Bible 101

**Sir Burr** · 17-10-2006, 10:54 AM

Doesn't the bible say that the dead stay dead until judgement day? "when the sea shall give up her dead".
Heaven and Hell are empty until judgement day.

**kerux** · 17-10-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Welshman

Originally Posted by kerux

Rule #1 in Bible interpretation, look/study the passage in context.

Then why don't you follow your own rule, Kerux. As I remember on the Ajarn forum, you'd howl with indignation if anyone questioned the veracity or truthfulness of every word in the bible.

And isn't it you who believes the world was only created some 65 million years ago, all at once, in one go.

Doesn't that come from Genesis?

No, the Bible doesn't say the world was created some 65 million years ago.

As for the rest of your post, I have no idea what you're on about. You been smokin' something?

**Hootad Binky** · 17-10-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

My body will be burned or eaten by worms, and my consciousness will cease to exist. My memory will live on in my friends and family, and perhaps in any lasting contributions I manage to make before I die.

That's enough for me.

Don't forget your DNA!

**Sir Burr** · 17-10-2006, 11:42 AM

Kerux, are you going to comment on post #316? You're the bible expert.

**kingwilly** · 17-10-2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Welshman

And isn't it you who believes the world was only created some 65 million years ago, all at once, in one go.

Doesn't that come from Genesis?

actually i think you'll find its allegedly only 6,500 years in total! doesn't say it outright in bible - but can be calculated based on each of the individuals from Adam and Eve downwards!

**Thetyim** · 17-10-2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

My memory will live on in my friends and family, and perhaps in any lasting contributions I manage to make before I die.

Your posts on TeakDoor will live for eternity.

**Skulldigger** · 17-10-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

And you base your beliefs on ...................?

The belief that worms eat dead bodies (which is clearly observable by placing a dead body of something in the earth, waiting for a while and then digging it up again), and that nobody has managed to make a valid observation proving the existence of any otherworldly realms such as "heaven" or "hell" or the passing on of "souls" to new bodies, "ghosts" or anything along those lines.

Instead, several sects of various religions, including yours, have the stupidity to declare the final judgement will occur on this or that date, only to see that date pass them by.

**kerux** · 17-10-2006, 05:02 PM

Judgement will occur on judgement day, and not a day sooner.

**Sir Burr** · 17-10-2006, 05:23 PM

^^^
My question wasn't WHEN is judgement day. My question is, according to the bible, we stay dead until Judgement day, so, Heaven and Hell is presently empty.
Is that right? You're the one who knows the bible. Please answer the question.

**hillbilly** · 17-10-2006, 06:05 PM

I use to love the Jehova Witless people visiting my door.

Hillbilly: Can god make a rock so large that the rock can not be moved?
JW- Of course. (Usually in perfect harmony)
Hillbilly- Can Gawd move that rock?
JW- *moves quickly to the next trailer house*

**kerux** · 17-10-2006, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

^^^
My question wasn't WHEN is judgement day. My question is, according to the bible, we stay dead until Judgement day, so, Heaven and Hell is presently empty.
Is that right? You're the one who knows the bible. Please answer the question.

Luke 16:19-31 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

When unsaved souls die they go straight to that place commonly referred to as hell. You're thinking of the lake of fire, in which all those including Satan will be cast into afer the judgement and their name is not found written in the Book of Life.

Rev. 20:

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell F32 delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire .
no need to call names. Stroller

**Sir Burr** · 17-10-2006, 07:04 PM

^^^
Nope, I'm thinking of Judgement Day, which as far as I know, hasn't arrived yet.

From the bible, what happens on Judgement Day:-

The ground will give up the dead who sleep there in silence, and the souls of the dead will be released from the places where they have been kept. 33 God Most High will appear on his judgment seat.

According to the bible, we are all dead until Judgement Day, then we get sorted (the Bible uses a metaphor "like fish") into sinners and believers. We go to Heaven or Hell.
Therefore Heaven and Hell are empty, awaiting their respective residents on Judgement Day.

**kerux** · 17-10-2006, 08:15 PM

Okay, but I thought you asked what I thought and I quoted the Big Guy's Book and He disagrees with you.

The account in Luke shows that some people are still alive while there are some in 'torments." So this is before judgement day, but hey, what do I know?

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**RDN** · 17-10-2006, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

Okay, but I thought you asked what I thought and I quoted the Big Guy's Book and He disagrees with you.

The account in Luke shows that some people are still alive while there are some in 'torments." So this is before judgement day, but hey, what do I know?...

Apparently not much that stacks up.

**stroller** · 17-10-2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

We've had enough bible quotes...

You've had enough Bbile quotes?

And yet you clicked on a thread titled Bible 101?

That's like saying you've had enough beer and then calling the waitress over and ordering another pitcher of draft.

I'm a mod here, Kerux, I have to read your gibberish whether I like it or not.
And I don't like it.

I deleted 20 dross posts, and I only bothered with the last few pages...

Please note that Issues is for serious discussions, not to be confused with ajarn's soapbox.

Kerux, members and mods are getting tired of your drivel.
Shape up or find your posts moved to the "moronic kiddies corner".

**lovebucket** · 17-10-2006, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Kerux, members and mods are getting tired of your drivel. Shape up or find your posts moved to the "moronic kiddies corner"

he's not gonna like that one bit.
apparently i must spread some reputation around before i can give you some more.

**HermantheGerman** · 18-10-2006, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

did all the people living on this earth (many years ago) believe that thunder and lighting came from the angry Gods or supernatural being?

"All the people?"

Abraham didn't. Neither did Lot. Or Noah. Neither did Methuselah. Or Joseph. Or Isaac. Or Jacob.

I said many years ago!
Meaning: Before the clowns of the Old Testament and New Testament came and their superstitions.
Please don't forget that there are many people (nit noi people) who still and always will believe in Santa Clause (as long as they are nit noi......)

**RDN** · 18-10-2006, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by lovebucket

Originally Posted by stroller

Kerux, members and mods are getting tired of your drivel. Shape up or find your posts moved to the "moronic kiddies corner"

he's not gonna like that one bit.
apparently i must spread some reputation around before i can give you some more.

It's OK - I did it for you.

**kerux** · 18-10-2006, 05:06 AM

I'm a mod here, Kerux, I have to read your gibberish whether I like it or not. And I don't like it.

[Too bad

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I deleted 20 dross posts, and I only bothered with the last few pages...

Kerux, members and mods are getting tired of your drivel.
Shape up or find your posts moved to the "moronic kiddies corner".

I beg to differ and have the rep points to prove it, one giver even said 'don't let the bastards, [I guess he meant people like you], get to you."

Please explain dross and drivel.

And when you do, please be assured, even though I have never once notified a mod about a post, I will notify you about each and every single post that I feel falls into your definition of dross or drivel in this Issues forum, the "serious forum."

My guess is there is a double standard.

Kerux, members and mods are getting tired of your drivel.

The facts say otherwise:

Bible 101 was started on the 10th. Since then it has generated 2245 visits and 318 replies, respectively. Thats 224.5 visits and 31.8 replies per day, respectable stats and they fly in the face of your assertion.

One of the other threads I started just five days ago, 9/11 Unraveling, has 113/888 replies/visits respectively. That's 26.5 replies and 177 visits per day, and it's just getting started. I would challenge you to find any other poster, especially among those members who are getting "tired of my dross and drivel," to produce thread stats that even come close to those. May I suggest that it is they, not I, that produce the dross and drivel here? They remind me of moths who complain of the light, but can't stay away and complain too about the heat.

In short, these whiners are getting jealous, no, make that envious, not tired.

May I remind you that they don't need to be one of those who visit this thread and they certainly don't need to be one who replies, but I'm sure they do.

And by the way, if the owner of Teak Door would like me to leave, just say the word and I'm gone. I don't need this. You're fortunate I don't charge for my time spent here.

**keda** · 18-10-2006, 07:41 AM

How much would you charge, kerux, and would that be in baht or blessings for a brain in your next incarnation?

**keda** · 18-10-2006, 07:42 AM

Btw, am I still on ignore? 5 days already?

**RDN** · 18-10-2006, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

...Bible 101 was started on the 10th. Since then it has generated 2245 visits and 318 replies, respectively. Thats 224.5 visits and 31.8 replies per day...

One of the other threads I started just five days ago, 9/11 Unraveling, has 113/888 replies/visits respectively. That's 26.5 replies and 177 visits per day...

Have you ever thought about WHY people reply to your posts? Do you think it's because they AGREE with you?

Or is it because so many people simply cannot believe that an adult, educated, computer-savvy, English speaker can be so sadly out of touch with reality.

**Kidneystone** · 18-10-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

It's a bitch for the whiners when the facts don't square with their

I'm doing my part, I've got three of them on my Ignore List. Wish they would do the same.

What utter

Kerux, replies to your posts stating that people think what you say is "Gibberish" or that "members and mods are getting tired of your drivel" is hardly a sign of appreciation of your whit and charm, its more an indication that people think you are a prat with too much time on your hands and no abilities to utilizre that time in a useful manner.

Tell us why you do not carry out your christian evangelizing to the people around you, in Thailand that might have got you some brownie points with your imaginary god and also get you sacked from your job, but I suspect that where you are now it would get you much more; like about a ton of rocks dropped on your so empty noggin. Go on, do us all a favor and evangelise to the muslims about how wrong their belief in the Koran is and how they should be following the prophet jesus, see where that gets you!
You dont have the bottle nor the belief in heaven thats strong enough to do that so instead you choose to bore us all.

**Kidneystone** · 18-10-2006, 04:12 PM

typos left in above to allow you room to maneuver around having to answer the questions raised.

**lovebucket** · 18-10-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

I was called many of the same names I'm called here.

..and why do people call you names, d'ya think?

Originally Posted by kerux

We're getting closer every day to proving how much I knew about reality.

..you are making it sound like you are the only one.

Originally Posted by kerux

Were also getting, day by day, closer to another shocking fact of reality.

..and this is the point where most people distance themselves.

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