Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by MrG

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Same thing happened to my apple tree last year. We had a lousy crop from what is normally a well producing tree.

One of the largest Apple producing areas in America, central wash. Had record breaking crops.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by MrG

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Same thing happened to my apple tree last year. We had a lousy crop from what is normally a well producing tree.

One of the largest Apple producing areas in America, central wash. Had record breaking crops.

Are you trying to insinuate that that is a sign climate change doesn't exist? Apples thrive under heavy sunlight and we had more then our share in Washington state. It led to a snow pack that was less then half of the previous record low, record high temperature averages for June, July, August. This also contributed to a huge fire season with massive forest fires that burned until October.

No a record apple crop can be seen as a sign of climate change and not otherwise.

12/23/2015. 59 degrees Fahrenheit. Never would I have believed this. Seem kinda unusual. Just sayen.

A good Apple crop can be seen seen as a sign of Global warming, wow they got you buddy.

How about it was just a very good year for the Apple trees.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by MrG

^
Same thing happened to my apple tree last year. We had a lousy crop from what is normally a well producing tree.

One of the largest Apple producing areas in America, central wash. Had record breaking crops.

Are you trying to insinuate that that is a sign climate change doesn't exist? Apples thrive under heavy sunlight and we had more then our share in Washington state. It led to a snow pack that was less then half of the previous record low, record high temperature averages for June, July, August. This also contributed to a huge fire season with massive forest fires that burned until October.

No a record apple crop can be seen as a sign of climate change and not otherwise.

I responded to an observation on one post and observed myself only that my apples didn't come in very well this year. I didn't connect it with Global warming in particular, just reported it. If it had been a Gardening Thread I might have added that it was probably a result of my amateur pruning.

And oh, since you're interested, we had a bumper crop of persimmons--451, and man are they good.

So, no Hornblower, they have "got me", but based on science, not a crop of crappy apples in my back yard.
I hope all the other denier lunatics who responded to my apples heard that. Save wear and tear on my keyboard.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by MrG

^
Same thing happened to my apple tree last year. We had a lousy crop from what is normally a well producing tree.

One of the largest Apple producing areas in America, central wash. Had record breaking crops.

Are you trying to insinuate that that is a sign climate change doesn't exist? Apples thrive under heavy sunlight and we had more then our share in Washington state. It led to a snow pack that was less then half of the previous record low, record high temperature averages for June, July, August. This also contributed to a huge fire season with massive forest fires that burned until October.

No a record apple crop can be seen as a sign of climate change and not otherwise.

No, I was responding to Mr. G post about his apple tree, but feel free to ad whatever inference you please, you always do.

^ That article is just a piece of garbage and an outright lie. This is the type of propaganda that you constantly swallow. There is no source quoted and no evidence at all in that article it is just trash for the brain dead right wing base.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ That article is just a piece of garbage and an outright lie. This is the type of propaganda that you constantly swallow. There is no source quoted and no evidence at all in that article it is just trash for the brain dead right wing base.

NASA – Fossil Fuels Actually Cool the Planet
BY RUSS HEPLER

In a complete about face of the “Climate Change/Global Warming” mantra, NASA is now asserting that fossil fuels like coal, oil, and natural gas actually are cooling the planet rather than warming it.

This is a very curious development, especially after what just happened in Paris recently with the UN’s “Climate Change” conference.
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Okay I have to admit it: I admire the dedication of the global warming climate change fanatics. They’re just determined to believe humans are changing the weather of the planet, despite massive amounts of growing evidence to the contrary. Glacier-sized evidence.

The latest talking point to march to its death? Fossil fuels cause global warming. Because they don’t. In fact, NASA says they’re actually causing temporary global cooling. That sound you hear? Dying dreams. Crashing Priuses.

Major theories about what causes temperatures to rise have been thrown into doubt after NASA found the Earth has cooled in areas of heavy industrialisation where more trees have been lost and more fossil fuel burning takes place.

Environmentalists have long argued the burning of fossil fuels in power stations and for other uses is responsible for global warming and predicted temperature increases because of the high levels of carbon dioxide produced – which causes the global greenhouse effect.

While the findings did not dispute the effects of carbon dioxide on global warming, they found aerosols – also given off by burning fossil fuels – actually cool the local environment, at least temporarily.
WOW! Isn’t this a surprise. Burning fossil fuels actually cools the planet.

Quick, someone stop Al Gore from jumping off a bridge too far!

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Easy for you to make that comment, but as usual I see you have posted nothing to back up your assertion.

Its not an assertion you pinheaded nitwit. The article you posted is garbage and completely devoid of any facts. It is some right wing commentary piece by some moronic radio personality.

Find me one legitimate climate scientist in the world who claims that global warming is not happening. Not someone who is bought off by big oil. You tried to post a list before and I utterly trounced it debunking EVERY name on your list. I have debunked EVERY article you have ever posted in this thread.

Yet you still come back for more humiliation.

Originally Posted by MrG

I responded to an observation on one post and observed myself only that my apples didn't come in very well this year. I didn't connect it with Global warming in particular, just reported it. If it had been a Gardening Thread I might have added that it was probably a result of my amateur pruning.

And oh, since you're interested, we had a bumper crop of persimmons--451, and man are they good.

So, no Hornblower, they have "got me", but based on science, not a crop of crappy apples in my back yard.
I hope all the other denier lunatics who responded to my apples heard that. Save wear and tear on my keyboard.

Why then did you post it on a global warning thread?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Easy for you to make that comment, but as usual I see you have posted nothing to back up your assertion.

Its not an assertion you pinheaded nitwit. The article you posted is garbage and completely devoid of any facts. It is some right wing commentary piece by some moronic radio personality.

Find me one legitimate climate scientist in the world who claims that global warming is not happening. Not someone who is bought off by big oil. You tried to post a list before and I utterly trounced it debunking EVERY name on your list. I have debunked EVERY article you have ever posted in this thread.

Yet you still come back for more humiliation.

No humiliation here, as you still have posted nothing to refute the article, you never do you just post what your pea brain dreams is the truth, but only if it fits your libtard agenda.

I was referring to the Snub post.

Originally Posted by MrG

I responded to an observation on one post and observed myself only that my apples didn't come in very well this year. I didn't connect it with Global warming in particular, just reported it. If it had been a Gardening Thread I might have added that it was probably a result of my amateur pruning.

And oh, since you're interested, we had a bumper crop of persimmons--451, and man are they good.

So, no Hornblower, they have "got me", but based on science, not a crop of crappy apples in my back yard.
I hope all the other denier lunatics who responded to my apples heard that. Save wear and tear on my keyboard.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Easy for you to make that comment, but as usual I see you have posted nothing to back up your assertion.

Its not an assertion you pinheaded nitwit. The article you posted is garbage and completely devoid of any facts. It is some right wing commentary piece by some moronic radio personality.

Find me one legitimate climate scientist in the world who claims that global warming is not happening. Not someone who is bought off by big oil. You tried to post a list before and I utterly trounced it debunking EVERY name on your list. I have debunked EVERY article you have ever posted in this thread.

Yet you still come back for more humiliation.

No humiliation here, as you still have posted nothing to refute the article, you never do you just post what your pea brain dreams is the truth, but only if it fits your libtard agenda.

You are undoubtedly one of the most stupid people I have ever encountered. The article is baseless and has no evidence at all. NASA never said anything like that and you can not find one credible source that it did. Just mumbo jumbo from a right wing propaganda website. I have no agenda be it liberal or otherwise I merely refuse turn a blind eye to absolutely convincing science with a mountain of evidence to back it up.

Several people on this forum have noted your clear lack of intelligence yet you still insist in yammering on.

Several times you posted articles to this thread and I have debunked everyone of them with facts complete with links. Go back and read through the thread. Your senile brain has a short memory.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Your senile brain has a short memory.

With dementia, it's usually the short term memory that goes first.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here ... Forbes Welcome › sites › 2013/05/26 › t...

Link doesn't work

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Global warming debunked: NASA report verifies carbon dioxide ... Natural Health News and Scientific Discoveries - NaturalNews.com › 040448_solar_r...

Well to start off with a little back story about your source;

Characterized as a "conspiracy-minded alternative medicine website", Natural News has approximately 7 million unique visitors per month.[8] Founder Mike Adams has been accused of using sockpuppet accounts to fraudulently increase the vote count in his self-nomination for a Shorty Award. The journal Vaccine accused Adams of spreading "irresponsible health information" through Natural News.[9] He has also been accused of using "pseudoscience to sell his lies".[10]
Its founder, Michael Allen "Mike" Adams is an AIDS denialist, a 9/11 truther, a birther,[11] and has endorsed conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[12]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_News

You are not off to a good start there repeater666. So lets look at the body of the article for more clues that this is just more junk conspiracy nonsense.

The "study" cited in the article was done by an organization called Principia Scientific International. Here is more info on its CEO;

John O'Sullivan is leader of a group of activists who deny that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has any global warming affect. In the beginning of 2010, they published a book Slaying the Sky Dragon," in which they claim increased carbon dioxide emission is actually good for us.

O'Sullivan has been promoting this book and himself, his other writings, his fascade company called Principia Scientific International, and soliciting public donations through false professional and academic credentials. He is falsely claiming to be a lawyer who has "successfully litigated for more than 13 years in New York and Federal 2nd District courts," a member of the American Bar Association, a legal consultant employed by the British Columbia law firm Pearlman Lindholm, and a science journalist with more than 150 major articles published worldwide including in National Review and Forbes magazines. None of those claims are true.

The following links to documents highlight some of the more serious falsehoods and shams O'Sullivan has in his plan to promote his new career as science writer and legal analyst. In October, John O'Sullivan joined the New York County Lawyer's Association (NYCLA) as a Provisional Member by fraudulently sending in false information. Although he claims in his online resumes and bios that he's been practicing law for over a decade and earned a law degree from the University of Surrey in 1982, he claimed he earned his law degree in January 2010 from "University of Surrey - Hill University."

The Bogus Law and Journalism Credentials of John O'Sullivan

So you expect me to buy the absurd claim that carbon emissions are actually cooling the earth and then you are going to quote from a website run by a huckster who puts up an article quoting a "study" from an organization run by another fraudster who is falsely claiming to be a lawyer and has a fake degree.

Are you a complete moron? Oh wait yes you are.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Your senile brain has a short memory.

With dementia, it's usually the short term memory that goes first.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Easy for you to make that comment, but as usual I see you have posted nothing to back up your assertion.

Its not an assertion you pinheaded nitwit. The article you posted is garbage and completely devoid of any facts. It is some right wing commentary piece by some moronic radio personality.

Find me one legitimate climate scientist in the world who claims that global warming is not happening. Not someone who is bought off by big oil. You tried to post a list before and I utterly trounced it debunking EVERY name on your list. I have debunked EVERY article you have ever posted in this thread.

Yet you still come back for more humiliation.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here ...
Forbes Welcome › sites › 2013/05/26 › t...


Global warming debunked: NASA report verifies carbon dioxide ...
Natural Health News and Scientific Discoveries - NaturalNews.com › 040448_solar_r...

Why CO2 cools the Surface of the Earth
gerhard.stehlik-online.de


Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com › ...

An enhanced greenhouse effect from CO2 has been confirmed by multiple lines of empirical evidence.

Predicting the Future

Good scientific theories are said to have ‘predictive power’. In other words, armed only with a theory, we should be able to make predictions about a subject. If the theory’s any good, the predictions will come true.


Here’s an example: when the Table of Elements was proposed, many elements were yet to be discovered. Using the theory behind the Periodic Table, the Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev was able to predict the properties of germanium, gallium and scandium, despite the fact they hadn’t been discovered.


The effect of adding man-made CO2 is predicted in the theory of greenhouse gases. This theory was first proposed by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius in 1896, based on earlier work by Fourier and Tyndall. Many scientist have refined the theory in the last century. Nearly all have reached the same conclusion: if we increase the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the Earth will warm up.


What they don’t agree on is by how much. This issue is called ‘climate sensitivity’, the amount the temperatures will increase if CO2 is doubled from pre-industrial levels. Climate models have predicted the least temperature rise would be on average 1.65°C (2.97°F) , but upper estimates vary a lot, averaging 5.2°C (9.36°F). Current best estimates are for a rise of around 3°C (5.4°F), with a likely maximum of 4.5°C (8.1°F).
What Goes Down…

The greenhouse effect works like this: Energy arrives from the sun in the form of visible light and ultraviolet radiation. The Earth then emits some of this energy as infrared radiation. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere 'capture' some of this heat, then re-emit it in all directions - including back to the Earth's surface.


Through this process, CO2 and other greenhouse gases keep the Earth’s surface 33°Celsius (59.4°F) warmer than it would be without them. We have added 42% more CO2, and temperatures have gone up. There should be some evidence that links CO2 to the temperature rise.


So far, the average global temperature has gone up by about 0.8 degrees C (1.4°F):

"According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS)…the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8°Celsius (1.4°Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade."

The temperatures are going up, just like the theory predicted. But where’s the connection with CO2, or other greenhouse gases like methane, ozone or nitrous oxide?


The connection can be found in the spectrum of greenhouse radiation. Using high-resolution FTIR spectroscopy, we can measure the exact wavelengths of long-wave (infrared) radiation reaching the ground.




Figure 1: Spectrum of the greenhouse radiation measured at the surface. Greenhouse effect from water vapour is filtered out, showing the contributions of other greenhouse gases (Evans 2006).

Sure enough, we can see that CO2 is adding considerable warming, along with ozone (O3) and methane (CH4). This is called surface radiative forcing, and the measurements are part of the empirical evidence that CO2 is causing the warming.
...Must Go Up

How long has CO2 been contributing to increased warming? According to NASA, “Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975”. Is there a reliable way to identify CO2’s influence on temperatures over that period?


There is: we can measure the wavelengths of long-wave radiation leaving the Earth (upward radiation). Satellites have recorded the Earth's outbound radiation. We can examine the spectrum of upward long-wave radiation in 1970 and 1997 to see if there are changes.





Figure 2: Change in spectrum from 1970 to 1996 due to trace gases. 'Brightness temperature' indicates equivalent blackbody temperature (Harries 2001).
This time, we see that during the period when temperatures increased the most, emissions of upward radiation have decreased through radiative trapping at exactly the same wavenumbers as they increased for downward radiation. The same greenhouse gases are identified: CO2, methane, ozone etc.
The Empirical Evidence

As temperatures started to rise, scientists became more and more interested in the cause. Many theories were proposed. All save one have fallen by the wayside, discarded for lack of evidence. One theory alone has stood the test of time, strengthened by experiments.



We know CO2 absorbs and re-emits longwave radiation (Tyndall). The theory of greenhouse gases predicts that if we increase the proportion of greenhouse gases, more warming will occur (Arrhenius).


Scientists have measured the influence of CO2 on both incoming solar energy and outgoing long-wave radiation. Less longwave radiation is escaping to space at the specific wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Increased longwave radiation is measured at the surface of the Earth at the same wavelengths.


This data provides empirical evidence for the predicted effect of CO2.


https://www.skepticalscience.com/emp...use-effect.htm



BOOM! The video rams it home. These are real climate scientists speaking not the hacks that repeater666 keeps quoting.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Easy for you to make that comment, but as usual I see you have posted nothing to back up your assertion.

Its not an assertion you pinheaded nitwit. The article you posted is garbage and completely devoid of any facts. It is some right wing commentary piece by some moronic radio personality.

Find me one legitimate climate scientist in the world who claims that global warming is not happening. Not someone who is bought off by big oil. You tried to post a list before and I utterly trounced it debunking EVERY name on your list. I have debunked EVERY article you have ever posted in this thread.

Yet you still come back for more humiliation.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here ...
Forbes Welcome › sites › 2013/05/26 › t...


Global warming debunked: NASA report verifies carbon dioxide ...
Natural Health News and Scientific Discoveries - NaturalNews.com › 040448_solar_r...

Why CO2 cools the Surface of the Earth
gerhard.stehlik-online.de


Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com › ...

OK now he's started discussing it with himself.

I wonder if he'll notice he's posting bollocks?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

OK now he's started discussing it with himself.

Sad really.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I wonder if he'll notice he's posting bollocks?

No he wont he simply is just to stupid to recognize that the sources he posts are utterly laughable.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

OK now he's started discussing it with himself.

Sad really.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I wonder if he'll notice he's posting bollocks?

No he wont he simply is just to stupid to recognize that the sources he posts are utterly laughable.

Did you even watch the video,I posted a link.