Thread: Evolution vs Bible

Worthy topic for those interested in discussing christianity, religions and alternative beliefs.

A new possible scientific finding.

SATURDAY, JAN 3, 2015
God is on the ropes: The brilliant new science that has creationists and the Christian right terrified

A young MIT professor is finishing Darwin's task — and threatening to undo everything the wacky right holds dear
PAUL ROSENBERG


God is on the ropes: The brilliant new science that has creationists and the Christian right terrified

The Christian right’s obsessive hatred of Darwin is a wonder to behold, but it could someday be rivaled by the hatred of someone you’ve probably never even heard of. Darwin earned their hatred because he explained the evolution of life in a way that doesn’t require the hand of God. Darwin didn’t exclude God, of course, though many creationists seem incapable of grasping this point. But he didn’t require God, either, and that was enough to drive some people mad.

Darwin also didn’t have anything to say about how life got started in the first place — which still leaves a mighty big role for God to play, for those who are so inclined. But that could be about to change, and things could get a whole lot worse for creationists because of Jeremy England, a young MIT professor who’s proposed a theory, based in thermodynamics, showing that the emergence of life was not accidental, but necessary. “[U]nder certain conditions, matter inexorably acquires the key physical attribute associated with life,” he was quoted as saying in an article in Quanta magazine early in 2014, that’s since been republished by Scientific American and, more recently, by Business Insider. In essence, he’s saying, life itself evolved out of simpler non-living systems.

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Honestly, the belief in a god (and whose god?) is more wacky than the belief in UFOs and aliens. In reality, the latter is more believable!

Oldest human fossil found, a lot older than others previously found.

Seriously, what is the Muslim take on this?

I'd post a picture of Mohammad riding a dinosaur, but people are too scared to draw one.

But Jesus was a Prophet in the Koran, so this will do.

^Like William Wallace, he was...Fooking ten feet tall and fired lightning bolts out his arse...

The Bible should be banned just like Evolution is

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'd post a picture of Mohammad riding a dinosaur, but people are too scared to draw one.

But Jesus was a Prophet in the Koran, so this will do.

Brilliant, the Cartoon Religion was dreamt up long after this lot became extinct.

cheers Mods

What amazes me is that (apparently) some creationists have degrees. I mean, I can understand pig-ignorant yokels believing it, but someone who has had enough focus and education to get a degree ? They must be seriously screwed up. Probably raised by parents who were ignorant creationists and can't shake it off....

Having gained an insight into the logic of Creationists from Our Peter, I find it vexing how such a state of absolute rejection can be maintained. The psychology of it is disturbing; that a such a regressive meme can still find a percentage of potential hosts that are susceptible to it's version of conscience. As it's defense is to remove all logic from debate; it is impossible to combat.

People are strange...

Whogivesashit is the best religion

Originally Posted by Neo

I'm not a fan of Religion, though I couldn't live without a degree of faith.

You question how people can believe what they do, yet you say you can't live without a degree of faith.

Weird statement, and vague. Not dissimilar to statements by a variety of Christians.

Does it matter how far you open the door? Once it's open, all's fair game.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Originally Posted by Neo

I'm not a fan of Religion, though I couldn't live without a degree of faith.

You question how people can believe what they do, yet you say you can't live without a degree of faith.

Weird statement, and vague.

It's in no means contrary or vague if you understand the difference between Religion and faith.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Originally Posted by Neo

I'm not a fan of Religion, though I couldn't live without a degree of faith.

You question how people can believe what they do, yet you say you can't live without a degree of faith.

Weird statement, and vague.

It's in no means contrary or vague if you understand the difference between Religion and faith.

Agreed. Plenty of scientists are faithful church/mosque/temple goers.

IMHO a sense of spirituality or faith is natural to humans, judging by the number and persistance of spiritual philosophies throughout history. But spirityuality is different from a dogma, any dogma, that insists in a belief that is contrary to observable facts. That is myth, a kind of dogma that is the stuff of religeon as organized time and again in many different forms. I got shed of it many years ago, though not a sense of spirituality.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

All religions are about control. And as people learn more and more about science, they believe less and less about dumbass mumbo mumbo fairy tales.

This weakens those in control, so they do their best to maintain the status quo.

Which is why mussies preach death to anyone who questions Allah, and these jesus wheezers invented shit like "Intelligent Design".

You'd be amazed the reaction I get when I tell my mussie colleagues that I'm an atheist, they simply cannot get their head around the concept, even those that aren't that serious about it (the drinkers, bacon munchers, etc.).

Horse shit!

In real life you are a poove.

“Like the most of you, I was raised among people who knew - who were certain. They did not reason or investigate. They had no doubts. They knew that they had the truth. In their creed there was no guess — no perhaps. They had a revelation from God. They knew the beginning of things. They knew that God commenced to create one Monday morning, four thousand and four years before Christ. They knew that in the eternity — back of that morning, he had done nothing. They knew that it took him six days to make the earth — all plants, all animals, all life, and all the globes that wheel in space. They knew exactly what he did each day and when he rested. They knew the origin, the cause of evil, of all crime, of all disease and death.

At the same time they knew that God created man in his own image and was perfectly satisfied with his work... They knew all about the Flood -- knew that God, with the exception of eight, drowned all his children -- the old and young -- the bowed patriarch and the dimpled babe -- the young man and the merry maiden -- the loving mother and the laughing child -- because his mercy endureth forever. They knew too, that he drowned the beasts and birds -- everything that walked or crawled or flew -- because his loving kindness is over all his works. They knew that God, for the purpose of civilizing his children, had devoured some with earthquakes, destroyed some with storms of fire, killed some with his lightnings, millions with famine, with pestilence, and sacrificed countless thousands upon the fields of war. They knew that it was necessary to believe these things and to love God. They knew that there could be no salvation except by faith, and through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ.

Then I asked myself the question: Is there a supernatural power -- an arbitrary mind -- an enthroned God -- a supreme will that sways the tides and currents of the world -- to which all causes bow?

I do not deny. I do not know - but I do not believe. I believe that the natural is supreme - that from the infinite chain no link can be lost or broken — that there is no supernatural power that can answer prayer - no power that worship can persuade or change — no power that cares for man.

Is there a God?

I do not know.

Is man immortal?

I do not know.

One thing I do know, and that is, that neither hope, nor fear, belief, nor denial, can change the fact. It is as it is, and it will be as it must be.

We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know. We can tell the truth, and we can enjoy the blessed freedom that the brave have won. We can destroy the monsters of superstition, the hissing snakes of ignorance and fear. We can drive from our minds the frightful things that tear and wound with beak and fang. We can civilize our fellow-men. We can fill our lives with generous deeds, with loving words, with art and song, and all the ecstasies of love. We can flood our years with sunshine — with the divine climate of kindness, and we can drain to the last drop the golden cup of joy.”


― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Works of Robert G. Ingersoll, Vol 1: Lectures

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

All religions are about control. And as people learn more and more about science, they believe less and less about dumbass mumbo mumbo fairy tales.

This weakens those in control, so they do their best to maintain the status quo.

Which is why mussies preach death to anyone who questions Allah, and these jesus wheezers invented shit like "Intelligent Design".

You'd be amazed the reaction I get when I tell my mussie colleagues that I'm an atheist, they simply cannot get their head around the concept, even those that aren't that serious about it (the drinkers, bacon munchers, etc.).

Horse shit!

In real life you are a poove.

Says the bloke whose nick is "Chew Cock".

I'm reading a thread on Islam started by a muslim on another forum.

Learning more, but also more convinced that islam is a fraud from start to finish.

(Including the other religions also.)

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I'm reading a thread on Islam started by a muslim on another forum.

Learning more, but also more convinced that islam is a fraud from start to finish.

(Including the other religions also.)

Well of course it is. Their hero was a crim.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I'm reading a thread on Islam started by a muslim on another forum.

Learning more, but also more convinced that islam is a fraud from start to finish.

(Including the other religions also.)

All they did was nick bits of Christianity and add their own spin. That's why Jesus is a prophet in the Quran.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

All religions are about control. And as people learn more and more about science, they believe less and less about dumbass mumbo mumbo fairy tales.

This weakens those in control, so they do their best to maintain the status quo.

Which is why mussies preach death to anyone who questions Allah, and these jesus wheezers invented shit like "Intelligent Design".

You'd be amazed the reaction I get when I tell my mussie colleagues that I'm an atheist, they simply cannot get their head around the concept, even those that aren't that serious about it (the drinkers, bacon munchers, etc.).

Horse shit!

In real life you are a poove.

Says the bloke whose nick is "Chew Cock".

You are such a funny little man