Thousands to occupy Wall Street in protest

**HansuMan** · 15-12-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Problem is Minnie, I'm not seeing your $75 an hour claim which koman then proceeded to make great propaganda hay of- substantiated anywhere in the source which you kindly provided after my request.

Is your $75 an hour claim verified there somewhere, but I'm just not seeing it? Can any able-bodied unskilled/Byzentine-art-major worker who shows up in Dawson Creek willing to work hard, grab a job for $75 an hour? Or is that sort of wage more reserved for degreed/experienced engineers?

$75/hour is about $150K/year. Wikipedia reports of Dawson Creek:

Average male income $49,551
Average female income $30,846

Is there something wrong with the people already living in Dawson Creek, that they're not all making $75/hour AKA $150K/year?

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

[...]
I don't lie or muss up the facts, Dear, I'm not a liberal.

I hope you'll substantiate your claim to high honor & integrity, by further obliging my request that you source your $75 an hour claim, Minnie.

Minnie?

**misskit** · 15-12-2011, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Boon Mee worked for a living and saved for his pension.

Oh?

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

kool-aid drinkers with elementary school ed and same factory as three generations of their mensa-less families.

And Boon Mee and his family are all Mensa?

**sabang** · 15-12-2011, 12:39 PM

If we've got an interested BM in the states or Canada, why not just ring the guy and ask him?

**misskit** · 15-12-2011, 12:49 PM

Don't know his number.

I thought he said on another thread he is recently retired, living here (Thailand), and drawing social security. Not so?

He didn't mention Mensa that I know of.

**sabang** · 15-12-2011, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

Don't know his number.

Mayor Mike Bernier

Phone: (250)784-3616 (City Hall Office)
Fax: (250)782-3203
Email: mayorbernier@dawsoncreek.ca

**misskit** · 15-12-2011, 01:43 PM

^555
I thought you meant call Boon Mee!

**Boon Mee** · 15-12-2011, 04:14 PM

A young mother justifies placing her 4 year-old daughter on train tracks during the shutdown of the Port of Portland, Oregon protest, December 12, 2011.

Why do these people hide behind their children? Does she not realize what it takes to stop even a slow moving loaded train?

Clip from larger report at http://www.kgw.com/news/Occupy-plans-Port-protest-in-Portland-West-Coast-1354..

So tell us bad pussy, how do you personally feel about this?

**Boon Mee** · 15-12-2011, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

Don't know his number.

Here you go!

1-800-REALITY.

**bsnub** · 15-12-2011, 04:27 PM

^ haahaa!

**Boon Mee** · 15-12-2011, 04:29 PM

^
Glad you liked it!

**bsnub** · 15-12-2011, 04:40 PM

Opps. I gave you to much credit. I am disgusted to hear that you support child molesters. You are an idiot once again.

**Boon Mee** · 15-12-2011, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Opps. I gave you to much credit. I am disgusted to hear that you support child molesters. You are an idiot once again.

It's a joke, snubs...for fucks sake...

**OhOh** · 15-12-2011, 07:28 PM

WRITING ON THE WALL: Occupy Shocker: A Realistic, Actionable Idea - WSJ.com

"SAN FRANCISCO—In some ways, the Bay Area's Occupy movement is a cheap imitation of the Wall Street version.

Camps are more like parties. There's hip-hop music blasting. The smell of pot smoke is noticeable, and on school days the Berkeley camp thins as students choose classes or sleeping in over conflict.

For all the faults, though, protesters in the Bay Area, especially Occupy San Francisco, have something their East Coast neighbors don't: a realistic plan aimed at the heart of banks. The idea could be expanded nationwide to send a message to a compromised Washington and the financial industry.

It's called a municipal bank. Simply put, it would transfer the City of San Francisco's bank accounts—about $2 billion now spread between such banks as Bank of America Corp., UnionBanCal Corp. and Wells Fargo & Co.—into a public bank. That bank would use small local banks to lend to the community.

Municipal banks aren't a new idea. They've just stayed off the radar as big, private banks have consolidated, grown and pressured state and local governments to keep banking jobs in the community. San Francisco activists pushed for a similar bank as far back as 1975.

In contrast, municipal banks would keep profits and investment in the community.

Proponents also point to the Bank of North Dakota, a state bank founded more than 90 years ago by farmers upset with Eastern banking practices. The bank, with $4 billion in assets, is run by the state, earning taxpayers more than $61 million last year. In 2008, North Dakota's bank reported a profit of $57 million, while Bank of America had a $1.2 billion net loss."

**Boon Mee** · 16-12-2011, 06:13 AM

Just when you thought they could not reach a new low - check this out:

Occupiers Keep Holiday Food From Hungry Poor | MRCTV

**HansuMan** · 16-12-2011, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Problem is Minnie, I'm not seeing your $75 an hour claim which koman then proceeded to make great propaganda hay of- substantiated anywhere in the source which you kindly provided after my request.

Is your $75 an hour claim verified there somewhere, but I'm just not seeing it? Can any able-bodied unskilled/Byzentine-art-major worker who shows up in Dawson Creek willing to work hard, grab a job for $75 an hour? Or is that sort of wage more reserved for degreed/experienced engineers?

$75/hour is about $150K/year. Wikipedia reports of Dawson Creek:

Average male income $49,551
Average female income $30,846

Is there something wrong with the people already living in Dawson Creek, that they're not all making $75/hour AKA $150K/year?

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

[...]
I don't lie or muss up the facts, Dear, I'm not a liberal.

I hope you'll substantiate your claim to high honor & integrity, by further obliging my request that you source your $75 an hour claim, Minnie.

Minnie?

Here ~24 hours after my last reminder above, it's looking more and more like Minnie might have employed Boxer's RULE # 20 WRT his $75 an hour claim,

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

^ I hope that doesn't end of being the situation, coz I was really eager to see the SOURCE of his $75 an hour claim.

But until further notice, it's looking increasingly like after Minnie may have been busted attempting Boxer's Rule # 20^, he/she/it is now resorting to Boxer's RULE # 25?

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

**HansuMan** · 16-12-2011, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by HansuMan

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

long article, worth a skim,

Lessons on “Who-less” Ranting, Duff on Ratigan

concludes:

This takes us back to the Ratigan rant. He said someone “owned” congress but never mentioned who.

I am saying someone “owns” the press but I am not mentioning who.

WHO, WHO, WHO!?!

I mentioned yesterday I hadn't seen "Inside Job" yet, and that I would when I could. I bit my tongue on my expectation of what certain elephant in the room would be conspicuously omitted from such an ostensibly "muckraking" documentary- produced by Sony Pictures and narrated by (still) Hollywood marquee-name Matt Damon.

I expect Duff's basic critique above of Ratigan's rant, would transfer nicely to the film "Inside Job" as well. Just a guess, I'll still try to have a look at it when possible.

Originally Posted by Neo

Inside Job... Inside Job (VOSTFR) ::

I agree that a Sony produced Damon narrated documentary would appear to lack credibility, but it really does deal with the subject in a thorough manner and draws its conclusions without pulling any punches.

I remember in 2004 when Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" came out - I was somewhat but not fully awake to 9/11 Truth (namely, I figured the BushCo NeoCons did 9/11, and hoped that if we could just wake up "the Democrats" to this reality, everything would get back to normal- 555). I enjoyed the film, as one who hated BushCo- the film delivered plenty of "red meat" to Bush haters showing DimSon to be the duplicitous retard he is, as well as showing how over-the-top the wars abroad & "Patriot Act" etc domestic police state measures domestically were, all "in response to 9/11".

Well in hindsight, having woken up further to how the Demrats were and remain complicit in the events of 9/11 & the whole ongoing War On Terror Hoax to follow (coz Repugs & Demrats answer to the same elephant)-- it became clear that Moore's F911 film was nothing but controlled opposition propaganda. It didn't raise any concerns about the "false flag" reality of the attacks; it implicated the Saudis as the actual/primary perps of 9/11, showing how tight the Bushes & bin Ladens & Saudi royalty are; and with all this ostensible "deep politics of the Bush's & Saudi Arabia" muckraking, the film didn't mention Israel even once.

Michael Moore's Hollywood agent was (is?) dual US/Israeli citizen Rahm Emanuel's brother.

So "Farenheit 9/11", a film I once would have told you "really does deal with the subject in a thorough manner and draws its conclusions without pulling any punches." ... safe to say, I would tell you differently today. Appeal-to-emotion, polarize the audience (think: Boxer's Left vs Right spew hereabouts..), misdirect, omit the Elephant in the Room-- these are all tools in the clever propagandist's tool bag, and F911 stands as a good example. While I still haven't seen it, I would still expect the same of "Inside Job". Has Matt Damon been Helen-Thomas'd, Mel-Gibson'd, or Rick-Sanchez'd, since he contributed to the "documentary"?

Jewish-American Patriot, US Marine Vet & former Director of the US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky goes further than most of the thousands of highly-credible Patriots Questioning 9/11 - Sabrosky tells exactly WHO perpetrated 9/11, and WHY:

9/11 and Israel: Alan Sabrosky’s Shocking Press TV Interview

**Neo** · 17-12-2011, 03:38 AM

Mmmmm yeah... whatever, perhaps you should try watching the film, I gave you the link.

**Boon Mee** · 17-12-2011, 02:52 PM

^^
Stuck on stupid...

**Boon Mee** · 17-12-2011, 02:57 PM

Seattle Police Say Occupiers Threw Bricks, Road Flares, Bags of Paint And Rebar At Officers During Port Protest.

Just like the Tea Party we suppose...

The Seattle Police Department has released video footage they say shows Occupy Seattle protesters acted violently during Monday’s demonstration. The department asked the public to help identify those allegedly seen in the footage throwing construction debris and flares at officers.
Police said the latest protest, which was “not permitted and not lawful,” was starkly different from the prior protests held by supporters of the Occupy movement.

“You don’t bring bricks and paint and things like that to a demonstration with the intent of peacefully protesting or picketing,” said Assistant Police Chief Mike Sanford.

Protesters had started setting up wooden crates and aluminum in front of the entrance to Terminal 5 when police moved in to clear the area.
“Numerous dispersal orders were given to the marchers. Many responded by pulling more fencing into the roadway. Many marchers then began throwing flares (which burns at 1400 degrees Fahrenheit), bags of bricks and paint, rebar and other debris at the police officers and police horses monitoring the demonstration,” police said in a written statement. At least five officers were injured, police said.

SPD: Video shows Occupy Seattle protesters acted violently - seattlepi.com

**sabang** · 17-12-2011, 05:45 PM

I guess there was a reason you guys had Israeli 'instructors' in Iraq teaching you torture techniques. Quite prescient really, the neo-con's figured you'd probably be needing them at home. Is Obama still being pesky on that unlimited detention thing? Don't worry, he'll cave.

**koman** · 17-12-2011, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

I guess there was a reason you guys had Israeli 'instructors' in Iraq teaching you torture techniques. Quite prescient really, the neo-con's figured you'd probably be needing them at home. Is Obama still being pesky on that unlimited detention thing? Don't worry, he'll cave.

Don't think there was much about torture that was not already well established by the pre-invasion Iraq "government". How quickly we forget; when a bit of America bashing is in order. Anyway if you are going to do torture, it's best to develop good technique.....get's faster results and frees up your people to get on with other things. Anyway, Israeli's don't torture....they negotiate...

Oh and I believe that Obama has already "caved" on locking up those "innocent" people in Gitmo indefinitely. As you must know, everyone in a US prison is "innocent:".....

Prolonged trials, appeals, and overpaid lawyers just hold things up and distort the course of proper justice.....

**sabang** · 17-12-2011, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by koman

if you are going to do torture, it's best to develop good technique

Yep. Learn from the best.

**Tom Sawyer** · 17-12-2011, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Jools

Hardly surprising. When all else fails....blame it on the JOOZ!!!

Well it the shoe fits..

"Wait - it's ok. So what if it doesn't fit? Come on! We can take it in a little - an insole. Oy vei - and we'll knock 5% off the price!"

**OhOh** · 18-12-2011, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by koman

trials, appeals, and overpaid lawyers just hold things up and distort the course of proper justice

Just set the posse off with a rope eh?

**misskit** · 18-12-2011, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Oh and I believe that Obama has already "caved" on locking up those "innocent" people in Gitmo indefinitely. As you must know, everyone in a US prison is "innocent:"..... Prolonged trials, appeals, and overpaid lawyers just hold things up and distort the course of proper justice.....

Is there a book somewhere both you and my father read and memorize these tired old lines? I know. If they weren't guilty of the crime which landed them in jail, then they must have been guilty of something, therefore deserved a prison sentence. That line works well until it is someone YOU know accused of a crime, then it is a miscarriage of justice.

It is not easy to determine guilt or innocence even in a court of law due to mistaken witnesses, unreliable forensic science, false admissions, and the use of informants who make claims to protect themselves. The military will use these same methods to determine which Americans will be detained without trial.

The definition of terrorist is very broad. In the future, militia members or demonstrators can be detained indefinitely because they fit the definition of terrorist.

All is fine and good until it is your friend, cousin, or grandchild who gets whisked away to Gitmo.

There has been 281 DNA exonerations in the USA.
Seventeen were on death row.
Average time served is 13 years before exoneration.
Average age wrongfully convicted is 27
The Innocence Project - Facts on Post-Conviction DNA Exonerations

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