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    Are the Jews Responsible?

    Did Mel Gibson’s comments, while drinking, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," have an element of truth within them? Have the Jews been responsible for many of the wars in the world?

    "Vin Veneto Veritas" -- "with wine comes truth" Did Gibson speak the truth and what many think but don't express?

    Is the current war in Iraq, [at least in part - did the Mossad help in the planning and execution of the WTC Demolition? which led to war in Iraq and Afghanitstan] caused by Israel controlling US policy and thus US actions? Will the fear Israel has of Iran led to war?

    Didn't the Jews get Britain to promise [the Balfour Declaration] the Jews Palestine in return for getting the US into WWI? Didn't the impossible burden placed upon Germany post-WWI lead to WWII?

    Wasn't sticking a Jewish nation in the center of the Arab world in land belonging to other Arabs create problem after problem for the rest of the world?

    Isn't the fundamental Christians', who are Bush's core support [perhaps his only support] belief that the Jews are 'God's Chosen People' driving foreign policy?

    ‘My No. 1 priority in foreign policy is to protect Israel.’ Dick Armey, Christian Zionist

    "There are a lot of guys at the working level up here’ [on Capitol Hill] ‘who happen to be Jewish, who are willing . . . to look at certain issues in terms of their Jewishness . . . These are all guys who are in a position to make the decision in these areas for those senators . . . You can get an awful lot done just at the staff level.’ Morris Amitay, a former head of AIPAC

    Does the most powerful lobby in the US have too much influence on US foreign policy and the president, the indiviudal senators and the representatives of the American citizens?

    Do the Jews cause most of the war in the world?

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    U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact


    Summary

    Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
    Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)


    Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
    $74,157,600,000

    Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
    $9,047,227,200

    Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
    $1,650,000,000

    Grand Total
    $84,854,827,200

    Total Benefits per Israeli
    $14,630

    THE STRATEGIC FUNCTIONS OF U.S. AID TO ISRAEL

    By Stephen Zunes
    Dr. Zunes is an assistant professor in the Department of Politics at the University of San Francisco

    Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.


    In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years.


    Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes.



    Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

    WRMEA: U.S. Aid to Israel
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    no, it's not the jews or any other ethnic group, but capitalism with it's constant drive for profit is responsible for all wars in the modern world.

    countries and governments do fight over control over natural resourses, markets as well as strategic and communication routes by sending workers to fight and die in the interest of the local ruling class.
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    capitalism with it's constant drive for profit is responsible for all wars in the modern world.
    What did 'capitalism and profit drive' have tod do with Israel attacking the Palestinians last month? Captialism and profit is what's keeping China is line now isn't it?

    You've made a statement with no supporting facts.

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    israel, palestine, china, usa, north & south korea - all coutries fighting with each other sending brainwashed religiously or nationalisticly workers-cum-soldiers as a cannon fodder.

    a few weeks back there was aggression of the israeli state against the libanes state.

    I do not deny facts and data - however my underatanding of how the capitalist system works is different than yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerux View Post
    1 Did Mel Gibson’s comments, while drinking, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," have an element of truth within them? 2 Have the Jews been responsible for many of the wars in the world?

    "Vin Veneto Veritas" -- "with wine comes truth" 3 Did Gibson speak the truth and what many think but don't express?

    4 Is the current war in Iraq, [at least in part - 5 did the Mossad help in the planning and execution of the WTC Demolition? which led to war in Iraq and Afghanitstan] caused by Israel controlling US policy and thus US actions? 6 Will the fear Israel has of Iran led to war?

    7 Didn't the Jews get Britain to promise [the Balfour Declaration] the Jews Palestine in return for getting the US into WWI? 8 Didn't the impossible burden placed upon Germany post-WWI lead to WWII?

    9 Wasn't sticking a Jewish nation in the center of the Arab world in land belonging to other Arabs create problem after problem for the rest of the world?

    10 Isn't the fundamental Christians', who are Bush's core support [perhaps his only support] belief that the Jews are 'God's Chosen People' driving foreign policy?

    ‘My No. 1 priority in foreign policy is to protect Israel.’ Dick Armey, Christian Zionist

    "There are a lot of guys at the working level up here’ [on Capitol Hill] ‘who happen to be Jewish, who are willing . . . to look at certain issues in terms of their Jewishness . . . These are all guys who are in a position to make the decision in these areas for those senators . . . You can get an awful lot done just at the staff level.’ Morris Amitay, a former head of AIPAC

    11 Does the most powerful lobby in the US have too much influence on US foreign policy and the president, the indiviudal senators and the representatives of the American citizens?

    12 Do the Jews cause most of the war in the world?
    You ask a lot of questions - 12 in your first post. I'll ask you one: Is that little dot under your post count ever going to turn green?

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    however my underatanding of how the capitalist system works is different than yours
    How do you know, I haven't told you how I think the capitalist system works?

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    I'll ask you one: Is that little dot under your post count ever going to turn green?
    Don't even know what that 'little dot' stands for, neither do I care.

    Why do you care?

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    I disagree with your title. The Jews are not responsible, but modern Israel is.

    The Jews are not slaughtering Palestinians, Israel is. You can't throw all jews in the same pot as the Israeli murderers.

    Once more, you are misleading the issue here. It's not a jewish issue per se.

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    And 'modern Israel' is populated by .........Italian catholics. Saudi Muslims? Hindus?

    And it's the modern state of Israel that controls Hollywood and the media and the financial center of the United States, New York?

    Yeah, right buttleech.

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    Note that no racist comments will be tolerated - the title and various remarks are borderline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    The Jews are not responsible, but modern Israel is. The Jews are not slaughtering Palestinians, Israel is. You can't throw all jews in the same pot as the Israeli murderers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    Note that no racist comments will be tolerated - the title and various remarks are borderline.
    This definitely qualifies as a racist topic. If you go to Stormfront (a white supremacist forum - full of 911 conspiracists, Bush and Jew haters incidently), this is the kind of topics you will get.

    Maybe he should rename the title "Israelis" to make any sense.

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    I would urge caution here. While we live in a free world, (our world is free enough that we can talk here) there are some issues that are most emotive. Being anti-Jew is wrong. Full stop. As it is equally wrong to be anti any race of people. Anti-Israel is valid and maybe where this should more correctly focus. Mosad is not an agent of Jewish people, it is an agent of the state of Israel.
    Anyone who reads the posts i stick on here would assume me to be anti american. I am not. But I am strongly anti American policy. Not anti people in any way but anti the state system that exists there.
    A valid point has been raised and let's not shirk from talking about it. But let's stay focused. Never speak of a race when it's the state we should be speaking of.

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    asked if the Oscar-winner might have issued racial slurs if the arresting officer had been black, Mel could only laugh again.

    "Who knows? I'd have to get loaded again and tell you and then be in those conditions again, because it's unpredictable what's going to come flying out."

    ahhhh.....true!

    Rod Bernsen… who was arrested Saturday on charges of molesting young boys aboard a cruise ship, is a close and longstanding friend of [Mel Gibson]… Bernsen frequently accompanies Gibson on benders around Malibu—or at least used to, before Gibson entered rehab in August following his drunk-driving and Jew-baiting debacle.
    Of course Mel Gibson’s best bud is a pedophile! What goes better with Jew-hating racism than being a sex offender? They’re like peas and carrots! I bet the best man at Mel’s wedding was a fecophiliac or maybe liked having sex with animals and the dead or something. Good times. Those crazy bastards probably have some great drinking stories for you, too. Provided that Third Reich poop fetishists who like to fuck corpses and molest little kids don’t repulse you, of course.....


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    Short answer. No - the Jews are not responsible.


    The Jews do not really "control" the media. If they did, we would not hear so much about the plight of the Palestinians as we do.

    It is true though, that people of Jewish descent have a proportionately much larger influence in top positions in different spheres than many other ethnic groups. It has also been noted that this group of Jews are the group idenfitified as Ashkenazim Jews. As a group, they sport above average results on IQ tests as well. So it seems that there is a group among Jews that has a higher average IQ than the global average, and the cause of this is not yet determined, although racists claim genetic differences.

    The state of Israel in cahoots with the US are involved in many wars, and can undoubtedly be said to have caused a few. But just like Butterfly says above, the state of Israel, and "Jews" as a group, are different entities. While the state of Israel is made up largely of ethnic Jews, not all those Jews support the actions of their state, and if you look at Jews worldwide, even fewer support all of Israel's actions.

    There are several major anti-Israel thinkers who are themselves of Jewish descent, Noam Chomsky for example.

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    Nice to see bigotry is alive and well.

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    Note that no racist comments will be tolerated - the title and various remarks are borderline.
    Well, lets get thise settled right here and now: What is racist about asking if the Jews are responsible for starting most of the wars in the world?

    And if no racist commments are going to be tolerated, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DELETE SEVERAL HUNDRED COMMENTS ABOUT MUSLIMS, BECAUSE THEY ARE FAIR GAME ON THIS FORUM. [Not to mention Christians]. And thanks for making my point, Jews have unusual control over everything. Not a word is said when Muslims get slammed, [r Christians], but mention the JEWS and up go the swords to defend the JEWS.

    The Jews do not really "control" the media.
    Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment". It is subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are from the Aug 1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So What?":

    "It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most influential production executives at each of the major movie studios will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."


    "The famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt Disney, a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semitic attitudes, now features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most powerful positions."


    The head of Walt Disney studios is now the Jew Michael Eisner.


    On studios that were bought out by the Japanese the magazine says:

    "When Mitsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to undermine the unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and all Jewish - management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and Tom Pollack."

    Here are some quotes from the paper "Jews Control the Media and Rule America"

    "American Broadcasting Companies (ABC), Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS), and National Broadcasting Company (NBC). Each of these three has been under the absolute control of a single man over a long enough period of time-ranging from 32 to 55 years-for him to staff the corporation at every level with officers of his choosing and then to place his imprint indelibly upon it. In each case that man has been a Jew.


    "Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities Communications, Inc...the chairman of the board of directors and chief executive officer (CEO) of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a Jew...In an interview in the April 1, 1985 issue of Newsweek, Goldenson boasted 'I built this company (ABC) from scratch.'"


    "CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more than half a century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia..." "There has been no move by top G-E management to change the Jewish "profile" of NBC or to replace key Jewish personnel. To the contrary, new Jewish executives have been added: an example is Steve Friedman..."


    "The man in charge of the television entertainment division at CBS is Jeff Sagansky.

    At ABC the entertainment division is run by two men....nearly all of the men who shape young American's concept of reality, of good and evil, of permissible and impermissible behavior are Jews. In particular, Sagansky and Bloomberg are Jews. So is Tartikoff. Littlefield is the only Gentile who has had a significant role in TV entertainment programming in recent years."


    "American Film magazine listed the top 10...entertainment companies and their CEOs...Time Warner Communications (Steven J Ross, Jew) Walt Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner, Jew)...

    Of the 10 top entertainment CEOs listed above, eight are Jews."

    "The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than a lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers; it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all organs of opinion... The Newhouse's own 31 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation's largest trade book publishing conglomerate, Random House, with all its subsidiaries; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the countries largest cable networks-the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, Home&Garden...."


    "Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising..."


    "The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three...are the newspapers which set trends and guidelines for nearly all others. They are the ones which decide what is news and what isn't, at national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands...

    The Suzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co. 36 other newspapers; twelve magazines, including McCall's and Family Circle..."

    "New York's other newspapers are in no better hands than the Daily News. The New York Post is owned by billionaire Jewish real-estate developer Peter Kalikow. The Village Voice is the personal property of Leonard Stern

    "There are only three newsmagazines of any note published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report....


    The CEO of Time Warner Communications is Steven J. Ross, and he is a Jew.


    "Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Co., under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham..."

    "U.S. News & World Report... owned and published by Jewish real estate developer Mortimer B. Zucherman..."

    " The three largest book publishers...Random House... Simon & Schuster , and Time Inc. Book Co....All three are owned or controlled by Jews...

    The CEO of Simon & Schuster is Richard Snyder, and the president is Jeremy Kaplan; both are Jews too."

    "Western Publishing...ranks first among publishers of childrens books, with more than 50 per cent of the market. Its chairman and CEO is Richard Bernstein, a Jew." "Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce..."

    "We are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children..."
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    Are Rupert Murdoch, Silvio Berlusconi and Thaksin Shinawatra Jews?

    The world is a big place and news reports differ somewhat between different countries.

    Do you see lots of people converting to Judaism or supporting Zionism or Israeli actions in the Middle East as a result of this perceived 'Jewish dominance'? Perhaps in the US, I have to admit I am not an expert on the power structure in the US media.

    Before you cry Moses alert, please note that I personally am as Jewish as a bottle of Koskenkorva and a good bum smacking with a whisk of birch twigs in a woodfire sauna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    I disagree with your title. The Jews are not responsible, but modern Israel is.

    The Jews are not slaughtering Palestinians, Israel is. You can't throw all jews in the same pot as the Israeli murderers.

    Once more, you are misleading the issue here. It's not a jewish issue per se.
    Well, let's take a closer look at your statement:

    ..but modern Israel is."

    I asked about the Jews getting the US into WWI.

    How could 'modern Israel' have gotten the US into WWI?

    "The Jews are not slaughtering Palestinians, Israel is."

    Oh, so some abstract entity - Israel 'or modern Israel' - is slaughtering Palestinians, not Jews?

    What race of people are in the Israeli military that is slaughtering Palestinians? Italians? Germans? Japanese?

    You can't throw all jews in the same pot as the Israeli murderers.
    That's a strawman, and I'm not. But there is a big uproar over the less radical Muslims not condemning the Muslims terrorists. But where is the call for the 'out of the pot' Jews to condemn the 'modern Israel'?

    That's not a double standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itchy View Post
    Nice to see bigotry is alive and well.
    How is asking a question bigotry?

    bigotry
    noun
    1. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion: intolerance, prejudice. Seelike/dislike.
    There are several bigots [against Christians and Muslims] on this forum and no one makes a peep.

    Mention Jews, and several are up in arms.

    I find that interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    Of course Mel Gibson’s best bud is a pedophile! What goes better with Jew-hating racism than being a sex offender? They’re like peas and carrots! I bet the best man at Mel’s wedding was a fecophiliac or maybe liked having sex with animals and the dead or something. Good times. Those crazy bastards probably have some great drinking stories for you, too. Provided that Third Reich poop fetishists who like to fuck corpses and molest little kids don’t repulse you, of course.....
    Go on, say what you think, don't hold back.

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    If the entire US military were composed of African Americans, then yes, we could "blame "Africans" as a group for the US' military actions."

    I think it is safe to say that at least 99.9% of those fighting for 'modern Israel,' not to mention those in charge, are indeed Jewish, wouldn't you agree?

    Also, I think it's safe to say that the Jews are some of the most racist people in the world today.

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    The Palestinian rebellion has been a long time coming. Over three decades of occupation is but one dimension of their tragedy. Driven from their original homes, villages and land by sustained atrocities, condemned to miserable camps, dispersed in a far-flung Diaspora, subjected to massacres like the Sabra and Shatila slaughter of over 2000 refugees, and unending persecution.


    The suffering in the West Bank and Gaza is the continuation of the colonisation of all of Palestine. Zionist militias seized 75% of the land and drove out 800 000 Palestinians through a series of massacres between the partition of Palestine in 1947 and the formation of Israel. With the declaration of the state of Israel, 385 out of 475 Palestinian cities, towns and villages were razed to the ground, disappearing from the map. The 90 remaining were denuded of land, confiscated without compensation.


    We acknowledge the theft of the land and realise how today the Jewish National Fund, a member of the World Zionist Organisation, administers 93% of the land of Israel. To live on land, lease it, sharecrop or work on it, one must establish four generations of maternal Jewish descent. In Israel, such a lineage is necessary in order to enjoy elementary rights. We cannot mistake the quintessentially racist character of such a state. Israel is an apartheid state, founded on pillage and predicated on exclusivity. Rights flow from ethnic and religious identity.


    We, South Africans who have lived through apartheid cannot be silent as another entire people are treated as non-human beings; people without rights or human dignity and facing daily humiliation. We cannot permit a ruthless state to use military jets, helicopter gun- ships and tanks on civilians. We cannot accept state assassinations of activists, the torture of political prisoners, the murder of children and collective punishment."


    http://aztlan.net/apart.htm
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    I take it you don't like Jews then Kerux... have you got a solution?

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