Thread: Example of terrorist "courage" ?

[quote=Storekeeper]

Originally Posted by Covertjay

Hitler also didn't have to worry about a country or military full of Catholics, Pentecostals, Jews, Atheists, Scientologists, Wiggans, Crips, Bloods, Hells Angels, gays, Puerto Ricans, Guamanians, Baptists, Sean Penns.

Sounds like 1933 to me except for the gangs, latinos and Sean Penn.

Who says fascism HAS to be racist, Mussolini had an all inclusive form until Hitler insisted he kick out some Jews and reign in the Papal Press.

Remember he invented fascism in the 20s.

I can think of 2 points straight away, but to be fair, the onus is on you to be more specific which events and legislation indicate a development towards fascism, also a definition rather than a list of indicators would come handy.

If I was to take the comments by a number of conservy-yanks in various fora, I would agree, but we need something a bit more 'objective'.

I suggest to open a new topic if soeone wants to pursue this.

Originally Posted by stroller

I suggest to open a new topic if soeone wants to pursue this.

Good idea.
Perhaps we can get JohnL to contribute to the thread as he's got the most objective handle on the subject?

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Why do you think I was talking about the US? I was referring to the definition of tyrrany (as in Fascism). Amazing that you (of all people) should see that as an attack on the US......

But since you brought it up - are there any of the 14 points above where you woudl say the US in NOT slowly slipping towards tyrrany?

Do we ever talk to each other about anything else ?

I don't think any of your indicated 14 points are anything but generalizations. I read them about 3 times and think they're all bullshit liberal fearmongering.

Originally Posted by stroller

I can think of 2 points straight away, but to be fair, the onus is on you to be more specific which events and legislation indicate a development towards fascism, also a definition rather than a list of indicators would come handy.

In political science fascism is notoriously hard to define (due to the subtle blending of state and industrial power), but here's a go..................

Fascism is associated by many scholars with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definition

Far-fetched????

Originally Posted by Covertjay

Originally Posted by stroller

I can think of 2 points straight away, but to be fair, the onus is on you to be more specific which events and legislation indicate a development towards fascism, also a definition rather than a list of indicators would come handy.

In political science fascism is notoriously hard to define (due to the subtle blending of state and industrial power), but here's a go..................

Fascism is associated by many scholars with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definition

Far-fetched????

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Basically gives examples of how the US has been sliding towards fasicm during the Bush administration and the "war on terror". Howeever, I think several, perhaps even all, 14 points are becoming more and more visible in Thai politics over the last few years as well.

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by Covertjay

Originally Posted by stroller

I can think of 2 points straight away, but to be fair, the onus is on you to be more specific which events and legislation indicate a development towards fascism, also a definition rather than a list of indicators would come handy.

In political science fascism is notoriously hard to define (due to the subtle blending of state and industrial power), but here's a go..................

Fascism is associated by many scholars with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definition

Far-fetched????

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Basically gives examples of how the US has been sliding towards fasicm during the Bush administration and the "war on terror".

Ridiculous. You can't have fascism period in a system with free elections. Yes, George Bush won fair and square. You can't have fascism with people like Ted kennedy and Joh Murtha in office. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to openly tell the lies they spread. America doesn't believe they are the superior nation ... and never will as long as England and Australia are around to remind of their superior intellect.

The most likely candidates are the people who accuse others of being fascists: misfit expats who will never have they power they sstrongly wish they had.

No way Bush is Fascist ... he'd love to let all the Mixicans have green cards ... Fascist are racist and loathe open immigration issues. Here are some others likely to turn to Fascism: drug users, rootless people, skinheads, and anti-semites.

^ oh yeah, LOL. Do you have more like these in "store" ?

I heard many fascism supporters are recruited from present and former servicemen, they're used to following orders, don't question authority and are easily swayed to turn against "the enemy" in form of minorities or other races and religions.

Originally Posted by stroller

I heard many fascism supporters are recruited from present and former servicemen, they're used to following orders, don't question authority and are easily swayed to turn against "the enemy" in form of minorities or other races and religions.

If anything the military is guilty of any type of brainwashing it would be too much political correctness in the areas of:

1. Multiculturalism
2. Racial diversity
3. Affirmative action

Like it or not ... believe it or not, most of the problems in society are in the civilian sector. We can correct many of the problems but not all. Some just have to back where they came from with their defects. The military isn't infallible but it's better than anything you in particluar have to offer.

^ interesting comments. So civilians are defective, while the military are perfect ? you need to leave your basement, there is a world out there, outside your ship.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ interesting comments. So civilians are defective, while the military are perfect ? you need to leave your basement, there is a world out there, outside your ship.

It does seem that many civilians who aren't prior military seem to be kinda like side-stepping sandcrabs. Not all ... but many.