Thread: Bible 101

Take the Fundamentalist Christian test today.

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

.you are making it sound like you are the only one.

On that smelly fish forum and others, for a very very long time, I was, just like I am here on that same issue you say is where others distance themselves from me.

Thing is, if I'm wrong I've lost nothing much, if you're wrong........

Originally Posted by kerux

if I'm wrong I've lost nothing much

me too.

I've deleted a few more irrelevant posts.

Originally Posted by kerux

I'm a mod here, Kerux, I have to read your gibberish whether I like it or not. And I don't like it.
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Kerux, members and mods are getting tired of your drivel.
Shape up or find your posts moved to the "moronic kiddies corner".

I beg to differ and have the rep points to prove it, one giver even said 'don't let the bastards, [I guess he meant people like you], get to you."

Please explain dross and drivel.

Good for you that you got some nice repo points. Looks like the majority of your repos are negative ones, though, have you noticed this?
"Dross and drivel": in the context of this forum section, comments, pics, personal banter without any relevance to the topic at hand, also comments which do not engage, ignore or purposefully distort what others have made an effort to write up.

And when you do, please be assured, even though I have never once notified a mod about a post, I will notify you about each and every single post that I feel falls into your definition of dross or drivel in this Issues forum, the "serious forum."

My guess is there is a double standard.

Feel free to use the report button to notify us of comments you find objectionable, but please note that it is not your role to play moderator here or make a point by overusing the report function.
If you make an effort to discuss your themes in sincerity, I'll be happy to keep your threads comparatively free of thoughtless responses and attacks on your person. Of course I cannot reasonably do so while the majority of your posts are hyperbole and 'dross'.

You tend to not acknowledge rational arguments, from the few who are prepared to spend the time to post them, - instead you prefer to provoke personal attacks, as well as dishing them out.

Double standards? How many of the 20 deleted posts were yours?

Kerux, members and mods are getting tired of your drivel.

The facts say otherwise:

Bible 101 was started on the 10th. Since then it has generated 2245 visits and 318 replies, respectively. Thats 224.5 visits and 31.8 replies per day, respectable stats and they fly in the face of your assertion.
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In short, these whiners are getting jealous, no, make that envious, not tired.
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And by the way, if the owner of Teak Door would like me to leave, just say the word and I'm gone. I don't need this. You're fortunate I don't charge for my time spent here.

The number of visits and replies is no indication of appreciation nor approval -the pms I get and the repos you get are.

Feel free to go somewhere you'll be more appreciated than here, but while you're here, please familiarise yourself with the rules and habits of the place.

Originally Posted by stroller

Feel free to go somewhere you'll be more appreciated than here ...

I was thinking that he'd be more appreciated with like-minded folk over at pearly-gates.com or he'scomingsoon.com . Obviously, the majority of td.com members are a stubborn lot of heathens! I'm beginning to believe that we'll never be converted.

Originally Posted by stroller

Good for you that you got some nice repo points. Looks like the majority of your repos are negative ones, though, have you noticed this? "Dross and drivel": in the context of this forum section, comments, pics, personal banter without any relevance to the topic at hand, also comments which do not engage, ignore or purposefully distort what others have made an effort to write up.

Originally Posted by stroller

The number of visits and replies is no indication of appreciation nor approval -the pms I get and the repos you get are. Feel free to go somewhere you'll be more appreciated than here, but while you're here, please familiarise yourself with the rules and habits of the place.

Is this beginning to look like a pattern?

Moved lots of 9-11 posts to 9-11 conspiracy thread where they belong.
can we keep this thread on the bible please.

^ which version of the bible would that be then ?

and are we allowed to discuss the missing scriptures that were decided to be too close to magic to allow in the modern bible in case the dumb folk got confused?

The Bible and Homosexuality

“The Bible and Homosexuality”
by Dr. Bob Rogers, Pastor
First Baptist Church
Rincon, Georgia

Ecclesiastes 3:7 says there is a time to be silent and a time to speak. During the summer of 2003, political correctness ran rampant over biblical correctness like a steam roller in the public media. Canada approved gay marriage, the Supreme Court banned anti-sodomy laws, and the Episcopal Church gave official approval to an openly-gay bishop and allowed liturgies to bless same-sex marriage (although there was strong opposition from more conservative Episcopalians). I believe God’s wrath is aroused and it is time for all Christians, not just conservative Episcopalians, to speak up for the truth.

At the same time, Ephesians 4:15 reminds us to "speak the truth in love." As a young man, I was homosexually abused. It only happened once, but I'll never forget it, and at one time it was hard for me to preach on this issue without anger. Bitterness is also a sin. But I have confessed that, and I will seek in this message a balanced approach, speaking the truth, but speaking it in love.

1. THE BIBLE CONSISTENTLY CONDEMNS HOMOSEXUALITY AS SIN

From the homosexual sin of Sodom in Genesis 19 we get our term for homosexual sin, “sodomy.” Throughout scripture sodomy is condemned. All Scriptures New Internatinal Version (NIV), unless otherwise noted.

Genesis 19:4-8
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

Leviticus 18:22
"'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Judges 19:22-23
While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing.

1 Kings 14:24
There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.

Romans 1:24-27
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

2. SO HOW DO HOMOSEXUALS JUSTIFY THEIR BEHAVIOR BY THE BIBLE?

1) The Sin of Sodom Argument

Gay activitists claim that Ezekiel 16:49 says the sin of Sodom was social injustice, not sexual. But Ezekiel 16:50 goes on to say they did detestable things, and Jude 7 specifies those detestable things were sexual immorality.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Jude 7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

2) The “outdated like slavery” argument
Gay activists claim that some ethical commands of the Bible are outdated. They love to say, “The Bible tells slaves to obey their masters, and people now know that was wrong. Likewise, it’s wrong to condemn homosexuality.”

This argument depends on a dangerous view of scripture. If you can dismiss scripture just because the culture considers it outdated, you’re on a dangerous slope. How can you believe anything in the Bible with such an attitude?
Not only that, but gay activists twist scripture to come up with this reasoning.

It is twisting scripture to claim that because slaves were told to obey their masters that the Bible was supporting slavery. The Bible was merely instructing Christian slaves in how to behave in their situation. It was not endorsing slavery. In the little New Testament book of Philemon, Paul urged Philemon to free his slave Onesimus. And slave trading is condemned as sin along with homosexuality in 1 Timothy 9:10.

1 Timothy 1:9-10
We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.
NOTE: The Greek word used for “perverts” in the NIV is translated “homosexuals” in the New American Standard Bible and Holman Christian Standard Bible, and "sodomites" in the New Revised Standard Version and New King James Version. The word means a man who defiles himself with another man. The word translated “slave trader” means one who kidnaps another man to enslave him.

3) The “gay examples in the Bible” argument
Same-sex friendships in the Bible such as between Jonathan and David or Ruth and Naomi are said to be models for homosexual relationships. This is twisting scripture to fit the gay agenda. Nowhere does the Bible say these friendships were sexual in nature.

4) The “male nor female” argument

This argument reinterprets Galatians 3:28. Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Gay activists point to this verse to claim that people can be Christians, whatever their sexual orientation, whether “male or female.”
Gay activists are reading into this passage something that simply is not there. Paul clearly was saying that both men and women are equal in Christ. This in no way says or even implies that males who prefer males or females who prefer females are equal in Christ.
But gay activists cleverly respond, “but God made homosexuals that way, they can’t change, so it is just like being male or female.”
This popular statement by gay activists is contradicted by scientific and psychological research and by the testimonies of many former homosexuals that they did change.

Scientific claims that gays are born with a genetic difference are based on faulty research. If homosexuality were truly genetic, then all identical twins would have the same sexual orientation. However, only about half of the time when a homosexual has an identical twin is the twin also homosexual. If it’s genetic, why don’t all identical twins have the same sexual orientation? (Exodus International FAQs page, exodus-international.org/exodus_faqs.shtml)

New Directions has a report that summarizes 31 studies done on sexual orientation that found 45 people who completely changed from homosexuality to heterosexuality, 86 homosexual people who “acquired” heterosexual behavior, and 287 homosexual people who had partial shifts toward some heterosexual desires and attractions.
The research shows that change is not easy, but people can change. (“Homosexuality and the Possibility of Change,” newdirection.ca/a_change.htm)

Most important of all are the testimonies of people who have experienced freedom from homosexuality by Christ. Their struggles to overcome homosexuality are not easy nor all the same. But through Christ, and through loving Christians, they are finding freedom from homosexuality.

Check the web page of Exodus International,www.exodus-international.org, for many testimonies of people who have found freedom in Christ from the gay lifestye.

Ephesians 3:18 speaks of the amazing love of Christ: “how wide and how long and how high and how deep is the love of Christ!” That love is long enough to reach the homosexual who has run from God for many long years. That love is deep enough to reach down into the filthy gay lifestyle and lift any person up to forgiveness.

Dr. Bob Rogers, Pastor
First Baptist Church
201 E. 6th St.
Rincon, GA 31326

is Roxy another Bible nutty ? damn, I thought Redux and cerubat was enough

You have successfully diverted this bible thread into criticising moderating (well, my moderating), kerux.
I asked you to comment on moderation in the moderation thread.

The thread needs cleaning out, there's some amusing material for the 'moronic kiddies corner' here.
It would look biased if I did the cleaning, since I am being criticed here, I leave it for another mod.

Then you may have a go at them, kerux...

^^
Done.

Wouldn't think of it babystroller, good to see you doing your job.

and you can find them all here

https://teakdoor.com/moronic-kiddies-...le-thread.html

"Bible nutter" is not a religious slur, but it's offensive (- Christianity is not a religion, remember? )
Moderators MAY act on it.
Someone may yet delete it, since you reported it, kerux.

I suggest you cool down and allow others the same leniency you claim for yourself.

So, let's see: What can I say about the most sensitive group in any fourm in Thailand - the homosexuals?

If 'Bible nutter' isn't a religious slur, but it is offensive, then what is the equivalent non-slur when it comes to homosexuality? And let me see if the mods act on that.

Let me give it some thought. Stay tuned you queers.

Originally Posted by kerux

Let me give it some thought. Stay tuned you queers.

The topic is Bible 101 so make sure they are biblical terms

Originally Posted by kerux

then what is the equivalent non-slur when it comes to homosexuality?

Originally Posted by Thetyim

The topic is Bible 101 so make sure they are biblical terms

catholic priests?

LONDON, October 23rd (Reuters) -

A recently discovered smaller scroll hidden in the cylinder of the first scroll of the ancient Biblical scriptures, believed to be the actual "first page" of the Bible. When deciphered, it read:

All beings, places and events depicted in this work are fictional, and any resemblance to actual beings, places and events past, present or future is purely coincidental.

WARNING: Some of the actions performed in this work are dangerous and should only be attempted by professionals familiar with the action in question.

NOTE: Those tiny points of light in the sky when it gets dark are called 'stars'. Some of them do blow up on occasion. In no way should this be construed as a sign that there is, beneath such an explosion, any form of saviour. Should such a misconstrual happen, the author will not be held responsible for the avalanche of arrogance, zeal, bigotry, humanocentricity and other vile acts which will surely follow the residents of the planet into time eternal until someone sees fit to erase the denizens of the world and let the author start over.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

is Roxy another Bible nutty ? damn, I thought Redux and cerubat was enough

Not to worry, she's not.