Evolution vs Bible

**Kidneystone** · 24-10-2006, 06:35 AM

Kerux, was this not the same poll you put up over the other place? You know the poll that put you firmly in the demographic of high school dropout!

And yes you are fully correct a car is an object that has been intelligently designed, but as was pointed out to you when you used this metaphor before its a strawman argument as evolution purtains to living creatures and a car (even when it sometimes seems to have a life of its own) is a construct and not living.

Get IT? nah you will never get it, because you are a high school dropout!

**kerux** · 24-10-2006, 06:46 AM

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Good post, Kerux. Pertinent, well-argued, and well-referenced!

*****who are you - his cheer-squad?

Anyone less than legally blind should be able to see the mutual reach around crowd herein are continually reciprocally stroking each other. Why do you comment on the rare instance when someone actually points out the "Pertinent, well-argued, and well-referenced" post? Is it because there are so few "Pertinent, well-argued, and well-referenced posts, or is it because someone so rarely publically supports yours truly?

**Kidneystone** · 24-10-2006, 06:56 AM

From you Kerux very, very few!!!! well debated points that is,

**kingwilly** · 24-10-2006, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

According to Newsweek in 1987, "By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..." That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms at about 0.14% 5

and where did these fundies get there credentials??

one of two places;

1. a resepectable university - and quite a few of these fundies have geological degrees and have written a thesis, accepting that the world is hundreds of millions of years old. (so they understand geology but choose to decieve the public with their fundie expanations.

2. a mickey mouse institution that promotes creationism. (And BTW the lastest educational buzzword - brain-based learning is the same sort of pseudo-science rubbish, however, they have their own institute that issues 'degrees' in this tripe.)

BELIEFS OF THE U.S. PUBLIC ABOUT EVOLUTION

But the evoltuionary view among the public is in the minority.

BUT you, yourself already told us earlier in the thread that being in the minority does not been being wrong!!!!!!

The 'scientists' with a vested interest and the most to lose among them a lose of face for for having to admit they've been wrong for so long. They would also have to throw away all those books they wrote and are used in college courses.
The 'scientists' are going to be the last to admit they're wrong.

Au contaire, This happens all the time - all scientific ideas are subjected to peer review and public debate - those that do not stand the test of time are discarded.

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**kingwilly** · 24-10-2006, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

Anyone less than legally blind should be able to see the mutual reach around crowd herein are continually reciprocally stroking each other. Why do you comment on the rare instance when someone actually points out the "Pertinent, well-argued, and well-referenced" post?

bollocks - most of us here have been patientially trying to argue with your circular arguemental nonsense rather than just posting tripe for the sake of it.

**kerux** · 24-10-2006, 07:39 AM

and where did these fundies get there credentials??

These links refutes your lies and have been posted previously:

Scientists in the Physical Sciences - Institute for Creation Research

Scientists in the Biological Sciences - Institute for Creation Research

Some of the universities that the 'fundies' have graduated from are

"a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of California (Berkeley)."

"He has a B.S. in Biology/Chemistry with honors from Tufts University, a Masters in Biology from Harvard, and the Ph.D. in Biology with a major in Ecology and a minor in Biochemistry from Harvard University. "

"He has a B.S. in Biochemistry from Michigan State University and a Ph.D. in Neuroscience from Case Western Reserve University, School of Medicine."

"He has a B.A. in Biology from Western State College in Colorado and an M.A. in Zoology from the University of Northern Colorado. Frank's specialty is parasitology. He discovered a new species of parasite, a nematode of the family Acuariidae."

"He has a B.S. in Biology (highest honors) from Liberty University, a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Virginia, and a Post-Doctoral Research Fellowship in Genomics from Clemson University. He served as Research Assistant Professor and Director of Bioinformatics from the year 1999 to 2000 and Adjunct Professor, Departments of Crop & Soil Sciences and Genetics from the year 2000 to 2001 at the Clemson University Genomics Institute."

"He has a B.A. in Zoology (Magna Cum Laude) from San Diego State University, and a M.D. from UCLA. Dr. Franks has practiced medicine (general practice) for over forty years in San Diego."

The list goes on and on.

kingwithlittlewilly, you obviously have a problem with reality.

Get over it.

BUT you, yourself already told us earlier in the thread that being in the minority does not been being wrong!!!!!!

."...does not been being wrong!!!!!!"

The creationists are in the minority dodo. And yes, I did say that being in the minority doesn't necessarily make one wrong. I didn't say "does not been being wrong!!!!!!"

diaw · 28-10-2006, 09:47 PM

I'd like to introduce a fantastic video I discovered on the internet today.

A Question of Origins

This may help to give many of the answers that Kerux could not provide... Let the movie speak for itself, I'll not pursue any discussions - it is all pretty well laid out.

diaw...

**raycarey** · 28-10-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by diaw

Let the movie speak for itself, I'll not pursue any discussions

odds?

**RDN** · 28-10-2006, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by diaw

I'd like to introduce a fantastic video I discovered on the internet today.

A Question of Origins

This may help to give many of the answers that Kerux could not provide... Let the movie speak for itself, I'll not pursue any discussions - it is all pretty well laid out.

diaw...

I started to watch it but gave up after about 10 minutes when they started talking about explosions: "I've never seen an explosion create order. Therefore the big bang didn't happen" plus other gems.

Total nonsense. In fact, a type of argument very similar to that put forward by one of our members.

**Whipperwill** · 29-10-2006, 02:38 AM

The Big Bang is not in any doubt.

Two American cosmologists will take home the 2006 Nobel prize in physics, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences announced Tuesday. George Smoot of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in Berkeley, California, and John Mather of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, will split the $1.4 million prize.
Both scientists were instrumental in the success of NASA's Cosmic Background Explorer. Launched in 1989 after a decade of development, the satellite was the first to detect faint temperature variations in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), the remnant radiation representing the first light able to move freely through the universe after the Big Bang. "I think of it as the accumulated trace of everything," says Mather, who is now a senior scientist for NASA's James Webb Space Telescope.
COBE's all-sky map of these temperature variations has been called astronomers' first "baby picture" of our universe. "It's like looking at an embryo that's a few hours old," says Smoot. It was, he says, the first bold step in our understanding how our universe came to be. The variations, or anisotropies, represent slight fluctuations that gave rise to clusters of galaxies and occur as one-part-in-100,000 changes in the CMB. If COBE hadn't found them at this level, Smoot says, "We'd have to have a whole new model of how the universe was put together — which was always possible, but did not turn out to be the case."
In January 1990, when the COBE team presented its measurement of the universe's average temperature at an American Astronomical Society meeting, the match between theory and data was so good, the assembled scientists audibly gasped. The data points fell perfectly in line with a theoretical thermal spectrum called a blackbody.
The match "says that the radiation really did come from the Big Bang," Mather explains. "There really is not a good alternative explanation for having such a perfect blackbody spectrum."
"It's just a magnificent verification of the Big Bang," Lawrence Krauss at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland told the Associated Press.
COBE was slated to be launched by the space shuttle, but the 1986 Challenger disaster kept it grounded. "We not only had to wait to get into space, we actually had to improve," says Smoot, who during the delay lobbied NASA for additional funds to make the satellite's instruments more sensitive.
In addition to detecting miniscule CMB temperature differences, COBE had to do so against the roaring emission from our galaxy and others. The scientists also had to compensate for the Doppler shift caused by Earth's motion around the Sun, the Sun's orbit through the Milky Way, and the Milky Way's drift within the local cluster of galaxies.
The groundbreaking effort paved the way for still-more-precise measurements taken with NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), which determined the CMB was emitted 380,000 years after the Big Bang. It also pegged the universe's age at 13.7 billion years. The European Space Agency's Planck mission, set to launch next year, is expected to sharpen scientists' view of the CMB still further.
"One of the continuing investigations is to get the polarization of this radiation," Mather says. WMAP has already measured polarization changes that occurred after the CMB, when the first stars formed. "Much more is thought to be lurking there in the radiation if we could measure even better."

Astronomy - U.S. cosmologists win Nobel Prize - Francis Reddy

**keeshouAhDoGe** · 29-10-2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

You mean brainwashed into believing w/o considering any alternatives.

You don't "learn' anything in Intelligent Design, you simply accept.

The proof is that it is too difficult to figure out.

This isn't proof, just the lack of knowledge.

**danbo** · 02-11-2006, 02:51 AM

Not strictly related to Evolution v Bible, but an interesting article from Richard Dawkins in The Times. The reader comments that follow are also interesting.

Why there is no God - Comment - Times Online

RIght, that's it - Iu'm outa here....

**benbaaa** · 02-11-2006, 08:14 AM

Danbo, I thought you were banned from Issues for being too silly.

**Butterfly** · 02-11-2006, 08:24 AM

What happened to Kerux ? took his marbles and went back to his mum ?

**danbo** · 02-11-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Danbo, I thought you were banned from Issues for being too silly.

Every time I post in here I feel as though I have farted in a church.

**lom** · 02-11-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by danbo

Every time I post in here I feel as though I have farted in a church.

Oh my God, that is a good feeling.

**RDN** · 02-11-2006, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by danbo

Every time I post in here I feel as though I have farted in a church.

Oh my God, that is a good feeling.

- but only if "silent but deadly".

**barbaro** · 06-02-2014, 07:05 PM

I'll put this here. Bill Nye the Science guy vs. Creationist Ken Ham

**Eliminator** · 06-02-2014, 08:37 PM

FUCK the bible, koran or any other written topic on ANY religion, all of them are only used to control the masses, NOTHING more NOTHING less. ALL religion is nothing but TOTAL bullshit.

**wasabi** · 07-02-2014, 01:34 AM

It is total bullshit but is a very lucrative business,folks buy into it.
The last stay in Thailand really opened My eyes as to how big an Industry is the Temple and beliefs coming out of it.
It is so much like the Catholic church,money given at every turn.
The more wealthier a Thai becomes the more money they give to the money tree,because they believe that Buhdda has rewarded them,and made them lucky.
Catholics donate money to the church,and the wealthier build churches.

**Pound Hound** · 07-02-2014, 08:02 AM

"I was child I was told to believe in god, believe in jesus, believe in the president, believe in the United States of America. As I grew older people said believe in Buddha, believe in Krishna, believe in I-Ching, believe in the Indian religion. They asked me to believe in everything but myself. Let me tell you this people if you don't believe in yourself you don't have shit to believe in!" - Doug Pinnick epic live rant

religion may help some people... but its all bulllshit... believe in yourself...

**BaitongBoy** · 07-02-2014, 08:31 AM

^And the Buddhist said to the hot dog vendor: "Make me one with everything"...

**billy the kid** · 07-02-2014, 05:42 PM

BBC news reports today that children who haven't read bible stories
Are Ignorant.

Pound Hound ,, that was a very good post.

But when we look at 'SELF' around the world
it's difficult to believe in even that.
the loneliness, misery, without love,the nastiness,the self-ish greedy bastards.
If one really falls in love 'self' kinda disappears.

**Pound Hound** · 07-02-2014, 11:05 PM

^^^

but until you believe in yourself, you are pissing in the wind. Without self love how can you truly love others? I am taking about the ability to support your own emotional being. Pushing yourself to do the right things, make better decisions, not depending on external forces and ideas to make you complete.

religion in its purest form is fine, the belief in something that helps give you an order, a way of thinking and how you respond to things in your personal life. But large scale organized religion is bullshit and is there to manipulate people to do their bidding and of course hand over your money... Not to mention somehow in the last 30 years they have turned political and convinced people that Christians are right wing republican conservatives... I don't get it... Jesus in no way shape or form would support war, cutting food stamps, cutting welfare... I think he would be proud of a nation that takes care of its poorest and most vulnerable. "depart from me I never knew you" is all I think of when I see modern Christians.

American Mega Church/Televangelical Christianity is probably one of the worst... they pride themselves in ignorance... they twist the bible it to justify everything... yet fail to ask why the pastor is driving a BMW and living in a 10 million dollar estate. "it's easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven". what do they think a statement like that means?

"I heard a preacher say one morning... I'm gonna drive that new Cadillac downtown and get it dusty & dirty for GAWD."

**billy the kid** · 08-02-2014, 06:09 AM

we live in a fucking mental institution surrounded, i say surrounded by cranks.

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