Are the Jews Responsible?

**Butterfly** · 24-10-2006, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

I'm waiting for an answer to a reasonable question is all before I reply.

Ok but I didn't ask that question, so answer mine please or does this mean we have to stop feeding the thread until you see it fit to answer it ?

**stroller** · 24-10-2006, 09:40 AM

Has it ever made the slightest difference to you when I answered your questions?

And make an effort to apply the cognitive skills you may have before responding:

most 20th century presidents and prime ministers, including Hitler, were Christian, too.

You mean, Clinton? Was Clinton a Christian?

...I said most.

**Storekeeper** · 24-10-2006, 09:44 AM

Wasn't Clinton a Christian ? I thought he was Methodist or Lutheran?

What President have we had who wasn't a Christian ? Even Catholics are Christians, aren't they ?

Hell, the USA is a nation, "Under God" anyway.

**ceburat** · 24-10-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

Originally Posted by RDN

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

... At first you actually had me believe you were a genuine Christian fundamentalist. Now I know you are a troll (unemployed TEFLr on dope perhaps)...

Why isn't this post deleted? It has nothing to do with the topic, is inflammatory and offensive.

It sounds like truth to me.

**ceburat** · 24-10-2006, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by kerux

And please keep in mind Roman Catholicism is not Christian, it's Roman Catholicism. It has imitated and assimilated the appearances of some Christian practices and the nomenclature, but is not Christian no more than Mormonism is.

Decided by whom ?
Again you are showing a typical holier-than-you behaviour that we so often see from religious people.

Christianity is a monotheistic religion centered on Jesus of Nazareth, and on his life and teachings as presented in the New Testament.

Most christian religions/churches bear no resemblence to the RCC. The Roman Catholic Church is as different as black and white.

**Butterfly** · 24-10-2006, 09:55 AM

There are a number of Christian sects in the US, hundreds of church claiming to be the "real" Jesus church. In reality they are all frauds. Those sects didn't exist before the US was created.

The only Christian Church is the Roman Catholic

**kerux** · 24-10-2006, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Has it ever made the slightest difference to you when I answered your questions?

And make an effort to apply the cognitive skills you may have before responding:

most 20th century presidents and prime ministers, including Hitler, were Christian, too.

You mean, Clinton? Was Clinton a Christian?

...I said most.

Please, as a mod, refrain using derrogatory comments. That's beneath a mod.

Most 20th Century president's definitely were NOT Christians. The only one that I'm aware of that most likely was was Carter.

**kerux** · 24-10-2006, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

There are a number of Christian sects in the US, hundreds of church claiming to be the "real" Jesus church. In reality they are all frauds. Those sects didn't exist before the US was created.

The only Christian Church is the Roman Catholic

The RCC is no more Christian than is Hustler Magazine.

**Storekeeper** · 24-10-2006, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

It is people who believe in the bible, just like yourself, who start wars.

Nice intelligent catch all statement.

**kerux** · 24-10-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by kerux

I'm waiting for an answer to a reasonable question is all before I reply.

Ok but I didn't ask that question, so answer mine please or does this mean we have to stop feeding the thread until you see it fit to answer it ?

Am I now required to answer every question?

I have no problem answering any question, but I'm busy at the moment and don't have time for a lengthy answer.

And I don't like the fact that babystroller has threatened this thread with a shut down before he's answered a few questions. Why not bug him for an anwer and an explanation of what he thinks anti-semitsim and racism is foirt? Stroller likes to give his opinion w/o nothing to back it up. He also acts like a decider, "I'm the Decider, I decide," with little to support his actions other than a "I'm the dad' attitude.

I'm being very careful until he clarifies himself.

**Butterfly** · 24-10-2006, 10:00 AM

still dodging the other question ? ok let's make it easy.

Assuming that the denial is not anti-semitism, did it actually happen ? or is it another conspiracy ? what about those numbers if it happened ? isn't 6 millions a bit much ? even feasible ?

**stroller** · 24-10-2006, 10:01 AM

Ahemm, after this diversion, can we get back on topic, please?

**Butterfly** · 24-10-2006, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

I have no problem answering any question, but I'm busy at the moment and don't have time for a lengthy answer.

That never stopped you before from posting hundreds of silly quotes from the Bible with links to nutty religious sites

**kerux** · 24-10-2006, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Ahemm, after this diversion, can we get back on topic, please?

Please define anti-semitism and racism for us moderator.

**Storekeeper** · 24-10-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

Most 20th Century president's definitely were NOT Christians. The only one that I'm aware of that most likely was was Carter.

What make one a Christian in your mind ? Ford was just as much of a Christian in my book as Carter.

**ceburat** · 24-10-2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

In fact the Roman Catholic church is the original church. They are the ones that chose which gospels would make the bible. So, the book you rever is a Roman Catholic creation.

However, the KJV does not include all of the books of the bible that the RC Church uses. The KJV is the Bible used by non-catholic christians. The Catholic Bible contains more books, I think 4 more.

Also, at the time that RCC was created/started, there were also other churches, protestant. The Catholic Church did not start out as the only church and then all others broke away. That is RCC nonesense. That is what the RCC would have you believe. True most of the protestant church meetings and doings were under cover since they did not have the protection given the RCC.

The statement "In fact the Roman Catholic church is the original church." is totally incorrect and mis-leading. The book of Acts clearly outlines how the early church worshiped. What gospel they preached. What the early church believed. There is no comparision of the Catholic Church and the Early Church of the Bible.

**ceburat** · 24-10-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The Roman Catholic church is the church of St. Peter whom Jesus I believe entrusted him to spread the word.
The Roman Catholic church is the original church. This is a historical fact. It was there before the bible as we know it existed.

Correct, Jesus gave the keys to Peter and said on this rock (meaning Peter) I will build my church. If you read the book of Acts on how and what Peter did and preached you will see that some historical "facts" as recorded in history are not exactly correct. Peter started the Church before the Bible was written and before the RCC was created.

**Whiteshiva** · 24-10-2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Note that no racist comments will be tolerated - the title and various remarks are borderline.

While I applaud this comment from the moderator, I wonder if a thread labelled "are the Arabs responsible?" would have received the same warning.

Not a criticism of the moderators per se, just of the hypocrisy that perpetuates any discussion of the problems in the Middle-east. Question Israeli actions, and you get called an anti-Semite, defend Arabs, and you get labelled a terrorist-sympathiser.

**Butterfly** · 24-10-2006, 10:54 AM

cerubat, prove us that you are a real compassionate Christian, and I will remove that comment. My point was to show that even Religious frauds exist, even in this forum.

**stroller** · 24-10-2006, 11:18 AM

^
Oops, I just deleted it and forgot to pm you, B'fly.
You have the liberty to doubt Ceburats believes (maybe find out what they are first?), but no personal 'sniper-shots', please.

**RandomChances** · 24-10-2006, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

In fact the Roman Catholic church is the original church. They are the ones that chose which gospels would make the bible. So, the book you rever is a Roman Catholic creation.

However, the KJV does not include all of the books of the bible that the RC Church uses. The KJV is the Bible used by non-catholic christians. The Catholic Bible contains more books, I think 4 more.

Also, at the time that RCC was created/started, there were also other churches, protestant. The Catholic Church did not start out as the only church and then all others broke away. That is RCC nonesense. That is what the RCC would have you believe. True most of the protestant church meetings and doings were under cover since they did not have the protection given the RCC.

The statement "In fact the Roman Catholic church is the original church." is totally incorrect and mis-leading. The book of Acts clearly outlines how the early church worshiped. What gospel they preached. What the early church believed. There is no comparision of the Catholic Church and the Early Church of the Bible.

Protestantisum is generaly accepted to have started during the reformation in the 1500's. Heres a diagram from Wiki

It's useful as a guide but as it goes on historical rather than religious text's many devout christians (of whatever denomination) will not accept it, relying on religous documents of their chosen denomination as a matter of faith.

Personaly I dont really agree with much of it either. I'd put the beginings of the Eastern Orthodox Church with the Council of Nicaea around 300 some time making it one of the earliset forms of christianity still practiced today. The RCC as we know it today can probably be dated from The Great Schisum around 1000, it was basicaly caused by a power struggle between the Patriarchs in constantinople and the bishop of Rome.

**Hootad Binky** · 24-10-2006, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by kerux

I'm waiting for an answer to a reasonable question is all before I reply.

Ok but I didn't ask that question, so answer mine please or does this mean we have to stop feeding the thread until you see it fit to answer it ?

Am I now required to answer every question?

I have no problem answering any question, but I'm busy at the moment and don't have time for a lengthy answer.

Just got back. O.k.! I'll answer your question.

As you know, Holocaust-Deniers, the famous ones anyway, are notorious Anti-Semites, which can easily be proven by simply compiling a series of quotes attributed to them, which is very easy indeed to do.

So, anyway Kerux, do you believe the Holocaust is a hoax?

BTW, if I'm not mistaken, Kerux don't you believe the RCC is not Christian because it is based on the belief in a reward in the afterlife whereas "real" Christianity sees worship of Christ in this life itself as reward enough, that one should not presume to expect such things from God, in fact these expectations define the unworthy things "religions" are?

However, I think they're both based on a cocomitant fear of getting one's ass burned in Hell.

**Storekeeper** · 24-10-2006, 01:50 PM

I know this won't make sense to any of you but I have to say it anyway .... just to get it off my chest:

"Fukc the holy rollers ...Fukc the neo-left wing liberals too

Leave me the fuck alone and I won't kick yer ass fool."

**ceburat** · 24-10-2006, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

cerubat, prove us that you are a real compassionate Christian, and I will remove that comment. My point was to show that even Religious frauds exist, even in this forum.

Butterfly, prove to us that you are not a real scum bag piece of the well known, and then I will think better of you. Do you get the point? All of this b.s. has nothing to do with the thread, only your hate for christians.

**stroller** · 24-10-2006, 06:37 PM

Ahem, I deleted a couple of B'fly's posts already, cool it down please, you two.

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