Thread: Bible 101

Originally Posted by stroller

and the question remains unanswered

thank you stroller.

You mean the question I asked sandpail to answer?

Where or at what point does the God you don't believe-in
start interfering with natural causes to prevent bad things from happening in the world?

Dry up the lakes so nobody drowns?

Speaking of lakes here's another example of where the Son of God intervened on mans bahalf:

Mark 4

35 And the same day, when the even was come, he saith unto them, Let us pass over unto the other side.

36 And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.

37 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full.

38 And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?

39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?

41 And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

We've had enough bible quotes...

You've had enough Bbile quotes?

And yet you clicked on a thread titled Bible 101?

That's like saying you've had enough beer and then calling the waitress over and ordering another pitcher of draft.

Originally Posted by lovebucket

why does the god (that you insist that you believe in) drown his own worshippers? one thing i really now believe is you can't answer it, despite several polite requests.

Originally Posted by stroller

and the question remains unanswered.

Originally Posted by kerux

You mean the question I asked sandpail to answer? Where or at what point does the God you don't believe-in start interfering with natural causes to prevent bad things from happening in the world?

i'm pretty sure he means the question that i originally put to you, but in an attempt to get your thoughts onto my question, instead of you worrying needlessly about how i would like god to behave, i'll give you the courtesy of an answer.

firstly, i'll apologise for not answering you straight away, but i thought you were asking a rhetorical question. my mistake.

please understand that i'm a non-believer, so my knowledge of the bible may be a little sketchy, but let's say for arguments sake that i do believe.

as a believer, i would know that god, realising his mistake with the human race going off track, decided to do something about it. noah was warned to "get his ducks in row" and was given full instructions on how to build the ark. he was also given a full inventory of creatures that god desired to be part of the cargo of said ark. he was given the time to accomplish this magnificent task, before god, using his powers, summoned up the waters of the deep, and the waters of the overhead canopy.
such was his control over the weather, the whole thing went off without a hitch, and all the other sinners (including the rest of the nasty animals) perished according to plan. noah, his cargo and his offspring were all safely reinstated in order to procreate and start us all off again. ...your question:

Where or at what point does the God you don't believe-in start interfering with natural causes to prevent bad things from happening in the world?

... my answer to that question: as a "believer", knowing his awesome power over the weather, i think he would appear more reasonable and loving in most people's eyes, if he had given his followers in new orleans the same kind of inside information that he had given to noah, or failing that, the same assistance that he gave to the israelites as they were facing impending doom on the banks of the red sea.

as far as god's followers in new orleans are concerned, i'll just quote my original question, if i may. (you can skip the part about the girl and her trusting family if you wish.) i hope this straighten things out, and once again, i'm sorry for my oversight in not responding to your question.

Originally Posted by lovebucket

An Atheist Manifesto

quote:

"Somewhere in the world a man has abducted a little girl. Soon he will rape, torture and kill her. If an atrocity of this kind is not occurring at precisely this moment, it will happen in a few hours, or days at most. Such is the confidence we can draw from the statistical laws that govern the lives of 6 billion human beings. The same statistics also suggest that this girl's parents believe at this very moment that an all-powerful and all-loving God is watching over them and their family. Are they right to believe this? Is it good that they believe this?

No.

Consider the destruction that Hurricane Katrina leveled on New Orleans. More than a thousand people died, tens of thousands lost all their earthly possessions, and nearly a million were displaced. It is safe to say that almost every person living in New Orleans at the moment Katrina struck believed in an omnipotent, omniscient and compassionate God. But what was God doing while a hurricane laid waste to their city? Surely he heard the prayers of those elderly men and women who fled the rising waters for the safety of their attics, only to be slowly drowned there. These were people of faith. These were good men and women who had prayed throughout their lives. Only the atheist has the courage to admit the obvious: These poor people died talking to an imaginary friend."

linky here

p.s. kerux, my username is lovebucket.

Originally Posted by kerux

so far I don't see one other person agreeing with

You a bandwagon junkie? You think I care about numbers? Jesus was left completely alone, forsaken, by everone, even his best friends. Majorities don't mean squat to me.

You dont care about numbers! then why are you trying to be the most prolific poster of doodoo on this forum?

Originally Posted by kerux

Check the 9/11 thread. I was the SOLE poster for several years on Ajarn who stuck to my guns about 9/11 being the biggest criminal conspiracy in US history despite the vast majority's ridicule. And I have the threads saved to prove it.

Just exactly how fruiting sad is that! keeping your owm threads to show to teh good lord at judgement day "look goddie woddie, you can see what a good christuian i was for you"

i think he would appear more reasonable and loving in most people's eyes, if he had given his followers in new orleans the same kind of inside information that he had given to noah,

Lovebucket;

Thank you for your sensible post.

In attempt to answer your 'doubts' about God's goodness, please notice a few things.

1. Not too bright of us humans to build in New Orleans, eh? Levees were needed to keep flood waters out, and the mightiest river in the entire US, the Mississippi, empties right into New Orleans.

2. There was ample warning.

3. I believe the levees were purposed destroyed and had nothing to do with nature. That was man's evil nature, not the lack of God intervening. Therefore, the damage and lives lost were much worse than would have been otherwise.

God has never said we wouldn't have problems in life. We will. But He has always said He would be there for us in our problems. I have found that to be true in my life.

It's very late here and I'm tired. I'll think some more on this.

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3. I believe the levees were purposed destroyed and had nothing to do with nature.

By Box-cutter wielding Arabs? They obviously missed their flights on 9/11 and had to do something.

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Originally Posted by kerux

3. I believe the levees were purposed destroyed and had nothing to do with nature.

By Box-cutter wielding Arabs? They obviously missed their flights on 9/11 and had to do something.

You know, after seeing Men In Black, I can't discount these conspiracy theories...

Maybe it was David Duke who took a chisel to the levee, causing it's collapse (it was the concrete wall on top of the levee that orignally gave way, 2 blocks from my friend's house).

I have to agree with Kerux that everyone could plainly see a huge hurricane coming directly for NOLA and a lot of people didn't do anything about it. It's a 'lesson learned'. But with so much illiteracy in NOLA, they couldn't see the writing on the wall. Hopefully they will next time...

Originally Posted by kerux

But He has always said He would be there for us in our problems

as long as they are little ones. drowning is not a problem. gotcha.

Originally Posted by lovebucket

But what was God doing while a hurricane laid waste to their city? Surely he heard the prayers of those elderly men and women who fled the rising waters for the safety of their attics, only to be slowly drowned there. These were people of faith. These were good men and women who had prayed throughout their lives. Only the atheist has the courage to admit the obvious: These poor people died talking to an imaginary friend.

i hope someone more reliable is there for me, matey. thank you for your answer. i understand now why you were reluctant to give it.

Man is appointed once to be born and once to die.

The rain falls on the just as well as the unjust.

Just a little food for thought from the Good Book.

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Originally Posted by kerux

3. I believe the levees were purposed destroyed and had nothing to do with nature.

By Box-cutter wielding Arabs? They obviously missed their flights on 9/11 and had to do something.

Locals, Officials Suggest Levees were Intentionally Blown

Evidence suggests there were "cracks" in levees that were intentionally ignored, questions over how they failed.


Could the levees in New Orleans have been INTENTIONALLY blown out in order to provide the justification for total FEMA federal takeover?
The locals certainly seem to think so, yet, as usual, the mainstream media is barely picking up on this wave of opinion, so it is left to us once again to bring the issue into the open.

Katrina hit early on Monday 29th August, the levees broke in three places - along the Industrial Canal, the 17th Street Canal, and the London Street Canal. (Click here for a Map )

The main storm surge from Hurricane Katrina washed into Lake Pontchartrain at around 7AM on August 29th when the counterclockwise motion of Katrina was pushing water from the Gulf of Mexico into the lake.

Some are questioning the timeline of the levee failures, suggesting that there was a 21 hour discrepancy between the storm surge and the collapse of the levees . This is not the case. The first levee broke just a few hours after the hurricane hit on the same morning.

Locals believe Levees were Intentionally blown

2005

DAVID MUIR, ABC NEWS: This is the actual levee that runs along the canal on the eastern side of the city. And when the hurricane hit, the water came through at such force, it was apparently too much. You can see the massive breach here, and when you look around the corner you can see what the water did to the Lower Ninth Ward. It completely destroyed neighborhoods.

JOE EDWARDS, JR., 9TH WARD RESIDENT: I heard something go BOOM!

MUIR: Joe Edwards rushed to get himself and as many neighbors as possible into his truck. They drove to this bridge, where they've been living ever since

EDWARDS: My house broke in half. My mother's house just disintegrated. It was a brick house. All the houses down there floated down the street like somebody's guiding 'em.

MUIR: Was it solely the water that broke the levee, or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did? Joe Edwards says neither. People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods like the French Quarter.

MUIR: So you're convinced . . .

EDWARDS: I know this happened!

MUIR: . . . they broke the levee on purpose?

EDWARDS: They blew it!



New Orleans Levees Were Blown In 1927 - Were They Blown in 2005?

You'd think by now, afer my being right about 9/11, that you'd at least do some checking before you go blabbin' your mouth.

Originally Posted by kerux

out of context

Exactly the same bullshit defence here on TD as he used on ajarn. It's almost word for word.

Originally Posted by kerux

My all time favorite cartoon character is Wile E. Coyote.

Originally Posted by kerux

although he gets his assed kicked time after time, he always gets up and stays in the fight.

He is a lot like you kerux. You never win an argument or debate but never give up. Some would call it perserverance, others would call it idiocy.

Originally Posted by kerux

Lovebucket; Thank you for your sensible post.

Originally Posted by kerux

What you're looking for sandpail is heaven. That comes in the sequel.

Originally Posted by kerux

Ah, little minds try so hard to deny reality

thank you kerux. nothing like a bit of name calling when you are under pressure. great debate. have fun with your new friends.

Originally Posted by kerux

You mean the question I asked sandpail to answer?

Where or at what point does the God you don't believe-in
start interfering with natural causes to prevent bad things from happening in the world?

Dry up the lakes so nobody drowns?

Speaking of lakes here's another example of where the Son of God intervened on mans bahalf:

Mark 4

35 And the same day, when the even was come, he saith unto them, Let us pass over unto the other side.

36 And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.

37 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full.

38 And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?

39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?

41 And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

Can we please have some recent interventions!

For example Lightning has struck Osama Bin Laden and George Bush at the same time.
Will write it in the New new Testament of the Book of Kerux 1

did all the people living on this earth (many years ago) believe that thunder and lighting came from the angry Gods or supernatural being?

"All the people?"

Abraham didn't. Neither did Lot. Or Noah. Neither did Methuselah. Or Joseph. Or Isaac. Or Jacob.

My body will be burned or eaten by worms, and my consciousness will cease to exist. My memory will live on in my friends and family, and perhaps in any lasting contributions I manage to make before I die.

That's enough for me.

And you base your beliefs on ...................?

Originally Posted by kerux

Rule #1 in Bible interpretation, look/study the passage in context.

Then why don't you follow your own rule, Kerux. As I remember on the Ajarn forum, you'd howl with indignation if anyone questioned the veracity or truthfulness of every word in the bible.

And isn't it you who believes the world was only created some 65 million years ago, all at once, in one go.

Doesn't that come from Genesis?