Thread: Thousands to occupy Wall Street in protest

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

And it probably happened before most of us were even born.

All sorted by all accounts at a a meeting on Jekyll Island in the 1930's. The start of the cartel which is now known as The Federal Reserve.

Originally Posted by bsnub

That is why the Euros will come out of this better then us. They understand what we have lost.

Well, why not migrate to Euroweenie Land then eh?

You seem to idolizze them and their socialist governments so much.

^ I have lived there dippy.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

The Moneychangers video is quite interesting as it gives an historical rundown of how power has been taken away from Americans and the fight that the founding fathers put up against it. It also reminds us that the founding fathers were actually socialist and not "freemarketeers" that many here would like to suggest. Their "job" was to implement governance that would put the interest of "We the People" ahead of all other considerations. Personally, for what it's worth, I think the moneychangers are just the facilitators of the corporate takeover. We are now "bonded labourers" within that system of moneylender/corporate state - regardless of whether you have any personal debt. And it probably happened before most of us were even born.

Merry Christmas! Best post I have read in sometime and spot on especially regarding the founding fathers!!

Originally Posted by Thaihome

the founding fathers were actually socialist and not "freemarketeers" that many here would like to suggest.

Socialists with huge plantations run by slaves......now there's an original approach to left wing idealism, and "we the people".......

Zuccotti Park, December 22, 2011

There might have been more officers than protesters at the park when I visited a few hours ago.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Thaihome

the founding fathers were actually socialist and not "freemarketeers" that many here would like to suggest.

Socialists with huge plantations run by slaves......now there's an original approach to left wing idealism, and "we the people".......

First piece of evidence;

Another means of silently lessening inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any county, uncultivated land and unemployed poor, it is clear that the natural laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not the fundamental right to labour the earth returns to the unemployed. It is too soon yet in our country to say that every man who cannot find employment but who can find uncultivated land, shall be at liberty to cultivate it, paying a moderate rent. But it is not too soon to provide by every possible means that as few as possible shall be without a little portion of land.
— Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785

Second piece;

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The
issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to
whom it properly belongs." — Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

Third piece;

While there were some who wished the new America could become self sustaining and avoid depending on foreign trade, it rapidly became apparent our economy couldn't stand alone without it. We relied on the private merchant ships of America to build our economy and fund our treasury, and the captains and owners of those ships relied, of course, on sailors to staff them.

The merchant mariner's job was physical and difficult, leaving them prone to injury. General illness, tropical diseases, wretched backs, sprained wrists, ankles and broken bones could leave a captain without enough crew to man the ship.

Our Founders realized that a healthy work force was essential to our economic health and growth. It was for this reason that, in July of 1798, Congress passed, and President John Adams signed into law an act “For the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen,” establishing the Marine Hospital Service.

This Federal government socialized healthcare insurance was funded by a tax that was withheld from the sailor’s pay, and then turned over to the government by the ship’s owner. This first payroll tax amounted to slightly over 1% of the sailor’s wages. An injured or sick sailor would make a claim, his record of payments would be confirmed, and he would be given a “chit” for admission to the local hospital. Some of these healthcare facilities were private, but in the larger ports Federal maritime hospitals were built.

A year later, in 1799, the hospitals were opened to members of our Navy, until its own were established. (In 1936 the Merchant Marines were declared an auxiliary of the Navy during times of war and emergency, until then, they were always private employees.)

As America grew, this system was expanded to the inland ports along the Ohio and Mississippi rivers and others. It eventually became our Public Health Service, led by the Surgeon General.

We should take a lesson from our Founders, and view today's health insurance issue through the same lens. A healthy work force is more productive. We have enough disadvantages as we compete in the global economy without having to bear the costly burden of a healthcare system that in too many ways works in opposition to its purpose. We're draining consumer purchasing from other more productive areas of our economy to prop up a highly monopolized system that violates that forgotten third word of the free market phrase: competition.

True competition would allow the public to participate. There is no valid free market theory that would reject that idea. That some would describe personal responsibility as surrendering our national interest to the profit motive of the few is a result of thoughtless ideology, not reason.

If we ask the question "Are we being served, or served on a platter?" the answer reveals the action we, the people should take.

Those who disagree are free to do so, but now stripped of the pretense that they are representing the principles of Our Founders, they should avoid that tidbit of sloganeering. Those saying the Constitution doesn't allow the citizens to provide for themselves are obviously wrong. What I have written about here is a prescription to cure that strain of ignorance.

Our Founding Father's Socialized Healthcare System - Paul J. O'Rourke - Open Salon

Originally Posted by bsnub

Our Founders realized that a healthy work force was essential to our economic health and growth. It was for this reason that, in July of 1798, Congress passed, and President John Adams signed into law an act “For the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen,” establishing the Marine Hospital Service.

Ahem......not to rain on your parade or anything bsnub, but hospitals and missions for seamen were quite common well before the US constitution was even a glimmer in the minds of those revolutionary colonists........Not just seamen, but soldiers too. Chelsea Hospital in London was founded By King Charles 11 in 1681 to care for old and injured soldiers... It's really a stretch to read "socialized medicine" into that.... I doubt if King Charlie was well read in marxist ideology or trade union principles....

However, I'm a big supporter of National health care plans. I've lived under them in UK, Germany and Canada. They each have their problems with funding, abuse and meddling from time to time, but overall they work pretty well, and infinitely better than the absurd system so many Americans try to defend. It's one area where your Republicans just can't seem to get their act together....leaving the USA as the only developed country on earth without some kind of universal healthcare system.

Originally Posted by koman

However, I'm a big supporter of National health care plans.

Commie bastard!

Just wait till Boon Mee sees this.

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by koman

However, I'm a big supporter of National health care plans.

Commie bastard!

Thanks Pussy.....I try to cover all the bases......

Originally Posted by koman

It's one area where your Republicans just can't seem to get their act together....leaving the USA as the only developed country on earth without some kind of universal healthcare system.

Agree, what are they afraid of.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by bsnub

That is why the Euros will come out of this better then us. They understand what we have lost.

Well, why not migrate to Euroweenie Land then eh?

You seem to idolizze them and their socialist governments so much.

You must be in a rage BM, Imagine, all those welfare recipients and dirty unemplyed non tax paying hippies driving on roads and bridges that YOUR TAXES paid for.
Leeching scum they are.

You see BM, any society is socialist to a degree.
When the tribe got to a certain size we all agreed to throw some money into the pot to hire some people to police it and some teachers to teach the kids and some soldiers to prtect us from the marauders and build some roads and bridges hire some other people to oversee it (bureaucrats).
Then it got bigger still and we needed people to represent our various villages to meet and make decisions regarding the spending of our pot and which roads and bridges to build and so on, and so Politicians came into it.
Now what is the issue you have with some of that pot being spent on healthcare for the community?

Originally Posted by Koojo

Agree, what are they afraid of.

They are afraid of losing their PAC money. PAC stands for Political Action Committee, a group formed fund a politician's election. Campaign contributions.

Much of this PAC money comes from Big Pharma, health insurers, and the AMA. They influence what bills are brought up before congress and what bills are trashed.

Top receivers of PAC money 2009-2010



Notice how many of the top ten are Republicans.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by koman

It's one area where your Republicans just can't seem to get their act together....leaving the USA as the only developed country on earth without some kind of universal healthcare system.

Agree, what are they afraid of.

Mostly change I think...and the fact that other countries have found it necessary to eat into their defence budgets to fund it.....

^ That's a good point but much of it has to do with the fact the big insurers will lose profits if they have to compete with a government administered program.

The rest of the health care industry will lose profits because the government program will have the power to set the prices it wants to pay for hospitals, doctors, and drugs.

Originally Posted by koman

Before you bring down any system, you have to have something viable to replace it, otherwise you end up with chaos, and in a far worse situation than under the status-quo.

As to replacing the rigged/fraudulent House of Rothschild global money/banking racket, recall yesterday I linked to the 48 min animated vid, "Money As Debt":
#1920


They actually made a trilogy of it, released Parts 2 & 3 later, which suggest alternative systems to replace the corrupt/usurious current system - the producers are actually not gold-standard advocates, but they propose interesting ideas,
Money as Debt II - Promises Unleashed • Money as Debt III - Evolution Beyond Money

Uploaded by mysticdave666 on Feb 6, 2011
Money As Debt II-Promises Unleashed explores the baffling, fraudulent and destructive arithmetic of the money system that holds us hostage to a forever growing DEBT... and how we might evolve beyond it into a new era.

Bailouts, stimulus packages, debt piled upon debt...Where will it all end?
How did we get into a situation where there has never been more material wealth & productivity and yet everyone is in debt to bankers?
And now, all of a sudden, the bankers have no money and we the taxpayers, have to rescue them by going even further into debt!

Check out the website: Money as Debt

I don't find a full, contiguous version of M.A.D. III, just broken up versions, search:
Money as Debt III - Evolution Beyond Money Full - YouTube

^^ Back on the Ed Griffin/ Creature From Jekyll Island subject for a moment, and with Federal Reserve Ownership expert Boxer square in my sites , I present you all, the Glen Beck show with guest Ed Griffin for the whole show, 40 mins:



at the sales page for the book, enticing reviews: Creature from Jekyll Island (softbound book)

The 5th Edition includes a no-holds barred analysis of bank bailouts under the Bush and Obama Administrations that are shown to be nothing less than legalized plunder of the American people. Many other updates have been added, including a revision to the list of those who attended the historic meeting at Jekyll Island where the Federal Reserve was created.

The Creature is at the top of the Best-Seller display at Borders Book Store in Thousand Oaks, California (photo at right). That's where the author lives, but he was totally surprised when a friend told him that the store is featuring his book.

"A superb analysis. Be prepared for one heck of a journey through time and mind." – Ron Paul, Member of Congress, House Banking Committee, 2008 & 2012 Presidential candidate.

"Scary. It's the story of the world banking system. Enough said." – Willie Nelson, Musician/Author

"Have you read this book? If not, read it. It's a fascinating and amazing journey." – Glenn Beck, TV commentator.

"A gripping adventure into the secret world of the international banking cartel." – Mark Thornton, Asst. Professor of Economics, Auburn University, Coordinator of Academic Affairs, Ludwig von Mises Institute

"This is a murder mystery about the financial 'murder' of the middle class." - Robert Kiyosaki, author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad

"A train-load of heavy history, written in such a relaxed and easy style that it captivated me. I hated to put it down." – Dan Smoot, Publisher/Editor, Dan Smoot Report

"As a career banker and president of a bank consulting firm, I thought I had a good understanding of the Federal Reserve, but this book changed the way I view our entire monetary system." – Marilyn MacGruder Barnwall, Grand Junction, Colorado

"I have just finished reading this for the FOURTH time!!!! Each time only adds another gloss of patina to the truth." – David J. Nitsche, ex banker (25 year career), Bridgeton, New Jersey

"My wife manages a large main library and told me there are over 37 people on the waiting list for The Creature from Jekyll Island. Branch libraries have similar reservations." - Stan

"Before reading your book, I thought I had a good financial education. My degrees and CPA, Accounting and Finance from New York University are impressive. ... But I must thank you for giving me the real education on money." - L.B., Denver, CO

"I've spent my career as Finance VP and CFO for a number of companies, and now I teach accounting at a Community College. I thought I had a handle on money, banking, and finance, but the Creature opened my eyes to things I never saw before and hidden causes I never dreamed existed." - James Sugden

"Seldom does anyone inspire me as you have with your intense research and information. Thank you for sharing with your readers the endless hours needed to bring about your fabulous 'door stop' as you described your book recently on T.V." - Larryn J. Bertrand, Foresthill, CA

[QUOTE="Boon Mee"]National Health Care Plans which the government is the sole provider work in small countries like Thailand[QUOTE]

Right after this statement you give an example of government and private hospitals operating just fine here in Thailand. Pretty sad that an assbackwards country like Thailand has a more equitable health care system than the US.


On a different topic, and slightly related to the OWS protests, here is a graphic of cyclic nature of the American police state.





I sure miss those Bill Clinton years....

[quote=Agent_Smith;1969987][quote="Boon Mee"]National Health Care Plans which the government is the sole provider work in small countries like Thailand

Right after this statement you give an example of government and private hospitals operating just fine here in Thailand. Pretty sad that an assbackwards country like Thailand has a more equitable health care system than the US.

It does seem that way but the salient point is government health care can work in only relatively small (not backward) countries. In the US, you've got millions of illegal aliens and others freeloading off the system.

Also related to the Marxist OWS 'movement...

Give us the child for 8 years in America's public schools and it will be a Bolshevik forever - like this guy.
Vladimir Lenin



Reckon that's bsnub at one of his 'gatherings'?

Clear evidence that communism ruins your teeth....

#Occupy DC Suffers Rat Infestation – Hezbollah & Hamas Flags Being Flown at Camp

People monitoring the Occupy D.C. movement tell Inside the Ring that the two encampments are fast becoming health hazards. Numerous protesters also recently were sickened with unusual respiratory illnesses.
The major emerging problem for the leftists camped out in tents at McPherson Square and Freedom Plaza is rats. The rodents appear to be moving into the area by the hundreds, and their numbers are increasing daily.
The McPherson camp appears be where more radical leftists are based. An observer familiar with the McPherson camp said one distinctive smell coming from the park area is that of methamphetamine being smoked.
Among the flags being flown by some protesters are those from the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, the Iranian-backed Hezbollah and al Qaeda.


Inside the Ring - Washington Times


Gee whizz, can't recall any rats or Hezbollah flags at the Tea Party gatherings, can y'all?

Boone me's twin?