Thread: Womens' Issues

Kidding aside ,how safe would it be to campaign to have the laws changed?

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

Originally Posted by Macha

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

You'll need the Bible for that one I think.

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

About 1400 years ago a woman came to the Phrophet Mohammed and said I betrayed my husband and I'am pregnat. Mohammed then orderd to treat this woman good until she gives birth, and after that to come back to him.
She gave birth and came to the Phrophet.....and got stoned to death.
Mohammed then prayed for her soul.

A lot of muslims think whatever Mohammed did is right to do for themselves.
Macha, I suppose you know better about all the things Mohammed did. Never mind if they were good or bad. The Sharia is based a lot on the things the Phrophet did. And that is what makes Islam (my opinion) so dangerous.


P.S. There are a few stories like this were the Phrophet orders someone to get stoned to death.

That there are no women rights in islam is nothing new. But you can even be put to death if you DEFEND womens right in an islamic country. How can the West ever live in peace with islamic countries? When they try to put to death or jail everyone that does'nt agree with their religious believes. A simple cartoon or a thing called blasphemy can get you killed nowadays.


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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

About 1400 years ago a woman came to the Phrophet Mohammed and said I betrayed my husband and I'am pregnat. Mohammed then orderd to treat this woman good until she gives birth, and after that to come back to him.
She gave birth and came to the Phrophet.....and got stoned to death.
Mohammed then prayed for her soul.

A lot of muslims think whatever Mohammed did is right to do for themselves.
Macha, I suppose you know better about all the things Mohammed did. Never mind if they were good or bad. The Sharia is based a lot on the things the Phrophet did. And that is what makes Islam (my opinion) so dangerous.


P.S. There are a few stories like this were the Phrophet orders someone to get stoned to death.

Nice story her-man.

Did you know that there is no such law as stonning to death in the Quran and Hadith??

Mohammad never enforced stonning.

Nice try.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Kidding aside ,how safe would it be to campaign to have the laws changed?

<stifled snigger!>

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

Does the Koran contain any mention of Jerusalem (Al Quds) as a Muslim holy place? How about the Sura, anything there?

In fact, is there any mention in any Islamic literature of Jerusalem being holy to the Muslims, before Caliph Umar took Jerusalem - years after Mohamed's death - saw that the city was sacred to the Jews and the Christians, and decided to get in on the act by declaring that Mohamad ascended to heaven from the Jews' holiest of holies, the Temple Mount?

That's ok, Macha, I don't expect a coherent answer.

keda

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

About 1400 years ago a woman came to the Phrophet Mohammed and said I betrayed my husband and I'am pregnat. Mohammed then orderd to treat this woman good until she gives birth, and after that to come back to him.
She gave birth and came to the Phrophet.....and got stoned to death.
Mohammed then prayed for her soul.

A lot of muslims think whatever Mohammed did is right to do for themselves.
Macha, I suppose you know better about all the things Mohammed did. Never mind if they were good or bad. The Sharia is based a lot on the things the Phrophet did. And that is what makes Islam (my opinion) so dangerous.

P.S. There are a few stories like this were the Phrophet orders someone to get stoned to death.

Herman:

Are you saying that Macha's authoritative statement, quote: There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!, is bullshit?

keda

Originally Posted by keda

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

About 1400 years ago a woman came to the Phrophet Mohammed and said I betrayed my husband and I'am pregnat. Mohammed then orderd to treat this woman good until she gives birth, and after that to come back to him.
She gave birth and came to the Phrophet.....and got stoned to death.
Mohammed then prayed for her soul.

A lot of muslims think whatever Mohammed did is right to do for themselves.
Macha, I suppose you know better about all the things Mohammed did. Never mind if they were good or bad. The Sharia is based a lot on the things the Phrophet did. And that is what makes Islam (my opinion) so dangerous.

P.S. There are a few stories like this were the Phrophet orders someone to get stoned to death.

Herman:

Are you saying that Macha's authoritative statement, quote: There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!, is bullshit?

keda

He's trying!!! I bet he can't come up with any such thing from any Islamic website that defines the Sharia law.

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[quote=Whiteshiva;171500]

Originally Posted by keda

Is there in fact any holy book that mentions Jerusalem as the holy city to its religion?

Would you dispute Christian or Jewish claims to Jerusalem as a holy city?

keda

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

About 1400 years ago a woman came to the Phrophet Mohammed and said I betrayed my husband and I'am pregnat. Mohammed then orderd to treat this woman good until she gives birth, and after that to come back to him.
She gave birth and came to the Phrophet.....and got stoned to death.
Mohammed then prayed for her soul.

A lot of muslims think whatever Mohammed did is right to do for themselves.
Macha, I suppose you know better about all the things Mohammed did. Never mind if they were good or bad. The Sharia is based a lot on the things the Phrophet did. And that is what makes Islam (my opinion) so dangerous.


P.S. There are a few stories like this were the Phrophet orders someone to get stoned to death.

Nice story her-man.

Did you know that there is no such law as stonning to death in the Quran and Hadith??

Mohammad never enforced stonning.

Nice try.

Nice try M..ohammed..HZ
Do you want to bet a beer (Heineken) that there is?
I'am tired of finding verses that you guys never find or belief.
Remember that most Muslims can't read or write! I hope you are not one of them, or else I might as well talk to BUTTfly.

Originally Posted by keda

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

About 1400 years ago a woman came to the Phrophet Mohammed and said I betrayed my husband and I'am pregnat. Mohammed then orderd to treat this woman good until she gives birth, and after that to come back to him.
She gave birth and came to the Phrophet.....and got stoned to death.
Mohammed then prayed for her soul.

A lot of muslims think whatever Mohammed did is right to do for themselves.
Macha, I suppose you know better about all the things Mohammed did. Never mind if they were good or bad. The Sharia is based a lot on the things the Phrophet did. And that is what makes Islam (my opinion) so dangerous.

P.S. There are a few stories like this were the Phrophet orders someone to get stoned to death.

Herman:

Are you saying that Macha's authoritative statement, quote: There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!, is bullshit?

keda

YES!

Sahih Bukhari is a great Hadith

There are many muslim countries who love to throw rocks.
Nigeria (Africa), Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia are just a few. Where do you think that they got this great idea of throwing rocks at people ( O.K. lets be fair.... the Christians used to play with fire). Those little Headbangers just never stopped to play MVP Pitcher of the Year.

[QUOTE=keda;171714]

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by keda

Is there in fact any holy book that mentions Jerusalem as the holy city to its religion?

Would you dispute Christian or Jewish claims to Jerusalem as a holy city?

Of course not, I just questioned if the claim comes from their respective books or not. I know it has historical and cultural meaning to these faiths, and that Jerusalem is often referred to as the holy city, but it is actually stated in the Bible or the Torah as such? I seem to remember Jesus muttering something like "my kingdom is not of this world" or something to that effect.

Please correct me if I am wrong - I am genuinely curious about this.

Deny away, but I reckon secretly you know that several significant Jewish and Christian events took place in and around Jerusalem, which gives it credible claim as a holy city to these people. According to known scripts, that is.

Nothing of note happened in Jerusalem pertaining to Mohammed or Islam, before Caliph Umar decided to attribute that location to the Prophet's ascendancy. Unless of course, you believe the meeting of Abraham, Jesus and Mohammed, if indeed you believe such an absurdity, occured in Jerusalem?

keda

Originally Posted by Her-Man the Germ

Nice try M..ohammed..HZ

My username is Mhz,Her-Man.

Originally Posted by Her-Man the Germ

Do you want to bet a beer (Heineken) that there is?

I dont drink.

Bring me a single verse from any Islamic Web site that says stonning is allowed. Now get it clear bring it from a Islamic web site not any foked up exiled Iranians or anti-muslim web sites with a linky.

Originally Posted by Her-Man the Germ

I'am tired of finding verses that you guys never find or belief.

Well dont bring verses from anti-muslim web sites. If I start copying stuff from anti-Christians or Anti-jewish websites i will get tired as well.

Originally Posted by Her-Man the Germ

Remember that most Muslims can't read or write! I hope you are not one of them, or else I might as well talk to BUTTfly.

Remember I told you that the Quran is translated into many languages??

I can read and write and to tell you the truth it is nothing to be so proud of. you can read and write but what good are you ??

Originally Posted by Mhz

I dont drink.

Is it that you don't drink beer or what. I'm pretty sure your uncle macha said he was worried about you drinking whiskey so much.

I was lying Eliminator.

I drink and I eat bacon.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Major Ensign Mary from Michigan gets some practice time in. Mary is a B-52 student pilot with the 3rd Amazon Barn Brigade. When not attending drills, Mary is a professional shopper. Job well done Major-Ensign.

What are you trying to say BM?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Macha

I'm not in favour of changing the whole Islamic laws. I'm only against some laws such as stonning to death.

There's no mention of stonning to death in the Quran or Hadith!!!!!

About 1400 years ago a woman came to the Phrophet Mohammed and said I betrayed my husband and I'am pregnat. Mohammed then orderd to treat this woman good until she gives birth, and after that to come back to him.
She gave birth and came to the Phrophet.....and got stoned to death.
Mohammed then prayed for her soul.

A lot of muslims think whatever Mohammed did is right to do for themselves.
Macha, I suppose you know better about all the things Mohammed did. Never mind if they were good or bad. The Sharia is based a lot on the things the Phrophet did. And that is what makes Islam (my opinion) so dangerous.


P.S. There are a few stories like this were the Phrophet orders someone to get stoned to death.

Nice story her-man.

Did you know that there is no such law as stonning to death in the Quran and Hadith??

Mohammad never enforced stonning.

Nice try.

Nice try M..ohammed..HZ
Do you want to bet a beer (Heineken) that there is?
I'am tired of finding verses that you guys never find or belief.
Remember that most Muslims can't read or write! I hope you are not one of them, or else I might as well talk to BUTTfly.

Cut the crap out mate. Post the link from any Islamic website (not anti Islamic website).

Originally Posted by keda

Deny away

I am not denying anything - you asked if the Quran mentioned Jerusalem as a holy place, and I simply asked if the Torah or the Bible does.

Keep in mind that Muslims, Christians and Jews worship the same deity, and that to Muslims, Jesus was one of the prophets. Hence they can equally well lay a claim to Jerusalem as a "holy city", even though the Quran does not (I believe) mention it. My question - yes question, not a statement - was whether the other two religions scriptures specifically mention Jerusalem as a holy place. I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. If anyone can prove me wrong, all the better.

Why this makes you feel so threatened, is beyond me.....

Originally Posted by keda

Deny away, but I reckon secretly you know that several significant Jewish and Christian events took place in and around Jerusalem, which gives it credible claim as a holy city to these people. According to known scripts, that is.

Nothing of note happened in Jerusalem pertaining to Mohammed or Islam, before Caliph Umar decided to attribute that location to the Prophet's ascendancy. Unless of course, you believe the meeting of Abraham, Jesus and Mohammed, if indeed you believe such an absurdity, occured in Jerusalem?

keda

Keda I bet you didn't even care to do a lil bit of google before posting. There are many reasons that Muslims consider that city as one of their holy sites.

For Muslims, Jerusalem is the third most holy site in Islam. The name of Jerusalem derived from its original Jebusite name Ur-Salem or Urishalim. For Muslims the name suggests "peace" and corresponds closely to the Muslim concept of the sacred; a place where peace reigns and conflicts is excluded.
Going back to Jerusalem's history we find that it marked more by conflict than by peace. Hadrian destroyed the city, replacing it by a Roman creation from which Jews were banned.
Then the Sassanids came and laid it waste. Under the Islamic era, Jerusalem enjoyed 13 years of peace until the Seljuk Turks came between 1070 and 1090 AC, in addition to the Crusader Kingdom between 1099 and 1187AC. All that led to a sort of chaos and it brought a constant conflict between the conquerors in the city.
So the question that comes is how did Jerusalem become important in Islam, and to Muslims? Jerusalem was in the middle of Trade routes. Most of the merchants used to pass from there heading towards Asia Minor and the west. Not to forget Arabs from Mecca too. Islam holds a great estimation as the location of many vents associated with the life of Jesus. From that day, Jerusalem has had a very important spiritual meaning for Muslims, not only being the first Qibla but also the mystical experience of the prophet's ascendance to heaven. Jerusalem tried to be focused by Muslim Pilgrimage, but the significance of Jerusalem thereafter declined in favor of Mecca and Medina.
When Saladdin recaptured the city from the Crusaders, Jerusalem regained once again its glory, where Christians were guaranteed rights of worship, Muslim places of worship which had been desecrated were restored, even a small Jewish community returned to the city, and Jewish culture has seldom flourished as they did under Muslim rule, that's how the spiritual significance of Jerusalem has been absorbed by all three religions.
Muslims on the other hand have an obligation to honor other religions. There is recognition, a respect for both Judaism and Christianity as people of the book, mentioned in the holy Quran. I guess it would be a pity for Jerusalem, the supposed city of peace, were to be transformed into a city of war as a result of Israeli plans, which ignore its significance for Muslims.