modern day America and the old Soviet Union is that the police here will actually issue you a warning before attacking you unprovoked. For now anyway.

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

“If you stay here…you are subject to force. Pepper ball guns will be deployed,” said [UCD police officer John] Pike. “Do you understand that if you stay here when the police squad comes, you are going to be subject to the use of force?”

Lovely.

The difference between modern day America and the old Soviet Union is that the police here will actually issue you a warning before attacking you unprovoked. For now anyway.

You do realize that the "students" were "occupying" territory which is essentially private. The police were acting on a request from the Chancellor of the university. They were enforcing the law (people do not have a right to occupy private property or impede the free passage of others just because they are pissed off at something they don't understand) ...the students were breaking the law. They were requested to leave peacefully.....they refused. They were warned time and time again before any force was used....and then the force was really quite minimal. The old soviet union would have sent the whole fuckin lot of them to a work camp for 20 years where 50% of them might have died of overwork, cold and hunger ....

Not exactly a reasonable comparison.....

The police did not instigate this confrontaion.....they probably don't enjoy this kind of thing very much. It is pretty standard operating procedure to provoke the police into some kind of forceful reaction; making sure there are lots of cameras around and then try to show the world how oppressive the police are. If they don't respond to a request from a legitamate source to act they are accused of failing their duty. If they do respond they are accused of over-reacting or being draconian. The students could have demonstrated in all kinds of ways that would not have brought the police and the pepper spray down on them, but they chose to provoke a confrontation..... so eventually they got one.

Do you think they would have kept sitting there blocking the road if the police had advised them that four Browning maching guns where going to rake the area for two minutes starting after we count to ten? That would be more like the old Soviet Union....at least in the time of Stalin. They got off lightly. They just don't know it yet, because they have no reference points in their lives.....just entitlements and idealistic notions about how the world should be. I doubt if any of them are deprived of very much, and they certainly have no sense of what real crisis is....like 1929 to 1937 when there was no unemployment insurance, no welfare, student loans or anything else of the sort, and you ate at a charity soup kitchen once a day....that was crisis.

I actually feel sorry for the police having to deal with this bullshit every day, and then having to defend themselves for having to deal with it. Anyone is free to express their views. There are numerous ways to do so, without disrupting the lives and/or livelyhoods of others. Like all rights it can and is, abused. How does anyone think that this kind of nonsense is going to "fix" anything.

Originally Posted by misskit

The chancellor did not order them removed, the campus police chief did.

Misspoken on my part. The chancellor ordered the students tents removed.

Here is an interview with the chancellor in which she says the police defied her orders.

(snip)"We told the police to remove the tents or the equipment," she told the paper. "We told them very specifically to do it peacefully, and if there were too many of them, not to do it, if the students were aggressive, not to do it. And then we told them we also do not want to have another Berkeley."
UC Davis chancellor: Police defied my orders by using pepper spray - latimes.com

Heh...one of the best takedowns on this rabble - Adam Carolla Rips Into Self-Entitled And Coddled Occupy Wall Street Goofs…



Adam Carolla breaking down the current occupy wallstreet movement in simple terms for everyone to understand. He dives into the cultural reasons that lead us into this situation, as well as the solution to our problems... Very similar to Ron Paul's chapter on envy in his latest book, liberty defined.

He may have been the voice of reason for thousands of lost teens, but former “Loveline” host Adam Carolla is blasting the Occupy Wall Street crowd for being self-entitled and coddled. In an expletive-laced rant on a November podcast, the comedian and shock jock says the movement was the result of raising young people to believe they were the best.


“We are now dealing with the first waves of participation trophies … ‘I feel so f— good about myself. Everybody’s a winner, no one’s a loser.’ We’re dealing with the first wave of those,” he said.


He argued that the nation’s wealth disparity wasn’t the effect of laws favoring corporations and the rich but the result of people working harder or being more gifted than others.


“There’s something coming up in this country that didn’t used to exist, and it’s envy,” he said.


He then took aim at the protesters, saying they don’t really want jobs.
“They’ve been shamed by life because they haven’t been prepared for life. They’ve had so much smoke blown up their collective a—-, by the time they get out in the real world and they realize the real world doesn’t give a f— where you’re from or what your mommy said you were or how pretty you are.”

Adam Carolla blames Occupy Wall Street protests on culture of entitlement - NY Daily News

You comprende there? Too much smoke blown up yer ass for sure!

This group is doing something very constructive.

Occupy SF to Open People's Reserve Credit Union

Occupy SF announced its ambitious plans to turn protesters into bankers by creating the People's Reserve Credit Union. According to Occupy SF's Facebook page:

The goal of this project is to encourage San Francisco residents, businesses, as well as nonprofit and city agencies to keep their money out of the big banks and to redistribute that money locally. Initial services will include micro-loans for the working poor and homeless, and subsidized student loans at low interest rates.
Occupy SF to Open People's Reserve Credit Union - San Francisco News - The Snitch

Originally Posted by walkabout

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Otherwise known as the Dead Movement Walking.

Tell us how many protesters are left?

Stick a fork in it - it's done.

Theres a telly series to this "Walking Dead" now during 2nd season

Heh...& the actors in that series - the dead ones, appear cleaner and better dressed than the #OWS rabble!

Originally Posted by misskit

subsidized student loans at low interest rates.

As if these 'students' majoring in transgender black studies with a minor in basketweaving will ever pay the loans back?