Thread: Are we all racist?

Originally Posted by risktohimself

The German, however, might not fancy the hunting...

The aboriginal may not fancy the engineering, either.
Which is excatly the point, abilitiy and motivation are cultural - nothing 'racial' about it.

I am not racist but if theres ever a shooting in london or petty theft hand bag snatch the offender mostly is black

London, oh yes, I am not a racist either, but the blacks are all pimps and dealers.

^ Yes the blacks are the most disgusting ones.
Directly followed by racists..

Originally Posted by breezer

I am not racist but if theres ever a shooting in london or petty theft hand bag snatch the offender mostly is black

I imagine you arrived at this conclusion because of information fed to you through the media. If the information is true, how can it be racist? Or at least, it's racist truth.

If the info is true, but is it?
If not, it's pure and simple racism.

it is unfortunate, but many people will live down to the expectations of others.

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

it is unfortunate, but many people will live down to the expectations of others.

Hmm...which came first?

The "living down" or the expectations of others?

Originally Posted by risktohimself

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

it is unfortunate, but many people will live down to the expectations of others.

Hmm...which came first?

The "living down" or the expectations of others?

Ah, the old genes vs. environment debate. In my not so expert opinion, I believe we are predisposed to certain behaviours before we leave the womb but our upbringing and collection of experiences have a greater shaping of our character than mere genetic impulses.

9 months ago my company gets a letter [ UK ] official.

before employing any immigrant you must check all paperwork is in order, and no excuse for forgeries.
if found guilty an unlimited fine can follow.

6 months ago we get a letter again official.
if we are found guilty of racism or exploiting immigrants { pay related ] when employing anyone,
we are open to an unlimited fine.

we do not employ immigrants at all now.

does this make me racist or just confused.

fu++ing government eh

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Ah, the old genes vs. environment debate. In my not so expert opinion, I believe we are predisposed to certain behaviours before we leave the womb but our upbringing and collection of experiences have a greater shaping of our character than mere genetic impulses.

So, how does this relate to 'racism'?
Do you mean to say them black folks may have the ability to overcome their murdurous, thieving genetic impulses?

My mother who brought me up to believe that all people were equal has recently begun to show racist tendencies against arabs and muslims.
I was horrified by some of the things she told me on our recent holiday.
she views them all as potential terrorist risks.
what a fuking world of bollux the Brits and Americans have created.

Originally Posted by risktohimself

Well, extracting a grown-up Aboriginal from his habitat and putting him down in Dortmund, would probably be about as successful as relocating a German engineer in the outback with a spear and asking him to go and catch something to eat.

MY apologies, let me clarify what I was trying to say. For example; you take a 1 month old aboriginal and a 1 month old german and put them with the same family and give them the same opportunities.... Thats what I meant.

Originally Posted by risktohimself

However, I just saw on the news the other day that comparisons between various ethnic groups of students in the UK showed that Asian (Pakistani/Bangladeshi) children were considerably behind other groups at school.

They are raised by their parents, many of which come from a very different cultural background than other ethnicities, lack English language skills and cannot support their children's learning the same way as others.
Racially thye are not different from Indians.

Originally Posted by risktohimself

Asian (Pakistani/Bangladeshi) children were considerably behind other groups at school.

One reason could be that these groups of people are poorer and the children may not have the same level of nutrition in their diets as the children they are being measured against.

I truly believe that genetics determine to a certain extent your ability to learn, in fact I think it is believed but unproven among scientists as well. When you see different ethnic types you can see plainly that there are physical differences and atributes, so why not intelligence, I think you would be a fool to deny that.

Originally Posted by cali kid

I think you would be a fool to deny that.

You can put me at the head of the line of fools then.

I totally disagree with your statement.

Originally Posted by Lily

One reason could be that these groups of people are poorer and the children may not have the same level of nutrition in their diets as the children they are being measured against.

You must be talking about the superior nutrition levels in the diets of the White British children as a result of their regular meals at McDonalds, KFC, Burger King and Pizza Hut. Those, washed down with a gallon of Coke or Pepsi and supplemented with a few chocolate bars would account for the difference in nutrition levels, you speak about, necessary to enhance their learning potential.

Originally Posted by cali kid

I truly believe that genetics determine to a certain extent your ability to learn, in fact I think it is believed but unproven among scientists as well. When you see different ethnic types you can see plainly that there are physical differences and atributes, so why not intelligence, I think you would be a fool to deny that.

As you say yourself, "unproven", and I am sure there are some scientists who believe this, as there are other people who believe so.
Yes, you can see physical differences between races, everything else is speculation.

Intelligence is an odd attribute in this respect, since there are no 'objective', absolute tests, it is measured within a social/environmental/cultural context.

Originally Posted by risktohimself

You must be talking about the superior nutrition levels in the diets of the White British children as a result of their regular meals at McDonalds, KFC, Burger King and Pizza Hut. Those, washed down with a gallon of Coke or Pepsi and supplemented with a few chocolate bars would account for the difference in nutrition levels, you speak about, necessary to enhance their learning potential.

I am sure that some British children have a diet like that, but they are probably not up with their peers either.

I know that that is the stereotype diet now, and I can't speak for Britain, but most Australian children do not exist on that diet, and I can't imagine that Britain is any different.

They may have it as a treat as weekends, but I don't know any families that feed their children like that as a whole diet.

No, they usually live on chip-butties and Mars-bars during the week.

Anyway, I don't see what is nutritionally inferior in Pakistani food to the average Brit diet - keep in mind homemade meals are different in quality and variety than your late-night take-away curries.

It wouldn't be your racism which leads you to assume Pakistanis cannot chose a balanced diet?

Originally Posted by stroller

No, they usually live on chip-butties and Mars-bars during the week. Anyway, I don't see what is nutritionally inferior in Pakistani food to the average Brit diet - keep in mind homemade meals are different in quality and variety than your late-night take-away curries. It wouldn't be your racism which leads you to assume Pakistanis cannot chose a balanced diet?

Are you speaking to me?

Not because they cant choose a nutritional diet, but because they are more likely to be poor.

For Christ's sake, it was in defence of the report quoted that Pakistani and Bangladeshi children were behind others at school.

If you are going to call me a racist, you can, but read the whole thread before making a judgement on me!

And aren't you being just as racist by inferring that British mothers don't know how to feed their children.

HOw many British children have you had the responsibility of feeding?

...just pulling your leg. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Lily

They may have it as a treat as weekends, but I don't know any families that feed their children like that as a whole diet.

I know some Korean families that do. Seriously.