Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

the most comprehensive analysis of peer-reviewed climate research to date was published

Not being obtuse or anything, but if all the "peers" are working in cushy jobs funded by climate scam, in vast departments only in existence because of climate scam and they discount and discredit anyone who disagree with them, how can you attach any value to "peer reviews" at all?

"heh Chuck, check out my new paper and tell me what you thing\k"

"Larry, does it tell us the world is going to die but offers no solutions and just gives out funders the opportunity to get richer?"

"Sure does Chuck"

"Great, well that is more proof that the science is proven. Well done Larry. Now I am just off to bank my latest funding check paid for from the profits of carbon taxing".

Cracks me up how the ignorant head-in-the-sand climate change denialists don't realize they are merely pawns, being used by anonymous conservative groups to maintain the status quo.

Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

Anonymous billionaires donated $120m to more than 100 anti-climate groups working to discredit climate change science

Source: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | The Guardian

Small change Champ - check out how much Australia alone makes from this scam each year. That s paying of their countries debts interest to private bankers. They $8b last year or something like that?

There are none so blind etc....

.....go on, post another kiddie poster. That will prove your point majestically, Mr Hotshot.

Screwed by climate change: 10 cities that will be hardest hit

I would have to agree with "Takeovers" that we are already well past the point where we can completely eliminate the effects of anthropogenic global warming. In fact we're experiencing the effects already.


Here's a sobering article on which US cities will be hardest hit by global warming-


Screwed by climate change: 10 cities that will be hardest hit | Grist

You can hear heads exploding!



The Goreacle

Climate change, why did they change the name from global warming, I don't deny climate change as we have always had climate change but man made climate change I deny. I see the little man in the street being taxed to death in so many ways from fuel tax, car tax etc yet they dont ban private jets with one passanger on board, and make no mistake some of these jets are big four engined aircraft. Look at the lighting in any western city from big HD screens and neon signs, why are they not banned? No for my money it's a tax generator and the one thing you need to tax people and them not to revolt is fear, the bogey man. I do however think for other reasons we should stop using all fossil fuels and clean up the planet, we are living on the eco systems credit card and we are maxed out.

You ain't wrong.

All the poluution we're generating is making our air too poisonous to breath, especially in urban areas and around motorways, so automatically, more than 50% of the world's population are now going down with chronic bronchial.problems and related kidney and cardio-vadcular disease.
Add an intake of fertilisers, pesticides, growth hormones, artificial preservatives, colourings and flavourings in our foods, heavy metal polutants in our seafoods and a steady intake of medications to counter all the ills we suffer as a result and woop-de-doo, we're gonna get sicker and die slower but more pickled and brain dead.

But what does big brother care? All the time we'll be consuming at a steady rate to keep the owners of Big Pharma, Food and Chemical Industries, Armaments and Security Services and Banks happy.

We'll all switch on to our favourite news channel, web site or video fantasy or game and ignore it all, while the world slowly cooks, and several species of life die off as we head into the never never land of oblivion, alcohol, legal highs and pills all on hand in case we can't hajdle the trip.

One pill to make me happy, one to calm me down, another to keep me pumping, another to keep me awake, another to put me to sleep, .........don't worry, keep consuming....be happy.

Big Brother's got it all sorted, taxes, insurance, I gort a good job,.....work hard, .....save up, spend....yes the elections....no,...the candidate you voted for lied again....wonder what's going on....Global warming? Or is it global cooling? Didn't someone say it's climate change? Don't know....don't know what to do,....too scary....don't wanna know,....pass the bourbon.

Yup, it goes in cycles.

Originally Posted by ENT

Yup, it goes in cycles.

Exactly & that big burning ball of gas in the sky plays a significant part.

So tell me how a continental land mass affects an air curent. In particular the northern polar jet stream....

^Will this involve computer models?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^Will this involve computer models?

No doubt and possibly a resurrection of the infamous Hockey Stick Graph?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by ENT

Yup, it goes in cycles.

Exactly & that big burning ball of gas in the sky plays a significant part.

Um, you think the sun has something to do with the amount of CO2 human beings have put in to the atmosphere?

You think the fact that CO2 levels in our atmosphere have passed 400ppm is natural?

Before the Industrial Revolution, the global average level of CO2 was about 280 ppm.

At the end of the last Ice Age sea levels were about 220 meters lower than today and the North Sea was dry land.

The last time the Earth's CO2 level was 400 ppm, some 3 million years ago, the Arctic was ice-free and sea level was some 25 meters (82 feet) higher than it is today.

Think about that. The majority of the world's population lives on the coast. Most just a meter or two above sea level. The planet is warming and the polar ice is melting. You can argue about how fast or how slow the warming and melting is occurring, but no one is denying that temperatures are on the rise and the ice is melting.

So yeah, you can blame it on the sun and do nothing if you like, but the fact is WE did this.

From a political perspective the climate change denialists (which, no surprise, are primarily Republican) are once again on the wrong side of science and history. Being a climate denier is like opposition to gay marriage in the way it paints Republican politicians as completely out of touch with reality and the will of the people.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

No doubt and possibly a resurrection of the infamous Hockey Stick Graph?

Hmm That's pretty conclusive then. Better cut another one of these then.....

Obama Doesn’t ‘Have Much Patience’ For Climate Change Deniers

Obama warned donors that the climate is warming at an accelerated rate, and that while the dangers may not be readily apparent, they are still severe.
"But the flipside is we also know that the climate is warming faster than anybody anticipated five or 10 years ago, and that the future...in part, is going to depend on our willingness to deal with something that we may not be able to see or smell the way you could when the Chicago River was on fire, or at least could have caught on fire, but is in some ways more serious, more fundamental," Obama said.


Source: Obama Doesn't 'Have Much Patience' For Climate Change Deniers | TPM LiveWire

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

climate change denialists

err remember ,
you lot said a few years ago it's GLOBAL WARMING,
we said, well actually its just a period of climate change, the climates always changed and always will .
Then the climate cooled ,
so faced with this uncomfortable truth ,you lot decided to call your Co2 theory , climate change , and people who disagree with you , climate change deniers ...

Ha ha ha , and you wonder why no one respects or listens to your camp any more.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

You think the fact that CO2 levels in our atmosphere have passed 400ppm is natural?

It's still a bit cold in northern Europe , lets try 500ppm

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

You can argue about how fast or how slow the warming and melting is occurring, but no one is denying that temperatures are on the rise and the ice is melting.

yes and thats a good thing , the ice is from rainwater , ie fresh and pure , it will melt and give the filthy oceans a good wash .
Yes it will wipe out half the 3rd word , but that's all well and good , it's thier population /pollution explosion , deforestation , everybody wanting a moped , air con on 24 /7
that have made the atmosphere so filthy that the sun cannot get trough to warm up Europe .

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

So yeah, you can blame it on the sun and do nothing if you like, but the fact is WE did this.

blame ? I like warming periods , like the medieval warm period , when the agricultural revolution happened .
it's the mini ice age , when they helf fairs on londons Thames that I hate

Britons have endured the coldest spring in 50 years

Fuck the 3rd world .
me , this little girl , and the rest of the civilized world want the heating turned up NOW

^ No problem mate, take the piss all you like.

I must assume you don't have children, because if you did you'd care a bit more about the state of the planet that they will inherit.

Originally Posted by blue

Britons have endured the coldest spring in 50 years

Hmmm so maybe those same scientists on the payroll back in the 70s screaming Ice Age coming were right after all. Science is decided - best we cut another one of these



Oh, and am I not right in thinking that motor cycles pump out proportionally significantly worse emissions than car etc, and people taking superfluous bike trips and using combustion engines as a hobby are basically responsible for knackering the planet? I wonder if we have any pious mouthy bikers waging the Climate Scam war on here?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Oh, and am I not right in thinking that motor cycles pump out proportionally significantly worse emissions than car etc, and people taking superfluous bike trips and using combustion engines as a hobby are basically responsible for knackering the planet? I wonder if we have any pious mouthy bikers waging the Climate Scam war on here?

A car is more eco-friendly than a bike?! Are you nuts?!

Motorbikes '16 times worse than cars for pollution' | Environment | The Guardian

Motorbikes '16 times worse than cars for pollution'

Motorbikes are churning out more pollution than cars, even though they make up only a small fraction of vehicles on the roads, according to a report.

Tests on a selection of modern motorbikes and private cars revealed that rather than being more environmentally-friendly, motorbikes emit 16 times the amount of hydrocarbons, including greenhouse gases, three times the carbon monoxide and a "disproportionately high" amount of other pollutants, compared to cars. Ana-Marija Vasic at the Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Testing and Research, who led the research, said the need to legislate on emissions from motorbikes has been overlooked because there are so few on the roads. The oversight has lead to a paucity of research into ways of making their engines run more cleanly.

In Britain, there are 1,060,000 motorbikes on the road but more than 25m private cars.

Dr Vasic's tests showed that, especially in urban traffic, when motorcyclists frequently accelerated quickly, motorbike engines burned fuel inefficiently, giving a sharp peak in emissions. The yearly hydrocarbon emissions of the average two-wheeler in urban traffic measured up to 49 times higher than that of the average car, according to the study, due to be published in the journal Environmental Science and Technology.

"The importance of [motorbike] emissions has been underestimated in legislation, giving manufacturers little motivation to improve aftertreatment systems," said Dr Vasic. The tests were carried out on a variety of Yamaha, Piaggio and Honda 50cc scooters and Suzuki, Honda and BMW motorbikes with engine sizes ranging from 800cc to 1150cc.

'MythBusters' asks: Are motorcycles greener than cars? - latimes.com