Thread: US Immigration Reform

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

The fact that ignoring the laws of America in the past should have no bearing on the present.

The morality issue is covered by giving legal statis, no families torn apart, the ability to work legally pay taxes and collect benefits. Your moral issue is out the window.

We are not talking about generations of people to deal with, we are talking about one generation, any of their offspring are already citizens.

If you feel the need to deal with any employers who have taken advantage of these people deal with the employers."

I come from an area which is highly agriculture, I know many of the farmers who hire Mexicans for harvest most of these are employed through Mexican Americans who supply the labor and take care of the paper work. These employees are all paid the going rate for their labor. The govnt. Has built new apartment complexes to house these workers and the rents are minimal. All housing provided by the farmers has to be to a certain standard as is checked by the local housing authority. Don't make it sound like these people have been abused.

As far as your rant"a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs" maybe a bit over dramatic, these are people who believe what they believe, just as you libtards believe what they believe, they are not nut jobs but they do believe in the preservation of America.

Where did I say they were abused? I said they worked for your benefit. Taxes are often deducted for them without them ever being able to claim benefits, and they spend money which helps drive your economy.

They deserve the same rights as anyone else.

And stating that a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs control your congress is a simple fact.

They are not the majority of the American people and should not be able to dictate which bills are presented for a vote.

If a group of left wing nut jobs did the same thing, you'd be squealing like a stuck pig about it, you hypocrite.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

The fact that ignoring the laws of America in the past should have no bearing on the present.

The morality issue is covered by giving legal statis, no families torn apart, the ability to work legally pay taxes and collect benefits. Your moral issue is out the window.

We are not talking about generations of people to deal with, we are talking about one generation, any of their offspring are already citizens.

If you feel the need to deal with any employers who have taken advantage of these people deal with the employers."

I come from an area which is highly agriculture, I know many of the farmers who hire Mexicans for harvest most of these are employed through Mexican Americans who supply the labor and take care of the paper work. These employees are all paid the going rate for their labor. The govnt. Has built new apartment complexes to house these workers and the rents are minimal. All housing provided by the farmers has to be to a certain standard as is checked by the local housing authority. Don't make it sound like these people have been abused.

As far as your rant"a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs" maybe a bit over dramatic, these are people who believe what they believe, just as you libtards believe what they believe, they are not nut jobs but they do believe in the preservation of America.

Where did I say they were abused? I said they worked for your benefit. Taxes are often deducted for them without them ever being able to claim benefits, and they spend money which helps drive your economy.

They deserve the same rights as anyone else.

And stating that a bunch of hysterical screaming right wing nut jobs control your congress is a simple fact.

They are not the majority of the American people and should not be able to dictate which bills are presented for a vote.

If a group of left wing nut jobs did the same thing, you'd be squealing like a stuck pig about it, you hypocrite.

If you talk about them being a cheap source of labor you are implying they get paid less than citizens. If they are paying taxes with no benefits then they are being abused, if they are being under paid then they are abused, you didn't have to say they were abused, your post said it for you.



Just because they stop some bills from being considered does not make them screaming hysterical nut jobs.Like I said in a previous post it is not a one sided affair liberals use the same practice.

You say they are not the majority but they were elected as the majority of members of the house by the people of the U.S.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You say they are not the majority but they were elected as the majority of members of the house by the people of the U.S.

They do not even represent the majority of Republican voters.

They represent a lobby group with too much power.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You say they are not the majority but they were elected as the majority of members of the house by the people of the U.S.

They do not even represent the majority of Republican voters.

They represent a lobby group with too much power.

If that be the case then why were they the choice of the majority, and why don't you address the fact that liberals use the same tactics, as I said before it is not a one way street. Or maybe you would like to comment on how the liberals got Obama care through.

You are right though the political situation in America is a disaster, but it is not one sided.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You say they are not the majority but they were elected as the majority of members of the house by the people of the U.S.

They do not even represent the majority of Republican voters.

They represent a lobby group with too much power.

If that be the case then why were they the choice of the majority, and why don't you address the fact that liberals use the same tactics, as I said before it is not a one way street. Or maybe you would like to comment on how the liberals got Obama care through.

You are right though the political situation in America is a disaster, but it is not one sided.

Can you name a Bipartisan bill stopped in the house by a crazed left wing minority outside it?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Voting privileges.

Ah, of course, that's what you're afraid of.

And fictitious voter fraud.

Have you ever seen where I have posted anything about voter fraud on this or any other thread on speakers corner, let me answer that for you, no.i don't see a voter fraud problem in America, at the same time I do not see a problem with picture ID to vote.

You liberals can't seem to understand, America is a country of laws illegals are not in the U.S. legally, hence the term illegals.
the only two reasons I would vote to give them legal status: 1 I don't think tearing families apart is right, 2 I believe that removing 11 million people is not possible.
Giving them legal status is more than they are legally entitled to, citizenship and voting rights out of the question. Even felons who are citizens loose their voting rights.

The point is that your country has welcomed the majority of these illegals for years as a source of cheap labour. They have built their homes and their families by working for your benefit.

You talk about morals, well the morally appropriate thing to do is to give them citizenship, and the Bipartisan bill did all of that with sufficient caveats to weed out the undesirables.

Both parties would have sailed this bill through but one man, at the mercy of the bickering teabaggers, put a stop to it.

The fact that a bunch of hysterical, screaming right wing nut jobs can bring your country's political system to its knees should be of more concern to you than Miguel or Juanita getting a green card.

I am not concerned about Miguel or Juanita getting a green card, if you had any comprehension skills you would have seen in my post that is exactly what I believe they should get.

As far as Boehner, he is long gone. Maybe you should look at your liberal hero Harry Reid, how many republican introduced bills did he leave laying on his desk.