Evolution vs Bible

**kerux** · 10-10-2006, 08:50 PM

I don't want the three stooges, willy, stocky and shivy

to miss the request.

No excuses. I'm about ready to give up. I don't think they can explain.

Did I make my point?

**kingwilly** · 10-10-2006, 08:53 PM

bladdy hell, in the 5 or 10 minutes i read some other posts - you managed to rudely shout another dozen times on this thread....

you need to relax - try this thread...

https://teakdoor.com/members-only/64-...ian-women.html

**kerux** · 10-10-2006, 08:55 PM

You're right kingwithlittlewilly, I should have said marking the spots where the BS was excreted so as to warn others to not step in it.

It's a full time job with you three around.

**kingwilly** · 10-10-2006, 09:00 PM

how many of mine have you ignored or wriggled around

Originally Posted by MrK}

None that I know of, but if there is one, I'll be glad to answer it [SIZE=1

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from a scientific point of view, please explain how the animals got to places like NZ and Hawaii.

Fair is fair - answer EVERYONE OF MY POSTS THAT WERE ASKED BEFORE THIS ONE ! and then I will answer this one, I think I've answered more than several of your questions, something you have not been doing.

BTW - if your answer consists of bsflag and laugher smilies, so will mine.

**RDN** · 10-10-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by diaw

Where is this statue?

Bangalore, India apparently.

Shiva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Kidneystone** · 10-10-2006, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

I don't want the three stooges, willy, stocky and shivy

to miss the request.

No excuses. I'm about ready to give up. I don't think they can explain.

Did I make my point?

Duh no mr I have a sleplnig sirtifikate from grade 7 Kerux. you still have to answer that same question regarding the mythical antidilvian period!

Remember you ducked and weaved around it and many other questions regarding the myth of noah over in another place where they rightfully banned your sorry ass.

**RDN** · 10-10-2006, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

unfortunately i cannot keep up with your pace of 79.84 posts per day ......cos reading your 432 volumious posts was entertaining enough the first time....

Most of my posts have been made cleaning up your

and asking you to from an evolutionist point of view, please explain how the animals got to places like NZ and Hawaii.

From here:

One reoccurring theme was "Please explain to me, in simple words that I can understand, the theory of evolution." It seemed implied that if the respondents were unable to satisfy the request then evolution must in fact be false.

So just because we aren't evolution experts and can't satisfy your quest for answers, it doesn't mean that the theory of evolution is false. Go read a book on it. Put the Bible down for a few hours.

Another, and more disturbing theme, was alleged educators teaching creationist nonsense disguised as "open-minded skepticism." In both of these cases I am reminded of Darwin's words from The Decent of Man,

" ... ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

I have often argued that the main reason for there being such a strong cultural conflict today on these issues is because of a dismal science education system.

I wonder what kind of education you had, Kerux. Was it science based?

**kingwilly** · 10-10-2006, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by keda

kerux: You certainly fooled me, gotta hand it to you.

Your Godposts came to my notice when I returned online yesterday, and I must confess to having taken the early ones seriously, thinking you had staked yourself and was eager to state and defend your position, hopefully with a conversion or two, or at very least some angular thought by those who disagree with your beliefs.

Since, though, it seems you are little more than the proverbial resounding empty vessel, pulverising nonbelievers from all sides with nothing more profound than the usual snipes from the statutory blind faith boltholes, with the occasional contention such as, 'prove it!', thrown in to keep the opposition busy.

Consider: You have declared a rational faith and the onus is therefore upon you to respond coherently to fair enquiry, and in this way demonstrate your certainty in the existence of your biblical God, not on the evolutionists to undertake the absurd task of proving their negative.

agreed totally - he fooled me too! i never really took much notice of him on the otter channel....

the only thing i gotta disagree with is your use of the word evolutionists...

**Thetyim** · 10-10-2006, 10:02 PM

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

**kerux** · 11-10-2006, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Let's take a look at your BS, shall we?

What evil should God prevent?

**Bung** · 11-10-2006, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

What evil should God prevent?

Priests fucking little boys.

**Thetyim** · 11-10-2006, 09:00 AM

So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.

**Bung** · 11-10-2006, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

What evil should God prevent?

2. Religious fanaticism.

**kerux** · 11-10-2006, 10:06 AM

What do you think the penalty should be?

**kerux** · 11-10-2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Thetyim

So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.

Expand please a little on what you consider intelligence.

**keda** · 11-10-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Dunno, TT, some say He is all of those good things, but allows/encourages the negatives to encroach upon His excellent works in order to give us something to compare against his magnificense. Or something like that. Ask kerux.

**Thetyim** · 11-10-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by keda

Ask kerux.

No. I want an inteligent reply.

**kerux** · 11-10-2006, 11:51 AM

Well, what do you consider intelligent.

Is "priests [sodomizing] little boys the only evil you thiink
God should prevent?

Nothing else?

And should God just prevent those evils?

You made a statement that I consider BS and I'm trying to engage you in an intelligent discussion. Show us you're actually up to it.

Like I said in the 'armchair know it all thread" support your statement or stp criticising others.

**Stocky** · 11-10-2006, 01:31 PM

Kerux,

I have given you the explanation, that you are incapable or unwilling to comprehend it is not my problem. However, I will try spell it out for you.

Firstly, I'm not an 'evolutionist' I'm a scientist, 'evolutionist' might imply some sort of belief, but science isn't a faith, it's a process of reasoned deductions based on the available data. It's an iterative process, with theories constantly under review as new data becomes available.

Now to your question animals in Australia and New Zealand. As I've already pointed out to you in my first reply, to understand the distribution of life on the planet you need to understand plate tectonics, this is NOT a red herring. The earth's crust is not static, it moves, the crust is comprised of a series of plates. Some 250 million years ago, there was a single super continent we call Pangea.
Berkeley
US Geological Survey

This super continent gradually fragmented into the continental blocks we see today. As each continental block separated it took with it an assemblage of plants and animals. The early separation of Australia and New Zealand and their continued isolation have allowed their very unique fauna to evolve.

If this doesn't fit with your literal acceptance of the bible I really can't help you.

**Thetyim** · 11-10-2006, 01:56 PM

Christianity has nothing to do with Christ and probably never has, unless Christ was a close-minded, misogynistic, war-loving, imperialistic, aggressive hater of anything he didn't understand or agree with.

**kerux** · 11-10-2006, 02:16 PM

Firstly, I'm not an 'evolutionist' I'm a scientist, 'evolutionist' might imply some sort of belief, but science isn't a faith, it's a process of reasoned deductions based on the available data. It's an iterative process, with theories constantly under review as new data becomes available.

Good to hear you claim to be a scientist and not an evolutionist.

However, you interpret the same evidence creationist do. You are an evolutionists if you 'believe' that the life forms we find on earth evolved.

You may be a scientist, but you are an evolutionary scientist, unless you believe in the Ceationist paradigm. As far as I know, those are the only two paradigm options from which to interpret the evidence.

Now that we've established that FACT, let's move on shall we?

Your images above seem to suggest that you 'believe' the area we know call North America used to be connected to Luarasia.

However, you haven't explained why the same animals found in Luarasis aren't also found in what we now call North Amereica and why the animals we find in North America aren't also found in what we now call Asia.

For example, the bald eagle which can fly so should be found in both regions,

"U.S.A.'S NATIONAL EMBLEM: The Bald Eagle was officially declared the National Emblem of the United States by the Second Continental Congress in 1782. It was selected by the U.S.A.'s founding fathers because it is a species unique to North America."

http://www.eagles.org/moreabout.html

Now to your question animals in Australia and New Zealand.

My question wasn't about animals in Australia and NZ it was about animals in NZ and Hawaii. I'm surprised you missed that point because I must have posted in half a dozen times in BIG RED LETTERS and it's my signature so as to make sure you didn't miss it.

Also, just so you don't think I didn't catch your :

I will quote from your cite link: US Geological Survey

"According to the continental drift theory,"
"The theory of plate tectonics states that the Earth's outermost layer"
"some people already believed that the present-day continents"

The diagrams below show the break-up of the supercontinent Pangaea (meaning "all lands" in Greek), which figured prominently in the theory of continental drift -- the forerunner to the theory of plate

So, these images are images of a theory, as plainly stated in your very own cited link.

"According to the continental drift theory...."

"It [the continental drift theory] has provided explanations to questions that scientists had speculated upon for centuries -- such as why earthquakes and volcanic eruptions occur in very specific areas around the world, and how and why great mountain ranges like the Alps and Himalayas formed."

You haven't provide facts, you've provided explanations. Explanations are not scientific facts, they are however, interpretations. You've done no more with your explanations then what creation scienctists do, interpret the evidence, and based upon a Biblical paradigm offer explanations as to why these things we see are so.

Additionally, the Biblical flood could also just as well be used to explain the moving of the continent theory, as the Biblical account of the flood records, hundreds of years ago, that the 'fountains of the deep were broken up."

This 'breaking up of the deep' could also explain the theory of plate tectonics just as easily as yours.

Because no one alive today has observed the so-called contintental drift theory and it is not repeatable, it remains only a theory, because we can not observe it happening today.

I could go on.

You've haven't provided scientific evidence of anything. Explanations are not proof. I will repeat, explanations are not proof. What you have provided is a theory that attempts to explain the evidence as we see it today. Which is exactly what Creationist scientists do and are advocating be taught in public schools so the children are not brainwashed into believing a theory as if it was fact and are allowed to make up their own minds.

You have a problem with that?

Anyway, back to the question you still haven't answered: Explain how the animals and plants go to Hawaii? And why are there so many plants and animals unique t Hawaii?

Also, you claim to be a scientist. A scientist shoud be able to differentiate between a theory and a fact. You apparently haven't.

A scientist should also be able to enter a field of study with an open objective mind willing to make "reasoned deductions" to reach conclusions that best explain the evidence he is investigating. Whether those conclusions bring him to reason that there is perhaps a Creator or not. Got the balls to do that?

Keep that in mind and you just may become the scientist you claim to be.

**Lily** · 11-10-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Thetyim

unless Christ was a close-minded, misogynistic, war-loving, imperialistic, aggressive hater of anything he didn't understand or agree with.

erm.......remind you of someone?

Sorry Willy but this just would not do for a one dayer.

Slow run rate.

**kingwilly** · 11-10-2006, 03:39 PM

^ agreed - it was a quick century but has slowed down somewhat now.
i think the ton and a half is possible but the double just looks too shaky!
everyone has more or less said their bit - no-one is budging - the batsmen
seem afraid to leave the safety of their crease.
Besides which the one dayers are not really the full monty IMHO anyway.

besides i have now put somebody on ignore now - so long as some other git doesn't quote everything git #1 says - I'll be fine.

**kerux** · 11-10-2006, 05:08 PM

You two avoid cracks in the sidewalk too?

**kingwilly** · 11-10-2006, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

You two avoid cracks in the sidewalk too?

how about we agree to disagree on this issue? you've made up your mind and i've made up mine. no hard feelings.

come and chat to me on my thread about wallace and grommitt flying to the moon to get some cheese....

https://teakdoor.com/the-multimedia-f...d-grommit.html

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