Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

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I must apologize...

I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 93 years ago.

This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions.



Snopes: Claim: A 1922 newspaper article reported that "radical change in climatic conditions" was melting Arctic ice and disrupting wildlife. TRUE

http://www.snopes.com/politics/scien...______________

Originally Posted by S Landreth

it isn't substantive evidence either for or against

Aww... come on man... wheres the data from 1922?...

less ice 1s good right !
wont more fish be able to breed
ships take shorter routes

Originally Posted by bowie

I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922,

its still pertinent , because its human nature to think we are living in an eventful important part of history ,at the sharp end , they thought that then as do we now, rather than just another boring cycle in history.


lets have a bet

how long before the warmest January ever is Announced ?

The fixers only need 3 days of data, but they don't want to make that fact too public , but on the other hand they much be itching to announce it ..
so i'll plumb for 18 jan

Not buying it, thanks anyway.

Originally Posted by blue

18 jan

Run with it Blue

How long before he’ll figure it out?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Originally Posted by blue

18 jan

Run with it Blue

How long before he’ll figure it out?

Seems he already has.

I haven't any doubts about climate change, I'm just wondering why no one is calling for a global emergency!

Zero emissions
Petrol rationing
Banning the use of plastics
Cancel all beef industry subsidies and the cutting of rain-forest by big agribiz corporations.
Revival of the hemp industries; clothes, toys, bags, food source.

The end of civilization as we know it. Place your bets.

1) Gamma Ray Burst from Outer Space
2) Super Virus
3) Economic Collapse
4) Famine
5) Global Warming
6) Super Volcano
7) Nuclear Holocaust
8) Asteroid
9) Bio Weapon Release
10) Fuel Shortage

Oh... and I almost forgot to mention "The Rapture".

Well, what do you think?

Originally Posted by bowie

Well, what do you think?

Did you eat your Wheaties today?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by bowie

Well, what do you think?

Did you eat your Wheaties today?

No. Total.


My thoughts- a toss up between an Asteroid Strike or a Super Flu Pandemic, but leaning more towards the Pandemic.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I haven't any doubts about climate change, I'm just wondering why no one is calling for a global emergency!

Zero emissions
Petrol rationing
Banning the use of plastics
Cancel all beef industry subsidies and the cutting of rain-forest by big agribiz corporations.
Revival of the hemp industries; clothes, toys, bags, food source.

Lots of people are calling for it but none of them actually want to give anything up.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I haven't any doubts about climate change, I'm just wondering why no one is calling for a global emergency!

Zero emissions
Petrol rationing
Banning the use of plastics
Cancel all beef industry subsidies and the cutting of rain-forest by big agribiz corporations.
Revival of the hemp industries; clothes, toys, bags, food source.

Lots of people are calling for it but none of them actually want to give anything up.

Have you been to Ireland DrBob?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I haven't any doubts about climate change, I'm just wondering why no one is calling for a global emergency!

Zero emissions
Petrol rationing
Banning the use of plastics
Cancel all beef industry subsidies and the cutting of rain-forest by big agribiz corporations.
Revival of the hemp industries; clothes, toys, bags, food source.

Lots of people are calling for it but none of them actually want to give anything up.

Have you been to Ireland DrBob?

I'm from Ireland. You know that.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I'm from Ireland. You know that.

Ok then, you already know.



The irish are kinda like the French!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I'm from Ireland. You know that.

Ok then, you already know.



The irish are kinda like the French!

Earl. I'm not an 8 year-old. You're going to have to do a lot better than that to annoy me

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Earl. I'm not an 8 year-old. You're going to have to do a lot better than that to annoy me

Shucks!!!

Anyway Ireland is mighty clean and plastic free, a nice model for the world me thinks.
Shame about the nasty weather.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Earl. I'm not an 8 year-old. You're going to have to do a lot better than that to annoy me

Shucks!!!

Anyway Ireland is mighty clean and plastic free, a nice model for the world me thinks.
Shame about the nasty weather.

I've spent three weeks there in the last thirty years, Yes, it rained!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I've spent three weeks there in the last thirty years, Yes, it rained!

And you cant find a plastic bag, anywhere, even if your life depended on it!

While there I reused my plastic bags imported from Scotland over and over and over.

I wish Thailand could stop using plastic bags

Originally Posted by bowie

My thoughts-

Careful. Thinking is not for everyone. You may hurt yourself. We don't want that now, do we?

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Careful. Thinking is not for everyone. You may hurt yourself. We don't want that now, do we?

Is that what we call "thought-hurt"? Something along the lines of "new-speak".

Seems to me many here are victims of "thought-hurt".

I know I'm hurting just thinking about it.

Just a taste of the news to come for December’s numbers which should be released next week (global, starting the 14th).

2015 is officially in the books as the second-hottest year ever recorded for the U.S., with a major boost provided by the incredible warmth that bathed the eastern half of the country in December, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Thursday.

What JMA’s annual global average surface temperature looks like today,………

The annual anomaly of the global average surface temperature in 2015 (i.e. the average of the near-surface air temperature over land and the SST) is estimated at +0.40°C (*) above the 1981-2010 average (+0.76°C above the 20th century average), likely to become the warmest record for the 125-year period since 1891. On a longer time scale, global average surface temperatures have risen at a rate of about 0.71°C per century.

* Note that this figure is still subject to change, because at the moment of this announcement it is only a preliminary result that was calculated based on temperature observations for the period of January to November in 2015.

Five Warmest Years (Anomalies)

1st. 2015 (+0.40°C), 2nd. 2014 (+0.27°C), 3rd. 1998 (+0.22°C), 4th. 2013, 2010 (+0.20°C)

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Another study

Global warming is now slowing down the circulation of the oceans — with potentially dire consequences

Last week, we learned about the possible destabilization of the Totten Glacier of East Antarctica, which could unleash over 11 feet of sea level rise in coming centuries.

And now this week brings news of another potential mega-scale perturbation. According to a new study just out in Nature Climate Change by of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and a group of co-authors, we’re now seeing a slowdown of the great ocean circulation that, among other planetary roles, helps to partly drive the Gulf Stream off the U.S. east coast. The consequences could be dire – including significant extra sea level rise for coastal cities like New York and Boston.

A vast, powerful, and warm current, the Gulf Stream transports more water than “all the world’s rivers combined,” according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. But it’s just one part of a larger regional ocean conveyor system — scientists technically call it the “Atlantic meridional overturning circulation” — which, in turn, is just one part of the larger global “thermohaline” circulation (“thermohaline” conjoins terms meaning “temperature” and “salty”).

For the whole system, a key driver occurs in the North Atlantic ocean. Here, the warm Gulf Stream flows northward into cooler waters and splits into what is called the North Atlantic Current. This stream flows still further toward northern latitudes — until it reaches points where colder, salty water sinks due to its greater density, and then travels back southward at depth.

This “overturning circulation” plays a major role in the climate because it brings warm water northward, thereby helping to warm Europe’s climate, and also sends cold water back towards the tropics. Here’s a helpful visualization, from Rahmstorf and the Potsdam Institute, of how it works:

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So far, the study finds, we’re looking at a circulation that’s about 15 to 20 percent weaker. That may not sound like much, but the paper suggests a weakening this strong has not happened at any time since the year 900. Moreover, this is already more weakening than scientifically expected — and could be the beginning of a further slowdown that could have great consequences.

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Indeed, researchers recently found a sudden, 4-inch sea level rise of the U.S. East Coast in 2009 and 2010, which they attributed to a slowdown of the Atlantic overturning circulation. Rahmstorf says that “for a big breakdown of the circulation, [sea level rise] could amount to one meter, in addition to the global sea level rise that we’re expecting from global warming.”

Shutting down the circulation would also almost certainly have effects on global weather — changing around major planetary heat transport processes tends to do that — though scientists don’t know yet what those would look like.

So in sum: It appears that we’ve just seen yet another surprise from the climate system — and yet another process, like the melting of Antarctica, that seems to be happening faster than previously expected. And indeed, much like with that melting, the upshot if the trend continues is an especially bad sea level rise for the United States — the country more responsible than any other on Earth for the global warming that we’re currently experiencing.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

So in sum: It appears that we’ve just seen yet another surprise from the climate system — and yet another process, like the melting of Antarctica, that seems to be happening faster than previously expected. And indeed, much like with that melting, the upshot if the trend continues is an especially bad sea level rise for the United States — the country more responsible than any other on Earth for the global warming that we’re currently experiencing.

I remember reading about this idea few years ago. Looks like it is finally coming to pass.

And when more of the permafrost is exposed and starts to thaw, the rise in CO2 is expected to be exponential, with exponential rise in warming.

Arctic ice model animation for the last 26 years.