Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Green, of course. The chap is quite normal and obviously discerning. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by JetsetBkk

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to thegent again."

Red or green?

You can't tell the difference with that cave man browser you're using!

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by hazz

Originally Posted by pseudolus

It must be such a shame when the loudest voice of the Climate Fear camp is over and over found out to be a liar, who whilst telling his porky pies is getting richer and richer. Just think, at 300k per hour, each of the lies he tells cost about 5 grand. mmmm Expensive.

And the relevance of this to the reality of global warming is?

It's a scientific matter. Who is a judge to judge?

The judge was simply looking at the consensus view of the scientific community, comparing that with what was being claimed by the film and making a judgement on the films compliance regarding the laws that cover the nature and quality of information that is presented to school children. I would say that a judge is perfectly qualified to make that judgment.

Now what I am curious about is just how many of those claims about what the judge said in pseudolus's paste turn out to be correct, free of spin and misrepresentation. I think I might check; as to lie when calling someone else a lier; is a level of hypocrisy I find quite amusing.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Any doubts about Climate Change?

YES ................

the doubt that we will be able to come together as a critical mass to tackle the problem in the time available.

Typical nonsense from a climate changer "scientist" whose livelihood is utterly dependent upon an industry founded upon nothing other than bogus fears capitalising on half-truths peddled by charlatans.

As Goebbels realised, if you are going to lie, make it a fucking big one.

the world may be getting warmer, or it may not. we can only sit and watch, we are helpless to intervene.

whatever it is doing, one thing is sure, the efforts of loud mouthed politicians, tax funded tree huggers and misinformed suburbanites will not make one iota of difference to the eventual outcome.

increasing taxes on business, on cars, on fossil fuels will only weaken those countries that impose them, whilst china, india , russia etc. will continue to develop thanks to reliance on fossil fuels and non compliance with any treaties.

should the world heat up excessively, or cool down excessively then violent storms, floods, tornados, desertification crop failures and disease will give the planet a much needed reduction in its population, from which it will eventually recover and re balance itself, to the great benefit of all those remaining.

to those politicians, tree huggers, journalists and attention seekers that think they can fight fight the forces of nature and save the world, i humbly refer you to king canute.

^Thing is tax, its not fighting the forces of nature is it, after all the models, including the one that addresses the concerns that the sckeptics had about the overs, show that human activity is and is going to be responsible for the global warming that threatens to unleash the forces of nature that you are quite right to say we cannot control.

But as are actions act to create this mess, its far from king canute to change our activities and prevent this future from occurring. I would humbly suggest that what you are said is as short sighted and foolish as those fools we see around thailand borrowing against their farmland without a thought to paying back the loan.... who then get all surprised when the bank wants their land.

^^Elegant words gent, but beyond him saying things you don't like... do you have any evidence that he is dependent on any industry, that he is a shill or that the science that backs up his claims is incorrect. because at the moment you seem to be talking rather like an intelligent design fanatic

Originally Posted by S Landreth

^We should never give up.

A video (uploaded March 9, 2013) related to your comment.

In an interview with veteran journalist Bill Moyers on Friday, scientist Anthony Leiserowitz, director of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, described the dire need to reinvigorate communities across the globe in the fight against climate change — a subject Leiserowitz says is as much a communications challenge as it is a scientific one.

“[A] pervasive sense up to now has been that climate change is distant — distant in time, and distant in space,” Leiserowitz tells Bill. “And what we’re now beginning to see is that it’s not so distant.”

That anyone laying claim to be a scientist could utter such whimsical nonsense is perhaps testament to the profound banality of the entire global warming charade. Given that we are 60 million years into the current era and 2500 billion years in the span of Earth's existence which depending upon the Sun has may be another 2000 billion years before getting terminally frazzled, I rather think, putting it into context, 10 years of data collection by a bunch of self serving techno hacks really means sweet fuck all.

That he is also " director of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication " perhaps tells us all what we need to know that the so called message of climate change requires a study in communication to convey its meaning - putting it crudely, it ain't the song baby, its the singer that's all wrong.

Scientific truth requires no packaging or the facilitation by snakeoil peddlars garnering support for its product. But the thing is, the global warming shit isn't science and does and what better way than dress up one of its paid shills in the garb of a posturing scientist spouting drivel from the cloisters of an esteemed place of learning only too happy to get its own slice of the big fat pie that is the changer industry.

Look, it's a bore. No con lasts forever although this bullshit will almost certainly go into the annals of human stupidity as the longest.

One yearns for that asteroid to hit and maybe then we'll finally see the end of this interminable claptrap that has cost taxpayers billions the world over.

I ain't buying the message.

Originally Posted by thegent

Given that we are 60 million years into the current era and 2500 billion years in the span of Earth's existence which depending upon the Sun has may be another 2000 billion years before getting terminally frazzled, I rather think, putting it into context, 10 years of data collection by a bunch of self serving techno hacks really means sweet fuck all.

The age of the earth is estimated at 4.5 billion years. The universe around 10 billion years. Or six thousand years if you are a skeptic who believes the biblical time table.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by JetsetBkk

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to thegent again."

Red or green?

Green! (Of course!)

The judge was there to decide if the contents of the film complied with the British law regarding the quality of information given to school children in this country. The judge was not a scientist, which is why both parties presented experts to explain the science to him.

I guess in that special universe you have made in that head of yours. it is bollocks to have a judge interpret that law, but in the universe that most of the rest of us live in where the sky is blue, gravity keeps the moon spinning round the earth and, where wishful thinking and evidenced truth are very different things.... judges are the people you get to interpret the law and enforce it.

Originally Posted by hazz

The judge was there to decide if the contents of the film complied with the British law regarding the quality of information given to school children in this country. The judge was not a scientist, which is why both parties presented experts to explain the science to him.

I guess in that special universe you have made in that head of yours. it is bollocks to have a judge interpret that law, but in the universe that most of the rest of us live in where the sky is blue, gravity keeps the moon spinning round the earth and, where wishful thinking and evidenced truth are very different things.... judges are the people you get to interpret the law and enforce it.

You're stark raving mad Hazz.
Do you honestly think that a judge is more competent than a scientist in discerning scientific fact from fiction? Crazy!

In your special universe of cartoon atoms and where fluorine is an essential nutrient and there's no cure for HIV, a non-scientist is the ultimate arbiter of truth in scientific findings.

Well, both he and you are wrong, as his judgement is (as is yours) so skewed that truth is not a part of his personal agendum.

THe fool has made a complete idiot of himself in scientific circles by even attempting to deny the existence of the phenomena related to global warming presented.
Pull the other leg Hazz.

Oh dear. ENT, " experts " are just ordinary folk who've devoted their time to focusing upon a narrow field of endeavour and have acquired all the available kowledge that may pertain to that field. They are not superhuman, they are not infallible and in many respects by definition of their calling can be riven with vanity and hubris. It's human nature. Ultimately, the only function of the expert is to make a decision on an informed basis and the analysis of relevant data in accordance with known laws. In arriving at that decision the expert makes a judgement. He's not God.

Expert scientific evidence is in essence based on what we think we know, now. It's not immutable and it certainly doesn't represent truth in the sense pure mathematics can.

The global warming debacle has simply reinforced the common belief among the intelligent that man is still a vain, stupid creature led by greed and pride. And certainly, the so called scientific community has no one else to blame if the world now views them as charlatans. Bit like bankers who destroyed the economic world, eh?

Originally Posted by ENT

The stupid idiot even denies that the C02 conveyor system is NOT slowing down, hence the warming of the Northern (Arctic) Ocean and that corals are not dying through solar bleaching due to global warming.

The man's a fool as you obviously are to agree with him and support his judgement.

Ahh, so you choose to ignore the viral impact of organisms upon reef micro-biology?

Brave man there, Ent.

^ It is the warming that is allowing pathogen overgrowth , actually minute levels of de salination are also a variable.

And how is it that you so glibly attribute fluctuation in ocean temperature to Co2 production whilst presumably dismissing the solar effect and the operation of global currents such as the Atlantic Conveyor, El Nino and La Nina among others?

Of course, you may also wish to weave into the equation the operation of the jet stream although, in your weird little Gore centric world, that phenomenon may well be dependent upon the plankton imbalance off the coast of Bingbongo land and the lichen fields in the Tundra and also similarly Co2 influenced?

The complexity of the interaction between scarcely understood forces is currently beyond scientific comprehension but that still doesn't prevent gormless twits farting around with computer simulated models twisting ill digested data to fit whatever silly presumption sycophantic nitwits choose to come up with in order to substantiate the ill conceived notion that significant global warming is taking place and as a direct consequence of industrial sourced Co2 production.

Frankly, it's the greatest fix of all time: no matter what occurs on the planet it is exclusively dependent upon Co2 production and therefore the solution is in the hands of man. The ultimate conceit - man determines his destiny and is the author of his salvation. Only fucking stupid Americans, guided by their slavish devotion to a white Christian God, could have come up with that one.

The Gent,

And all that above doesn't refute overwhelming evidence it is happening and it is from the industry green house gasses.

That you consider the ill founded propositions to be " evidence " perhaps tells we more intelligent of the world all that we need to know about the power of this quite wonderful scam.

There's a mug born every minute and they'll all buy Brooklyn Bridge if the hook is right. Oops, sorry, that should be, they'll all buy a windmill.....har,har.

The earth is resilient and is unaffected by our actions. Farting animal life puts out more "bad" into the environment than we ever will.

Originally Posted by chitown

The earth is resilient and is unaffected by our actions. Farting animal life puts out more "bad" into the environment than we ever will.

Well stop farting!!!

Originally Posted by chitown

The earth is resilient and is unaffected by our actions

Well that's clearly not true. We're the only animal on the planet that terraforms to the scale we do and some places are barely fit for humans much less flora and fuana - how many species have died as a direct result of human actions/activity.

I mean to say, would you swim in this:



(Yes, it's a river)

Would you drink this water:



Want to breathe this air:



If the immediate environment of your home can be polluted, then a town can be polluted, if a town can be polluted then a city can be polluted, if a city can be polluted then a nation can be polluted. That being the case why is it such a giant leap for some to believe that pollution can occur on a global scale. I really don't get the disconnect there.