Thread: bring back the draft!

Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 under a bill the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee says he will introduce next year.Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars.

“There’s no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm’s way,” Rangel said.

Rangel seeks to revive draft - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com

i can't imagine it will become law, but it should.

the next time the US elects a president who is a war monger and/or lacks intellectual curiosity, they'll be a swift and significant response at the polls....not six years later, but 2 or 4.

of course many US teenagers would certainly be killed because they didn't have enough training, but maybe that will finally force the american people to take their right to vote seriously....you shouldn't vote for someone to run the country because they're someone you'd like to have a beer with. you vote for the most competent person...even if he or she is as boring as al gore.

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Don't agree. Conscript armies are not effective. Smaller professional armies are.

but the smaller, professional army has lost the war in iraq....could conscripts have done any worse? perhaps.

Rangel has mentioned this before the stimulate the public.

As Boon Me states, drafted (conscript) armies don't work well together, perform less efficiency, and don't do as good as a volunteer army.

After 'Nam Gen. Creighton Abrams made it so that any future (and you now) wars started by American politicians would have to heavily involve the reserves.

This way the impact of sending Americans overseass would not be restricted to 19 year olds, but slightly older to middle aged carpenters, bankers, teachers, etc.

I agree with Boon Mee, let's draft all the dumbwits and imbeciles who voted for Bush, to join the army and do their bit to defeat "Islamists" in Iraq, and Iran, or whereever the US seem fit to invade next. Make the scum eat their own words.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Rangel has mentioned this before the stimulate the publi

and IMO that's a good thing. these wars of choice will not get off the ground if middle class kids are threatened with being drafted.

like rangel said, if there was a draft in 2002/3 the US never would have invaded iraq....and the US and iraq wouldn't be in the hopeless mess they are in now.

Originally Posted by stroller

Make the scum eat their own words.

at the risk of offending eliminator's delicate sensibilities...those young republican punks that cheer for wars of choice should eat mortar rounds and rpgs.

i agree with ray.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

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Don't agree. Conscript armies are not effective. Smaller professional armies are.

I agree.

However, I would support a program for National Service of at least one year that would provide a number of alternatives -- forestry or national park service, urban volunteer work with schools, food banks or the homeless, disaster relief, etc. And of course, for those interested in the military, that could be the choice.

national service is all well and good, but middle class families need to know that their kids could end up on the other side of world with targets on their back when wars of choice get started. they have to realize that the disaster in iraq is not just something that is on the news during dinner.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Telling people we lost the war is just childish and counter productive. We won the war, it's what to do after that, that the politicians have no idea how to handle.

when you're up at half time, can you say you won?

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

This kind of rhetoric is just so much crap to stir up a fight. if you truly wish to changes made in the way the current situation is being handled if you truly care about the policies and the direction the country has taken why do continue to try and alienate everyone?

first of all, who's everyone?

you're damn right i want change. i want an end to wars of choice. if there was a draft in 2002, there wouldn't be a quagmire. simple as that.

Here is the plan fellas:

1. Reinstate draft
2. Blame GWB for draft
3. Burn Draft cards
4. Blame GWB for being arrested for burning draft cards
5. Complain, blame GWB, smoke pot.
6. Blame GWB when pot runs out.

Originally Posted by raycarey

those young republican punks that cheer for wars of choice should eat mortar rounds and rpgs.

Well they would argue that they would need to stay home to support the troops.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

The Bad Ol' US kicked Iraq's butt.

No they didn't. The Iraqis surrendered. Even the French army could have walked in without using their guns.

Doesn't surprise me at all that ole raycarey supports another one of the liberal crackpot ideas.

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to send every American kid through basic training?

The moonbats would simply smoke dope and get kicked out (the fastest way to get out of the military nowadays.) and just waste taxpayers money.

Originally Posted by stroller

I think there should be a draft for all Bush voters.
3 months boot camp and off ye go where the action is...

A self professed draft dodger advocating a draft ... how comical.

This would be an excellent way to gauge just how much Americans will put up with before they revolt.....wait a minute...what am I saying?? Wrap it in the flag and "Merkans" will put up with anything......sad

The draft is just more liberal social engineering in the military, pure and simple. Guys like raycarey just want to sabotage the military any way they can, any time they can. They know that if you haven't served you're not a true citizen, but they're too self-centered to serve the country instead of themselves, so they'd rather try to pull the military down to their level. Ray's always trying to pull me into his abyss.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by stroller

I think there should be a draft for all Bush voters.
3 months boot camp and off ye go where the action is...

A self professed draft dodger advocating a draft ... how comical.

It's just a way of making them put the money where their mouth is so to say.
I bet the cocky young repugs wouldn't run their ugly loud mouths so much if they had to follow up on what they spout.

"3 months boot camp and off ye go where the action is...", and if they're found raping or murdering, have them courtmarshalled and executed there and then, but not until after they've been interrogated using the latest 'hazing' techniques...

Originally Posted by raycarey

but the smaller, professional army has lost the war in iraq.

You're proof that the self-fulfilling prophecy concept is real. You've had that nonsense brainwashed and pounded into you're head for so long now you actually believe it to be true.

What happened to SK's post? He pretty much owned the topic with it.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to send every American kid through basic training?

i couldn't care less. better to waste dollars and cents than the children of 'poor' americans.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Guys like raycarey just want to sabotage the military any way they can, any time they can. They know that if you haven't served you're not a true citizen, but they're too self-centered to serve the country instead of themselves, so they'd rather try to pull the military down to their level.

so now, you're not a true citizen if you haven't served in the military. (this is where sk tries appear clever by posting, " there are other ways to 'serve').

again, for the reading comprehension impaired....the reason i and others want to bring back the draft is because we've had enough of the socio-economically disadvantaged having to fight wars of choice engineered by 'elites'.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

They know that if you haven't served you're not a true citizen, but they're too self-centered to serve the country instead of themselves...

Yeah, you've done really well, showing you're worthy and all that.
By contrast, RayCarey - why should he serve when he objects to almost anything the army does?

It's up to the loud-mouthed war-monger chickenhawks to show their true colours, which may well be those of cowards for all we know.

You have never been in any combat situations either, is this right, SK?