Thread: US Immigration Reform

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Newly elected Speaker Paul Ryan said Sunday he’s willing to work across the aisle with Democrats but won’t do immigration reform with President Obama in his final 14 months in office.

Hey, he's there to get things done.

It appears the people pushing immigration reform are those that want more immigrants legally allowed each year, and that a path for citizenship should be made. Why, why should America allow more immigrants to come at a time when jobs are already scarce, the American financial system is pushed to the brink, and America can't even properly care for it's veterans. Many immigrants no longer wish to become Americans they just want to live here, and complain about what they don't get here, and raise tensions in communities because they refuse to assimilate. Why should America create a pathway to citizenship for those here illegally, simply put they are here illegally. I understand that exporting somewhere around 11 million is virtually impossible, I also understand the devistation to the families involved. I don't see why a law giving some sort of legal status, green cards or whatever would not be acceptable , I don't see how citizenship for illegals is far to people who have gone through the arduous task of becoming a citizen.

Do you understand "spell checker" and "grammar checker"?

More to the point do you understand "Boehner deliberately blocked a BIPARTISAN immigration bill to placate the teabaggers"?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Newly elected Speaker Paul Ryan said Sunday he’s willing to work across the aisle with Democrats but won’t do immigration reform with President Obama in his final 14 months in office.

Hey, he's there to get things done.

It appears the people pushing immigration reform are those that want more immigrants legally allowed each year, and that a path for citizenship should be made. Why, why should America allow more immigrants to come at a time when jobs are already scarce, the American financial system is pushed to the brink, and America can't even properly care for it's veterans. Many immigrants no longer wish to become Americans they just want to live here, and complain about what they don't get here, and raise tensions in communities because they refuse to assimilate. Why should America create a pathway to citizenship for those here illegally, simply put they are here illegally. I understand that exporting somewhere around 11 million is virtually impossible, I also understand the devistation to the families involved. I don't see why a law giving some sort of legal status, green cards or whatever would not be acceptable , I don't see how citizenship for illegals is far to people who have gone through the arduous task of becoming a citizen.

Do you understand "spell checker" and "grammar checker"?

More to the point do you understand "Boehner deliberately blocked a BIPARTISAN immigration bill to placate the teabaggers"?

Boehner blocking a bipartisan bill has nothing to do with,my question is why does America need immigration reform.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Boehner blocking a bipartisan bill has nothing to do with,my question is why does America need immigration reform.

Because America has been happily using cheap labour for decades, and many of the so-called anchor babies are legal citizens.

It is both unfair and reprehensible to break up families just to appease a bunch of rabid right wing retards, especially when the parents of these folk have probably spent their time working and paying taxes all their lives without ever being able to claim any benefits as a result.

Originally Posted by MrG

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I assume you just want us to think about that classic excercise in rhetoric.
Well, I have, and this is what I see.
An admitted Right wing blog site (the Gateway Pundit) blames Obama for "Obama's open door policy" causing hundreds of thousands of diseases in the US.
Does it not occur to anyone that hundreds of thousands of people is an indication that this has been a longstanding problem in the American Southwest, long before Obama took office.
Or that the little bugs could be coming across the border on something other than a human being, for instance shipping, trucks, etc.
No. Just Obama's policies are importing diseases--illegal, undocumented diseases at that. All without references, statistics, medical input, nothing.

It's so easy to be a right winger.

I'm not a right winger.

Nice fail again, fatso.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I'm not a right winger.

You do your best to fool everyone - except for your labor stance.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Nice fail again, fatso.

So, going to complain abut others being abusive again?

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I'm not a right winger.

Then stop posting right winger blogs/propoganda as if it was just "...a little something interesting I thought you guys would want to waste your time reading. It was right next to the Hanna's Helpful Houshold Hints column."

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Boehner blocking a bipartisan bill has nothing to do with,my question is why does America need immigration reform.

Because America has been happily using cheap labour for decades, and many of the so-called anchor babies are legal citizens.

It is both unfair and reprehensible to break up families just to appease a bunch of rabid right wing retards, especially when the parents of these folk have probably spent their time working and paying taxes all their lives without ever being able to claim any benefits as a result.

If you would have read my post you would see that I addressed the deportation issue with a simple law that would give current illegals the right to stay but no citizenship.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If you would have read my post you would see that I addressed the deportation issue with a simple law that would give current illegals the right to stay but no citizenship.

So, still no rights aside from working, paying taxes etc...

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If you would have read my post you would see that I addressed the deportation issue with a simple law that would give current illegals the right to stay but no citizenship.

So, still no rights aside from working, paying taxes etc...

The same rights as any green card holder, you people seem to forget these people are in violation of international law. We are only talking about one generation as anybody with children born in the U.S. Are already citizens, and if they have no children as citizens there is no family to tear apart.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

these people are in violation of international law

I'm pretty sure that international law doesn't give a toss about illegal immigrants in the U.S.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by RPETER65

these people are in violation of international law

I'm pretty sure that international law doesn't give a toss about illegal immigrants in the U.S.

Sorry that should have read federal law.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Boehner blocking a bipartisan bill has nothing to do with,my question is why does America need immigration reform.

Because America has been happily using cheap labour for decades, and many of the so-called anchor babies are legal citizens.

It is both unfair and reprehensible to break up families just to appease a bunch of rabid right wing retards, especially when the parents of these folk have probably spent their time working and paying taxes all their lives without ever being able to claim any benefits as a result.

If you would have read my post you would see that I addressed the deportation issue with a simple law that would give current illegals the right to stay but no citizenship.

What do you think of the Immigration bill that Boehner refused to put to a vote, knowing that the Senate had already passed it, and Congress was almost certain to?

The key provisions are here:

Key provisions of the Senate bipartisan immigration bill - The Washington Post

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Boehner blocking a bipartisan bill has nothing to do with,my question is why does America need immigration reform.

Because America has been happily using cheap labour for decades, and many of the so-called anchor babies are legal citizens.

It is both unfair and reprehensible to break up families just to appease a bunch of rabid right wing retards, especially when the parents of these folk have probably spent their time working and paying taxes all their lives without ever being able to claim any benefits as a result.

If you would have read my post you would see that I addressed the deportation issue with a simple law that would give current illegals the right to stay but no citizenship.

What do you think of the Immigration bill that Boehner refused to put to a vote, knowing that the Senate had already passed it, and Congress was almost certain to?

The key provisions are here:

Key provisions of the Senate bipartisan immigration bill - The Washington Post

As it would have provided a path to citizenship I can't say I agreed with it, the other thing I found fault with is the border security provision, I don't feel it would be enough to stop illegals.
Why not just pass a short bill giving legal status to those in the U.S. illegally, and appropriate money to build the wall and be done with it?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Boehner blocking a bipartisan bill has nothing to do with,my question is why does America need immigration reform.

Because America has been happily using cheap labour for decades, and many of the so-called anchor babies are legal citizens.

It is both unfair and reprehensible to break up families just to appease a bunch of rabid right wing retards, especially when the parents of these folk have probably spent their time working and paying taxes all their lives without ever being able to claim any benefits as a result.

If you would have read my post you would see that I addressed the deportation issue with a simple law that would give current illegals the right to stay but no citizenship.

What do you think of the Immigration bill that Boehner refused to put to a vote, knowing that the Senate had already passed it, and Congress was almost certain to?

The key provisions are here:

Key provisions of the Senate bipartisan immigration bill - The Washington Post

As it would have provided a path to citizenship I can't say I agreed with it, the other thing I found fault with is the border security provision, I don't feel it would be enough to stop illegals.
Why not just pass a short bill giving legal status to those in the U.S. illegally, and appropriate money to build the wall and be done with it?

If you are going to give them "legal status" why not just give them citizenship?

What is the difference?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Because America has been happily using cheap labour for decades, and many of the so-called anchor babies are legal citizens.

It is both unfair and reprehensible to break up families just to appease a bunch of rabid right wing retards, especially when the parents of these folk have probably spent their time working and paying taxes all their lives without ever being able to claim any benefits as a result.

If you would have read my post you would see that I addressed the deportation issue with a simple law that would give current illegals the right to stay but no citizenship.

What do you think of the Immigration bill that Boehner refused to put to a vote, knowing that the Senate had already passed it, and Congress was almost certain to?

The key provisions are here:

Key provisions of the Senate bipartisan immigration bill - The Washington Post

As it would have provided a path to citizenship I can't say I agreed with it, the other thing I found fault with is the border security provision, I don't feel it would be enough to stop illegals.
Why not just pass a short bill giving legal status to those in the U.S. illegally, and appropriate money to build the wall and be done with it?

If you are going to give them "legal status" why not just give them citizenship?

What is the difference?

Voting privileges.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

I am not concerned about Miguel or Juanita getting a green card, if you had any comprehension skills you would have seen in my post that is exactly what I believe they should get.

As far as Boehner, he is long gone. Maybe you should look at your liberal hero Harry Reid, how many republican introduced bills did he leave laying on his desk.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

The fact that ignoring the laws of America in the past should have no bearing on the present.

The morality issue is covered by giving legal statis, no families torn apart, the ability to work legally pay taxes and collect benefits. Your moral issue is out the window.

We are not talking about generations of people to deal with, we are talking about one generation, any of their offspring are already citizens.

If you feel the need to deal with any employers who have taken advantage of these people deal with the employers."

I come from an area which is highly agriculture, I know many of the farmers who hire Mexicans for harvest most of these are employed through Mexican Americans who supply the labor and take care of the paper work. These employees are all paid the going rate for their labor. The govnt. Has built new apartment complexes to house these workers and the rents are minimal. All housing provided by the farmers has to be to a certain standard as is checked by the local housing authority. Don't make it sound like these people have been abused.

As far as your rant"a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs" maybe a bit over dramatic, these are people who believe what they believe, just as you libtards believe what they believe, they are not nut jobs but they do believe in the preservation of America.

Where did I say they were abused? I said they worked for your benefit. Taxes are often deducted for them without them ever being able to claim benefits, and they spend money which helps drive your economy.

They deserve the same rights as anyone else.

And stating that a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs control your congress is a simple fact.

They are not the majority of the American people and should not be able to dictate which bills are presented for a vote.

If a group of left wing nut jobs did the same thing, you'd be squealing like a stuck pig about it, you hypocrite.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

The fact that ignoring the laws of America in the past should have no bearing on the present.

The morality issue is covered by giving legal statis, no families torn apart, the ability to work legally pay taxes and collect benefits. Your moral issue is out the window.

We are not talking about generations of people to deal with, we are talking about one generation, any of their offspring are already citizens.

If you feel the need to deal with any employers who have taken advantage of these people deal with the employers."

I come from an area which is highly agriculture, I know many of the farmers who hire Mexicans for harvest most of these are employed through Mexican Americans who supply the labor and take care of the paper work. These employees are all paid the going rate for their labor. The govnt. Has built new apartment complexes to house these workers and the rents are minimal. All housing provided by the farmers has to be to a certain standard as is checked by the local housing authority. Don't make it sound like these people have been abused.

As far as your rant"a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs" maybe a bit over dramatic, these are people who believe what they believe, just as you libtards believe what they believe, they are not nut jobs but they do believe in the preservation of America.

Where did I say they were abused? I said they worked for your benefit. Taxes are often deducted for them without them ever being able to claim benefits, and they spend money which helps drive your economy.

They deserve the same rights as anyone else.

And stating that a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs control your congress is a simple fact.

They are not the majority of the American people and should not be able to dictate which bills are presented for a vote.

If a group of left wing nut jobs did the same thing, you'd be squealing like a stuck pig about it, you hypocrite.

If you talk about them being a cheap source of labor you are implying they get paid less than citizens. If they are paying taxes with no benefits then they are being abused, if they are being under paid then they are abused, you didn't have to say they were abused, your post said it for you.



Just because they stop some bills from being considered does not make them screaming hysterical nut jobs.Like I said in a previous post it is not a one sided affair liberals use the same practice.

You say they are not the majority but they were elected as the majority of members of the house by the people of the U.S.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You say they are not the majority but they were elected as the majority of members of the house by the people of the U.S.

They do not even represent the majority of Republican voters.

They represent a lobby group with too much power.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You say they are not the majority but they were elected as the majority of members of the house by the people of the U.S.

They do not even represent the majority of Republican voters.

They represent a lobby group with too much power.

If that be the case then why were they the choice of the majority, and why don't you address the fact that liberals use the same tactics, as I said before it is not a one way street. Or maybe you would like to comment on how the liberals got Obama care through.

You are right though the political situation in America is a disaster, but it is not one sided.