Thread: Quagmire....

Originally Posted by surasak

I've been a lifelong Republican but I don't always vote the party favorite if I deem someone else to be a better choice. The problem in 2000/2004 is the alternative choices were worse. Such is the sad pathetic state of American politics.

Been a lifelong Republican myself ... but I voted for Clinton his second term in 1996.

In 2000/2004 the Republican choice was just too good to go against the grain.

^That's kind of my point. Had the Democrats not self-destructed during the Clinton years perhaps a better candidate would have come along.

The fact that Bush was the best choice of either party is disturbing and to me, as a Republican, disappointing.

Originally Posted by Ice Maiden

Surasak, who are you then? Give me a brief intro if you can be arsed.

Well, if you are interested in my politics, read this:

https://teakdoor.com/issues/5830-is-i...tml?post154811

In other news, I'm an American wanting to immigrate to Thailand. I'm actually not a teacher. Computers have been my lifelong hobby and right now I'm in business for myself. I do want to go to Thailand and open a computer shop, or, if that's not the case get into owning a bar/restaurant or perhaps providing services to other foreigners. I originally found this site due to the volumous knowledge here about house construction and found many of the posters far too interesting to merely just chat about houses.

Originally Posted by surasak

found many of the posters far too interesting to merely just chat about houses.

Islamofascist appeasment is always so much more interesting than boring old houses! LOL

Hardly, I happen to think the way we are going about all this is wrong.

Nobody ever suggested appeasement except you.

ol' rummy is trying to serve up the 'appeasement' red herring as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/30/wa...=1&oref=slogin

what i found interesting about this article is that admin. officials have been forced to resort to only speaking in front of military audiences. within the last few days......

rummy----american legion and VFW conventions
cheney -----VFW convention and also at an air force base
rice --------american legion aux.

and later this week bush is also going to be speaking at veterans.

once they lose retired military, they've got no one.

rove has also realized that if those guys and their wives stay home on election day, investigations will follow.

american kids are dying in iraq because...

In 2005, the CEOs of the largest 15 oil companies averaged $32.7 million in compensation

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aJqpyEwim0Fw

And, chances are, due to our invasion in Iraq, there's some extremists right now somewhere in the world waiting to whack some Yanks.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

One of my cousins graduated from the Air Force Acadamy .

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

I have friends who have a son at West Point

but again that's not the question.....isn't the US military fighting the terrorists in iraq so that they don't come to america?

as an ex-military man with keen perspective on geo-political events, don't you feel a sense of obligation to tell these kids how honorable it would to enlist? how it is their duty 'ensure our freedoms'?

Originally Posted by raycarey

as an ex-military man with keen perspective on geo-political events, don't you feel a sense of obligation to tell these kids how honorable it would to enlist? how it is their duty 'ensure our freedoms'?

As a TELFer who's going for Troll of the Week Award, don't you personally think appeasment will sooner or later bite you in your shriveled little buttocks?

i reject the concept that conditions exist which would necessitate anything close to 'appeasement'.

the US fucked up by invading iraq. admit it and get out.
the US should end its unconditional support of israel.
the US should remove all troops from saudi arabia.

this is not appeasement. it's admitting past mistakes.

please stop thinking about my buttocks.

Boy, this one about made me piss my pants:

“These terrorists have made it clear they want us to leave Iraq prematurely, and why is it?” he asked. “Because they want a safe haven. They’d love to get ahold of oil. They have territorial ambitions. ...

Looking in the mirror are we?

U.S. unpopularity seen as necessary price
Still, Bush acknowledged that the war effort — along with other policies that have bucked international sentiments or treaties — had cost the United States on the world stage. But he insisted that it was wrong to equate criticism of his administration with opposition to American principles and ideals.

Until you came into office the U.S. had a decent reputation.

Bush: Anger over war won't change policy - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

Hey ray ... surasak could never tell me where the troops are in Saudi Arabia ... maybe you can ?

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Hey ray ... surasak could never tell me where the troops are in Saudi Arabia ... maybe you can ?

A wild guess - Pince Sultan Air Force Base and Taif Air Force Base?

Originally Posted by raycarey

1. the US fucked up by invading iraq. admit it and get out.
2. the US should end its unconditional support of israel.
3. the US should remove all troops from saudi arabia.

1. The US fucked up by no invading sooner.
2. The US should bomb anbody who doesn't support Israel.
3. What military troops are in Saudi Arabia ?

You must have been reading Noam Chomsky bullshit to have made this post.

Improving Security in Baghdad

By Mark Noonan

This will depress spirits over at DailyKos and the Democratic National Committee:

There has been a dramatic drop in violence in areas of the capital where house-to-house searches have been conducted, the officials say. An Iraqi general has told the BBC he believed the securing of Baghdad was now not so far away.
But he also called on the Iraqi government to persuade militias to give up their weapons.
The Americans and the Iraqi government have put thousands of extra troops on the streets to wage this battle against insurgents, sectarian forces, and what they openly call death squads and violent criminals.
In the present phase of the operation they are working their way through the districts most prone to violence, cordoning them, searching house-to-house for illegally held weapons and preparing to hand over these areas to the police.

Meanwhile, 500 Iraqis have just joined the police in Anbar province - which we don't hear too much about these days, and that indicates a sharp drop in violence in that area, too.

What if the left held a surrender, and America refused to show up?

This one made me spit my coffee all over my monitor:

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

U.S. military leaders in Baghdad have put out for bid a two-year, $20 million public relations contract that calls for extensive monitoring of U.S. and Middle Eastern media in an effort to promote more positive coverage of news from Iraq.

Things are not going well so now we must resort to sanitizing the news and cooking up fake 'positive' stories?

Is the war just going so bad that the President has to keep spending time and money to defend it?

A just cause and a just war would need no such defense.

Bush campaigns against Iraq war criticism - Yahoo! News

Yeah, Iraq is so safe now: the 'security operation' is failure as well:

roadside bomb exploded in Baghdad's oldest and largest wholesale market district, killing at least 24 people and wounding 35, part of a surge in bloodshed Wednesday that left 52 dead, authorities said.

Earlier, an explosives-rigged bicycle blew up near an army recruiting center in a city south of Baghdad, killing at least 12 people.

Violence across Iraq has spiked in recent days, with more than 200 people killed since Sunday in clashes, bombings or shootings — despite U.S. and Iraqi officials' claims that a new security operation in the capital has lowered Sunni-Shiite killings there, which had risen in June and July.

Iraq 4-Day Death Toll Climbs To 200, Senior Commander Calls Violence Surge 'A Statement' - CBS News

Linking success in Iraq with the future safety of America, President Bush said Wednesday that withdrawing U.S. troops too quickly would lead to a terrorist state more dangerous than Afghanistan in the grip of the repressive Taliban regime.

If the United States leaves Iraq prematurely, Bush said, it would embolden an enemy that wants to harm Americans and shred U.S. credibility internationally.

Harm credibility? Leaving would create a terrorist state?

Dear Mr. President: your actions have ALREADY destroyed U.S. credibility and have MADE Iraq into what it is today. You are a miserable failure and your policy has made the U.S. more at risk, not safer.

ABC News: Bush Links U.S. Safety to Iraq Success

Killed in Iraq - baltimoresun.com

As of yesterday, more than 2600 families have no sons thanks to Bush. Pretty soon we'll exceed the death toll of the WTC. And yet the world is less safe for Americans now than it was in 9-11.

South Korea to pull 650 troops from Iraq - Yahoo! News

South Korea pulling troops out. Quagmire anyone?

This is how America spreads democracy: (graphic images)

BBC NEWS | In Pictures | In pictures: Iraq blasts

Hope you leave soon, Rummy, don't let the door slam you in your bigoted ass (otherwise known as the First Rule of National Socialism: paint the opposition as weak and unpatriotic.)

"I wish somebody in the Bush administration would actually read a history book," Leahy said. "This was pretty stupid, to suggest, as this administration does over and over again, that if people question what they're doing, then somehow we're unpatriotic."

Burlington Free Press.com | Local/Vermont

A year to 18 months?

Yes, they will all stop fighting and start giving each other roses.



Can he give me this week's Powerball numbers too?

they just keep on lying.....

President Bush and his surrogates are launching a new campaign intended to rebuild support for the war in Iraq by accusing the opposition of aiming to appease terrorists and cut off funding for troops on the battlefield

>>>>snip<<<

Bush said last week that Democrats are promising voters to block additional money for continuing the war. Vice President Cheney this week said critics "claim retreat from Iraq would satisfy the appetite of the terrorists and get them to leave us alone." And Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, citing passivity toward Nazi Germany before World War II, said that "many have still not learned history's lessons" and "believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased."

Pressed to support these allegations, the White House yesterday could cite no major Democrat who has proposed cutting off funds or suggested that withdrawing from Iraq would persuade terrorists to leave Americans alone.

WP: Bush team casts foes as defeatist - washingtonpost.com Highlights - MSNBC.com

Pitiful.

I will be so glad for the gang to be outed in 2008. Only two more years of this crap.

Bush is the Jimmy Carter of Republicans.

Originally Posted by surasak

I will be so glad for the gang to be outed

holy shit, they're gay?

Originally Posted by surasak

And, chances are, due to our invasion in Iraq, there's some extremists right now somewhere in the world waiting to whack some Yanks.

Au contraire. These Islamofascists kill people at random for no identifiable reason. Spain has withdrawn from Iraq, yet they still have faced terrorist threats. Indonesia is the largest Islamic country in the world, yet Bali was bombed. Many of the victums of the Iraqui suicide bombers are Muslims and often members of the same sect as the killers. There is no pattern to Islamic murder other than pleasure.

Spain = targeted due to support of Iraq war.
Britain = targeted due to support of Iraq war.
America = targeted due to support of Iraq war.
Indonesia wasn't the target in Bali...Aussie tourists were the target (again another supporter of the Iraq invasion).

I bet you dollars to bones that Americans are less safe now than when GWB took office.

Xing xing zhi huo ke yi liao yuan...(it only takes a spark to burn the entire lot)

Even though they killed those people at those locations they really weren't the targets at all ... people like you and the pinko sumpathizers are the target.

The terroirists are smart ... they know/knew they had to start chopping at the weakest link in the psyche of countries like the USA, UK and AUS.