Thread: FOX "news"

Originally Posted by chitown

No job, no benefits, hands held out for money.

A bunch of able bodied men and women being lazy.

I have no problems with a person that is unable to work receiving government benefits.

I have a problem with a women claiming she is depressed and getting 1500 bucks a month to lay around and watch soaps on a 52' television.

I have a problem with baby makers getting $500 for each bundle of joy they squeeze out causing them to set a goal of having eight.

I have a problem with gross generalisations and unsubtantiated claims.

Originally Posted by chitown

I live off my investments and the sale of my businesses.

so you don't work ? live off from the income ? sounds like a royal to me, typical conservative, not working, living off capital

^ Are you as dumb as you sound?

So a person has to work 40 hours a week for 40 years to fit your mold? I feel sorry for you and the life you have ahead of you.

I made enough money working very hard in a short time and also invested and reinvested so I could retire early.I made money when I sold my businesses that I sunk a lot of time and money into building. I also invested in rental properties, rehabbing and buying and selling apartment buildings.

A little advice for your future - Invest in 10 rental properties and pay them off in 10 years instead of giving the bank thousands of dollars in interest over a 30 year mortgage.

10 properties x $1000 a month in rents minus any expenses is a far better monthly salary than any company will probably pay.

The money you make combined with the free time you have by not trading hours for dollars is awesome.

in summary,

fat bastard retired at 40 who live off capital = lazy + inefficient + burden for society

hard working individual for 40 hours a week = contribute to GDP growth + efficiency + asset to society

Originally Posted by chitown

The money you make combined with the free time you have by not trading hours for dollars is awesome.

if that doesn't spell laziness, then I don't know what does.

Work is our purpose, nothing else.

I retired on the money I made (and some yet to collect) at 43. I collect no welfare or pension benefits from anywhere, I am entirely self funded. I achieved this working in 'socialist' countries that have state healthcare systems, specifically Australia, Hong Kong, and the UK. Short while in the US too.

So apparently, I'm still a libbie. Fine, just don't call me a Republican.

The US health care system has proved to be a shambles- what don't you get Chi, as a self professed businessman, about a system that costs 80 - 150% more than all other industrialised countries (sole exception- Switzerland, a mere 50% more), but still leaves a significant portion of it's population uncovered, and can bankrupt otherwise productive people for the crime of catching diabetes? Is this what you call value, or a triumph of the private sector? Reform is desperately needed- it is sending the US broke.

I don't like welfare dependency either, and I despise welfare fraud. I like fair opportunities for employment, and a fair minimum wage. And a social welfare net, paid for from tax revenues. So I'm a Socialist then.

You don't know anyone that agrees with a womans 'right to choose'- well that amazes me, really. I hardly know anyone that doesn't, including amongst my American friends.

Healthcare companies in the US are making out like bandits, they are frauds, scams, yet legal.

Not surprised the conservatives love them, they can relate to that as they are frauds themselves.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by chitown

The money you make combined with the free time you have by not trading hours for dollars is awesome.

if that doesn't spell laziness, then I don't know what does.

Work is our purpose, nothing else.

You poor frog. I feel sorry for you.

so we have a conservative lecturing us about hard work, weekly hours, and entitlement

and what he does in reality is sit on his fat ass all day, doing fuck all, and cash-in cheques from his tenants.

if that doesn't spell irony, then I don't know what does

Originally Posted by Butterfly

so we have a conservative lecturing us about hard work, weekly hours, and entitlement

and what he does in reality is sit on his fat ass all day, doing fuck all, and cash-in cheques from his tenants.

if that doesn't spell irony, then I don't know what does

If it was not for entrepreneurs, there would be plenty of unemployed people in the world, no??? I put my ass on the live financially and worked 90 hours a week for years. I did my time in the trenches more than you 32 hour a week frogs do in a life time. Yeah a real purpose you have - eating cheese, drinking wine, skipping showers, chasing lady boys and working a couple of hours a day when you can break away from Teak Door. Yep!!! That is a life full of purpose!

Once you dish out a freebie, you can't take it away without a riot on your hands. Personally I would rather forgo the Social Security and keep the money for my own retirement.

The ugly truth is that the government is disorganized and hitorically unsuccessful with these sort of programs.

Social Security? Doomed for bankruptcy.

Welfare - abused and mismanaged.

Postal Sevice? 3 billion in the red.

Section 8? Late on checks, management problems and used and abused.

Medicaid - over budget

Cash for Clunkers - red tape beyond belief.

The US governent? In the red and getting deeper in debt all the time.

State government? California bankrupt with 10 more on the edge and many more headed that way.

City government? I know several cities that are a years behind on paying their electric bill for street lights. Many more owe vendors for months and months. I know of others that can't aford the salt to melt the snow for this winter.

State unemployment? Rife with fraud and most are on the verge of bankruptcy.

US Military? How many stories have you heard of supply paying $10,000 for a bolt or a toilet seat?

The IRS? Self explanatory. The tax law is absolutely impossible for the average Dick and Jane to comprehend.

The list goes on and on and on and on.

If I, as a businessman conducted my businesses in the manner that the government does, I would have been bankrupt and out of business in a New York minute. I would have lost all my customers.

The problem is that the government's customers are forced into being loyal. We are forced to pay for below standard services that we really do not want.

If any of you disagree then you are showing your level of stupid!!!

Yet strangely, the Scandinavian 'socialist' countries function just fine.
Their streets are cleaner, their cities nicer, their public transport more efficient.
They live longer, yet pay less for healthcare, and their power grid is reliable.

If the failure is government in the US, perhaps it needs to be made more accountable to the people that pay for it. Then again, private sector Utilities in the US such as the energy grid and a lot of public transport infrastructure are horribly bad.

I have never had a problem with Com Ed (energy company in Chicago) nor the phone company.

Would you agree with my post Sabang?

I think the difference in the US and the Scandinavian socialist countries is that they tax at a very much higher rate than the US.

"Denmark has the highest income tax rate, with its top-taxed citizens paying 68% of their hard-earned crowns."

Sweden is 59% and Norway is 47%.

Iceland is a Scandinavian country and they went bankrupt though, right?

Originally Posted by sabang

You don't know anyone that agrees with a womans 'right to choose'- well that amazes me, really. I hardly know anyone that doesn't, including amongst my American friends.

true.

Originally Posted by chitown

I have yet to meet a women that has had an abortion that is not crazier than a retired Patpong bar girl.

of the women you 'meet', how do you know which have had abortions? does it just 'come up' in conversation?

admit it...you're just making things up again.

Originally Posted by chitown

Would you agree with my post Sabang?

I agree that the US government should be doing a much better job for the US people, who's money they are spending.
Such things as the Pentagon/ Defence budget and the enormous waste therein, the ridiculous money spent on military contractors on 'no bid' or 'cost plus' contracts is just obscene.
The education system is bad too- although Obama appears to be tackling this.
Health care costs can be contained (they are currently spiralling), and progressively brought down as a percentage of GDP. That will be a money saver for the business sector and individuals.

Many things.

Originally Posted by chitown

"Denmark has the highest income tax rate, with its top-taxed citizens paying 68% of their hard-earned crowns."

It used to be like that in the good old days.
2010 the 'Top Tax will be approx 55 percent ( as I read it) + offcourse our very generous VAT (25 percent)
Synopsis - overblik over juraen
(danish,Sorry)

Originally Posted by chitown

Iceland is a Scandinavian country and they went bankrupt though, right?

Just to be pedantic. No

Nordic , Yes

They have gone Social Democratic now, Though

Originally Posted by chitown

How many stories have you heard of supply paying $10,000 for a bolt or a toilet seat?

that's the commissions in disguise, usually for your republican representatives who love the military so much. The toilet seat is a clin d'oeil to their after hours activities if you get my drift

Originally Posted by Butterfly

in summary,

fat bastard retired at 40 who live off capital = lazy + inefficient + burden for society

hard working individual for 40 hours a week = contribute to GDP growth + efficiency + asset to society

Poor Buttfly. A little man who constantly grumbles about anyone who worked hard, used their brains and made it by the time they were 40. Poor little boy! You think these ambitious folks quit contributing to life when they retire? You are bitter! Welfare check late again this month?

I think my Cdn fed tax rate is about 42% (I'm lucky to have lots of write-offs), then I have provincial, then local. Then we have something like 13% sales tax. The grunts who slog away everyday are the ones who never get ahead, coz most taxes are progressive.

Not defending Chitown, he doesn't need me to do so, but at least he has his own viewpoints on a range of issues that are not strictly in line with neo-con dogma. I disagree with many of his thoughts, but at least he puts them forward in a rational manner.

I'd rather have a debate with Chitown any day than someone like BM or Jet.

Originally Posted by panama hat

he puts them forward in a rational manner.

really?

Originally Posted by chitown

They (democrats)look to undermine the core values that a majority of the citizens want

Originally Posted by chitown

the murdering of unborn children.

Originally Posted by chitown

Promising one thing and having another agenda is the MO of the Dems.

Originally Posted by chitown

I have a problem with a women claiming she is depressed and getting 1500 bucks a month to lay around and watch soaps on a 52' television.

Originally Posted by chitown

The Dems are trying to change the country into more of a socialist country, like Europe.

I'd disagree. Not only on the term 'socialist' as no country in Europe is a socialist one and I very much doubt the Democrats want to turn the US into anything socialist. Social democratic maybe, or even social.

They want the government to gave more control, more money and be a more of a business than their intended purpose.

I have always found this argument to be an interesting one. Governments are here to govern, lay the laws and general ground rules. When these ground rules are not met then the government steps in. I find the US system to be a terribly bastardised political system where democracy is vociferously espoused, wars waged for . . . but the outcome = politics, despised.

They look to undermine the core values that a majority of the citizens want and hey are out of touch with the thoughts, desires, and concerns of the majority of US citizens.

I'd disagree here. The majority of the population voted for the people in power, be it in the Senate, Congress or the Presidency. I don't think Obama and his merry men have included or altered in a major way any of the platforms they ran on. I'd be happily corrected on this statement.

I do not know one person that wants a government controlled health care.

I do, even from here.

I do not know one person that wants gay marriages.

I do, even in Chicago

I have yet to meet one person that is for welfare.

There are many, and they're not the kind of people that Jet keeps vomiting on about. What I do not like, and I agree with you on this as you elaborate further on in this thread, that welfare-abuse needs to be kept in check. I really don't see the problem of supporting someone for a period of time who has lost his job due to plant closures and the like. Why throw these people into an abyss that makes it more difficult, mentally and practically, for them to jump up and get gainful employment again.

I do not know one single person that wants the illegals to keep streaming in the into the US with no accountability.

True. The US immigration issue is a real one and needs to be addressed . . . but let's not forget that the US depends on these illegal workers for their daily bredad . . . literally. So, is it just a matter of demand and supply/supply and demand?

I do not know one person that is for bigger government or a more intrusive government.

That is what a democratic process is for. Governement balooned under Republican auspices and no big fuss was made about this in the party itself.

Heck, I do not know one person that supports the murdering of unborn children.

Obviously many do . . . and abortion is a hotly contested issue . . . but I would rather see controlled abortions under safe medical measures than women having to have abortions in back alleys done by quacks and unqualified people

So why do the Dems push their agendas? They are truly ultra left and look to please a sliver of society that agrees with them.

The majority voted for them

So, yes . . . I disagree with most everything Chitown wrote . . . but he has his opinion and we should not put him down for it. I'd rather have ten chitowns discussing an issue than one jjjjjjjjjjjjj or bbbbmmmmm

back to fox "news"...

it seems that they just can't stop lying.



the announcer is talking about the "huge" crowds for palin's book tour....but the video is from last year's campaign.


"these are some of the pictures just coming in"

tsk, tsk, tsk.

i'm beginning to wonder if it's a contest between fox and palin to see who can tell more lies.