Thread: Bible 101

Originally Posted by kerux

If you learned you can't have sensible conversations with a fundie, why are you engaging me

you seem to be avoiding my question about weather control.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

^^^
You're right. Time to put him on ignore.

i already did - its a welcome change from pages of biblical quotes that say nothing and 17,000 smilies to make a point.

trouble is i keep thinking I wonder what he said this time, and therefore click the linkto view post............

kerux, how many of the gospel writers actually knew the person they were writing about, or even lived in his time? I refer of course to the accepted gospels, not those that have been banished into oblivion for not conforming to doctrine.

Oh yes, and please do get around to answering a question.

Originally Posted by lovebucket

An Atheist Manifesto

quote:

"Somewhere in the world a man has abducted a little girl. Soon he will rape, torture and kill her. If an atrocity of this kind is not occurring at precisely this moment, it will happen in a few hours, or days at most. Such is the confidence we can draw from the statistical laws that govern the lives of 6 billion human beings. The same statistics also suggest that this girl s parents believe at this very moment that an all-powerful and all-loving God is watching over them and their family. Are they right to believe this? Is it good that they believe this?

No.

Consider the destruction that Hurricane Katrina leveled on New Orleans. More than a thousand people died, tens of thousands lost all their earthly possessions, and nearly a million were displaced. It is safe to say that almost every person living in New Orleans at the moment Katrina struck believed in an omnipotent, omniscient and compassionate God. But what was God doing while a hurricane laid waste to their city? Surely he heard the prayers of those elderly men and women who fled the rising waters for the safety of their attics, only to be slowly drowned there. These were people of faith. These were good men and women who had prayed throughout their lives. Only the atheist has the courage to admit the obvious: These poor people died talking to an imaginary friend."

I remember that somewhere in the bible is a quote that goes something like: Rain falls on the just and unjust alike. i.e both christian and, er... others will suffer.


But if you want something to really screw with your beliefs, consider the 'secret' Masonic beliefs only available to it's most highest members... The God of the Old Testament is not the same as the God of the New Testament. The OT god was actually Satan, humans were created by this God(Satan) to serve himself. The snake in the garden of paradise was the NT God (God as we know it) who led men to truth (the apple).

But if you want to get really interesting look into Babylon, past and present.

Originally Posted by kerux

How is your position any different to the Jews who believe they are the chosen people?

We're not talking about chosen people, are we? The Jews can think anything they want, can't they?

The Jews rejected their Messiah, didn't they?

There is just one little problem.....
There is absolutely no proof that Jesus existed!

No coins, no statues or real literature.

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Deuteronomy 23:2
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation.

bb..bb..but Jesus was a bastard

Brave man you are, calling God's Son a bastard.

It's statements like this one that explain to me why there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in that non-air conditoned place.

Originally Posted by lovebucket

Originally Posted by kerux

If you learned you can't have sensible conversations with a fundie, why are you engaging me

you seem to be avoiding my question about weather control.

Waiting for you to tell me at what point should God intervene. Stop sprinkles from getting clothes hung out to dry by a hard working single mother with two kids from getting wet? Stop a shower from raining down on some in-love couple's outdoor wedding?

Originally Posted by kerux

Personally I have him on my ignore list, and only open one of his post now and then

Farkin' 'ell he's deep

Kerux, you seem to know your canonical gospels, but would you care to address the lost gospels, those that were discarded because they did not conform to orthodoxy or otherwise contained offerings which were uncomfortable if not pointedly menacing to Church Fathers? So why do you suppose the gospels of the Egyptians, the Hebrews, Hermes, James, Judas, Mary Magdalene, Peter, Philip, Thomas, and Truth, the infancy gospels, and so many others were scrupulously rejected by various Councils and other devious instruments of the Devil?

Whilst we're on the subject of Councils, is it true that the pagan goddess Eostre is alive and well and survives in the Christian ritual of Easter, and that the date for this celebration had and has nothing to do with the hoax that has slimed its way through the ages as the Resurrection, but was if truth is truly your mission, established by the Council of Nicea in 325 CE, and by majority view? In other words, somebody suggesed they mask the pagan event with their own, just as they disguised the Roman Saturnalia with Christmas.

Is it true that the Council of Constance, held over more than three years in the early 15th century, declared its power was derived directly from God, and that even the papacy was bound to obey its decisions? If so, how does this sit with the Vatican Council of 1870, which defined Papal Infallibility in matters of faith and moral, by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority?

Did doctrines of Scripture, Tradition, original sin, Christian marriage, and also indulgence originate in the 4 gospels you subscribe to, or from the Council of Trent, held some 1500 years after Christ gave up his mortal coil, again, on a proposal and subsequent show of hands?

Is Mary the mother of God? Was she at the time of his birth, or was it the Council of Ephesus that adorned her with such a ludicrous title?

Would you be outraged to learn that a Pope colluded with other religious leaders to resolve that it was not good for the sheeple to know about reincarnation, and wouldn't such a doctrine be no less than a suppression of the lessons of Christ himself? Ever heard of the Council of Constantinople?

How much rests upon dreams and visions of the insane, when a Papal Bull is issued to inform the faithful of the sin against God not to destroy heretics, and that any person discovered guilty of this crime would himself be suspected of heresy.

Speaking of Popes, who raised the money to built the Vatican, and how was this achieved? Don't bother googling, here's a clue: indulgences, by which even the most violent sin could be pardoned if the sinner paid according to the enormity of his crime, or according to whatever ready cash or goods could be prised for God's good works. If he had committed no crime and was even known to be faithful and of unimpeachable character, the collectors would simply remind him that others are not so righteous and that surely he has some loved one at this moment writhing in hell fire, with the clincher that he alone has the power to save that tormented soul from further suffering by purchasing in their behalf an Indulgence. Otherwise, those yet unpersuaded would be reminded what fate awaits them when they die, if they neglect to make this sacrifice. Oh, and for good measure, Indulgences were also available for crimes yet to be committed.


Go on, raise your flag.

Originally Posted by kerux

Brave man you are, calling God's Son a bastard.

So you say that Jesus was God's son .

Mary was Joseph's wife.
So God committed adultery.

Can't someone, somewhere, p-l-e-e-e-a-a-a-s-e find a copy of a bible that says something like this...

Thou art not a true believer unless thou shall jump off the top of a very tall tower without a parachute; and if thou shall survive the first drop thou shall repeat the entire procedure again, this time making sure you land on the concrete fat head first.

Originally Posted by kerux

Waiting for you to tell me at what point should God intervene

i don't believe in god, so i don't think something i don't believe in can intervene. this appears to have been the case in new orleans.
now, you do believe in god, you know, the one who had control over the water canopy, and the waters of the deep.... so answer the question.
..erm unless you can't of course.

Originally Posted by kerux

Stop a shower from raining down on some in-love couple's outdoor wedding?

stop his gullable followers from drowning?

Originally Posted by lovebucket

i don't believe in god, so i don't think something i don't believe in can intervene.

You don't get it do you? It doesn't matter what you believe.

What matters is the object of belief.

You may not believe the Sun exists, but that doesn't mean it doesn't.

Originally Posted by kerux

You don't get it do you? It doesn't matter what you believe.

What matters is the object of belief.

You may believe that Father Christmas exists, but that doesn't mean he does.

Exactly!

who is that Kerux? yourself? was one of teh above reason why you were banned over there?

While we are at it, how many of these have you been guilty of since you got here:"Racial, religious and gender slurs, off-topic remarks, wind-ups and inflammatory comments, false information" by my reckoning just about all of them! So in your own quoted words "action depends on the gravity and feedback, please report material you consider objectionable."

Originally Posted by kerux

Brave man you are, calling God's Son a bastard.

Why do you say brave ?

Jesus was a bastard, it cannot be denied.
Should I expect the wrath of God for telling the truth as it is written in his book ?

Originally Posted by kerux

Originally Posted by lovebucket

i don't believe in god, so i don't think something i don't believe in can intervene.

You don't get it do you? It doesn't matter what you believe.

What matters is the object of belief.

You may not believe the Sun exists, but that doesn't mean it doesn't.

When I was back there in seminary school
There was a person there
Who put forth the proposition
That you can petition the Lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
You cannot petition the lord with prayer!

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Holy Shit!

Originally Posted by kerux

bas‧tard  /ˈbæstərd/ 1.a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.

Here's the facts:

Joseph and Mary were 'betrothed' ie engaged to be married,
which in the Jewish culture in which the lived, was as good as being married.

So your statement if we use the definition above from dictionary.com as correct, is false.
Same is true if we use Widipediea's defintion.

Illegitimacy

Ilegitimacy was a term in common use for the condition of being born of parents who were not validly married to one another; the legal term was bastardy.

So you are admitting here, publically that joseph was indeed the father (sperm supplier) of jesus and not as you have been claiming recently that the father(sperrm giver/impregnator) of jesus is god, who was not bethrothed or married to mary.
I can understand why you do not like the use of dictionary definitions, as everytime you use them you make a complete clusterfuck of most of your previous arguments!!

Try again Mr K