Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

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HONG KONG—
A new report by the Chinese government predicts dire consequences for China from climate change. The report summing up the views of more than 500 scientists and experts was released on the eve of climate talks in Paris.

China’s Ministry of Science and Technology released the 900 page paper titled, “The Third National Climate Change Assessment Report,” which details the serious consequences that global warming will have on China.

The report predicts a 40 to 60 centimeter rise in sea levels, putting China’s prosperous coastal cities in jeopardy. Melting glaciers and permafrost also threaten massive infrastructure projects such as the Three Gorges Dam and the high-altitude rail link to Tibet.

more here China Releases New Report on Climate Change

Ted Cruz Scores Lowest On AP Study Of Knowledge On Climate Change
By John Amato

When it comes to climate science, two of the three Democratic presidential candidates are A students, while most of the Republican contenders are flunking, according to a panel of scientists who reviewed candidates' comments.

At the request of The Associated Press, eight climate and biological scientists graded for scientific accuracy what a dozen top candidates said in debates, interviews and tweets, using a 0 to 100 scale.

To try to eliminate possible bias, the candidates' comments were stripped of names and given randomly generated numbers, so the professors would not know who made each statement they were grading. Also, the scientists who did the grading were chosen by professional scientific societies.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had the highest average score at 94. Three scientists did not assign former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley a score, saying his statements mostly were about policy, which they could not grade, instead of checkable science.

Two used similar reasoning to skip grading New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and one did the same for businesswoman Carly Fiorina. Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas had the lowest score, an average of 6.

All eight put Cruz at the bottom of the class.

"This individual understands less about science (and climate change) than the average kindergartner," Michael Mann, a Pennsylvania State University meteorology professor, wrote of Cruz's statements. "That sort of ignorance would be dangerous in a doorman, let alone a president."

And just a reminder,……….
king Canute was optimistic

Originally Posted by S Landreth

François Hollande [...] said countries had a rare chance to make history. “We are at a decisive point in time,” he said.

Meaning it may already be too late.

Does this agreement really bind the signatories to a legal framework that can impose punitive measures on those that don't comply? I guess more will become apparent as the document they have signed up to gets examined.

Originally Posted by blue

And just a reminder,……….
king Canute was optimistic

Yeah cheers for that blue... outstanding contribution

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by blue

And just a reminder,……….
king Canute was optimistic

Yeah cheers for that blue... outstanding contribution

Yes thanks, I included both S Landreth, two one liners, from his chunky cut and paste spam and cleverly created a Canuting masterpiece,....

I was gonna send you green but I thought naah...

2015 still on track to be the hottest year ever recorded

The monthly anomaly of the global average surface temperature in November 2015 (i.e. the average of the near-surface air temperature over land and the SST) was +0.54°C above the 1981-2010 average (+0.88°C above the 20th century average), and was the warmest since 1891. On a longer time scale, global average surface temperatures have risen at a rate of about 0.71°C per century.

Five Warmest Years (Anomalies)

1st. 2015 (+0.54°C), 2nd. 2013 (+0.31°C), 3rd. 2001 (+0.26°C), 4th. 2012 (+0.25°C), 5th. 2014, 2006, 2004, 1997 (+0.24°C)

Two views out there about the COP-21 Paris Agreement. One showing us (what could be) the success of the agreement and one not.

Stefan Rahmstorf: I've seen some disappointed comments on the Paris climate agreement. To those who say we need to do more to stop global warming: Yes, of course! To those who expected more from a UN consensus agreement (where a single dissenting country can make the whole thing collapse): You live in la la land. This UN process is just one of many levels where we need to fight the climate crisis, and it has finally delivered its contribution (with the exception of aviation & shipping emissions which have been deferred to next year). This is a huge step. It is a good foundation for everyone to turn to their own governments and business leaders and demand concrete steps that will help to stop global warming near 1.5 °C.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Warmest November ever recorded

18 Dec. 2015 - And now it looks like it will be the warmest December ever recorded.
That will be then 2 months in a row record breaking. Are there still idiots out there who still have doubts about Climate Change ?

Germany is loosing every day agricultural floor areas the size of more than 100 football fields. Every little patch of green is beiing build on for houses and industrie.
The Green Party used to be a ray of hope for us. But it looks like they are failed morons with no future.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

18 Dec. 2015 - And now it looks like it will be the warmest December ever recorded. That will be then 2 months in a row record breaking. Are there still idiots out there who still have doubts about Climate Change ?

It appears to be getting hotter because you are changing historical records

December 18 and the months temperature are already decided ??
HHHHahhahahaaha
ok let me guess, they still using this silly method :
they take the average of the 3 hottest days of the month and compare them to averages from the past ...
so
lets use the same 3 day method for the coldest month ever, and if we have a cold end to the year- then it will be the coldest ever December AND the hottest ever ....

Are there still idiots out there who still believe these temperature figures ????

the hottest and the coldest

Orwell predicted this is 1984 ,even gave it a name
Doublethink
Doublethink is the ability to hold two contradictory opinions at the same time without noticing the contradiction.
It also refers to the mind trick to accept the changes to history made by the Party, and in accepting them, forgetting that the mind trick was ever performed, and then forgetting the forgetting, etc.


or in Orwells words

"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morally while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forger it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself--that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word "doublethink" involved the use of doublethink."
-1984, George Orwell

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Germany is loosing every day agricultural floor areas the size of more than 100 football fields. Every little patch of green is beiing build on for houses and industrie.

then vote for a party that stops mass immigrantion

I know, weather, not climate but look at this picture from this week in Germany. Plants are getting really confused.

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Same thing happened to my apple tree last year. We had a lousy crop from what is normally a well producing tree.

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

18 Dec. 2015 - And now it looks like it will be the warmest December ever recorded. That will be then 2 months in a row record breaking. Are there still idiots out there who still have doubts about Climate Change ?

It appears to be getting hotter because you are changing historical records

December 18 and the months temperature are already decided ??
HHHHahhahahaaha
ok let me guess, they still using this silly method :
they take the average of the 3 hottest days of the month and compare them to averages from the past ...
so
lets use the same 3 day method for the coldest month ever, and if we have a cold end to the year- then it will be the coldest ever December AND the hottest ever ....

Changing historical records ???
Silly method ???

Maybe you are depended on www, records, and methods. I can feel it and hear it.
Do you need examples or do you want to try to leave your house first and have a feel ? When you come back we can discuss it again.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

I know, weather, not climate but look at this picture from this week in Germany. Plants are getting really confused.

Not only that, our german bees are sooooo smart that they can read fake records and are flying out.

And daffodils are blooming in Blighty.

Which usually means winter is over.

I commend SL for starting this thread and keeping it going. Great work.

I would however suggest a title change, if possible.

Deniers/call-'em-what-you-will constitute a small % of the worlds population. Even in the US which is the most denial-prone country in the world it is only about 20% and that is tied to political/religious affiliation mostly.

It is long past time to simply ignore it as white noise. It is not the 20% that is a factor in the US, it is the tiny fraction of the 1% that control the congressmen. (oops, un-pc)

So it is useless to try to convince the 20% in the US. That won't happen anytime soon and will make no difference. The above-mentioned fraction of the 1% don't care what they believe. They are irrelevant. Better to focus on progress.

The title of the thread just encourages interminable 'discussions' that go nowhere and will have no effect on future developments. It is an invitation to come sprout bullsh!t.

I don't like the bullshit either, but I think most people get the ironic note in the question posed in the thread's title.
And if there are doubts about climate change, then what better place to post them than in a single thread where positions can be exchanged in the same place with climate change realists.

Works for me.

You have a photo of a cherry tree, talk of apple trees , a daffodil , none of them are native species to the area .
Maybe the cherries distance cousin but no doubt a very different beast ..

Why you expect that these introduced and man altered plants should be able to sync right into an alien environment is frankly astonishing.
Would a very cold winter in UK and flocks of escaped parrots dying convince you global cooling is coming ? of course not.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Deniers/call-'em-what-you-will constitute a small % of the worlds population.

we've had this one before and I'll give the same answer.
Science isn't a popularity contest, it's not votes that count like some tv talent show.
it only takes one scientist who is right ..to demolish a theory

Same as i was right about neanderthal interbreeding, when the science was ''settled''
that they had not interbreed with homo sapiens ..



You mmgw people need to ask yourself if you are so sure ,why do you beat yourselves up by coming back to this thread all the time ?

Because deep down you know you are wrong , you know you have been brainwashed, but even after a virtually flat 18 years you are still nor ready to accept the truth .
Which is what we have said all along, the climate changes always has done always will, up and down , no proven link at all the Co2,